Oil pipeline, this topic is about oil pipeline.  Not every gas or oil job.  All those jobs lost are 100% are involved in THIS PROJECT that was canceled.  This XO does not cancel oil jobs across America... I hope they do offer those benefits for those that need, but its not like those states will never be able to benefit from renewed infrastructure or green energy.  North Dakota needs solar as much as Kentucky.

You're correct.  And people moved or quite their old jobs to take pipeline jobs.

Also, people in local towns hired employees for food service, garages to repair vehicles, barbers, retail ... everyone who supports the workers on the pipeline also benefit from the worker's income.  Is the gov't going to give them free college to retrain because their business had to close when the pipeline no longer generated customers?

This thread is about BIDEN, not the pipeline.  Stop being obtuse and ignorant.  Biden has already said he's planning to get rid of the fossil fuel industry.  How is this NOT talking about every gas and oil job across the country?

If you think solar is green, you really are ignorant.  It takes fossil fuels to gather the raw materials, to manufacture them, to ship them from China, and to transport them across the country.  If you can't understand how all that fuel is offsetting any reduction in carbon emissions from "green energy", then you're not thinking critically -- if at all.

You're correct.  And people moved or quite their old jobs to take pipeline jobs.

Also, people in local towns hired employees for food service, garages to repair vehicles, barbers, retail ... everyone who supports the workers on the pipeline also benefit from the worker's income.  Is the gov't going to give them free college to retrain because their business had to close when the pipeline no longer generated customers?

This thread is about BIDEN, not the pipeline.  Stop being obtuse and ignorant.  Biden has already said he's planning to get rid of the fossil fuel industry.  How is this NOT talking about every gas and oil job across the country?

If you think solar is green, you really are ignorant.  It takes fossil fuels to gather the raw materials, to manufacture them, to ship them from China, and to transport them across the country.  If you can't understand how all that fuel is offsetting any reduction in carbon emissions from "green energy", then you're not thinking critically -- if at all.

nothing GREEN here


I don't agree with Mr. Moore b ut he's got some good points

and what happens when there is no wind or sunlight?
Besides would you want this in your backyard? Imagine how those homeowners feel every morning.

this is a simple explanation why we argue and tear each other apart with issues like "climate change" "global warming" "coming ice age"


certain people make loads of money from all this turmoil they create
i.e. "non" profits suddenly become beneficiaries of "grants" and donation from concerned corporation and individuals.

Think about that the next time someone asks money for their cause. Are they really doing something for their "cause"?

S/He can shovel manure.  Years of experience.   

Maybe s/he can learn "construction", since there are going to be "MILLIONS OF OTHER CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS" to hire onto.  I'm sure s/he's got the physical qualifications needed and would welcome working outdoors in the Hawaii weather.   

it was working out at "kakaako gym" 5 days a week before covid, remember?

and what happens when there is no wind or sunlight?
Besides would you want this in your backyard? Imagine how those homeowners feel every morning.

Solar farms, and I have no issue with that in my backyard.  I would put my own if I owned enough land and could go off grid. If you have no wind or solar, you have batteries or can turn on gas generators.  But hopefully most of the time you are on green energy.

You have no empathy for those homeowners in Kahuku. Everything in your justification is based on your small perception of things.

Did you do the math for the storage capacity of being off grid? Cost? Life expectancy of the specific batt tech you will buy? What if there is a long period of rain? My avg electricity consumption is 9kwh a day. These past days of rain my PV only produced 24 kwh during the day. I have no storage but if I had that's already a 3kwh deficit.
A Tesla Powerwall 1 stated a capacity of about 6kwh and I got a quote for $12k. I;m not sure if that;s 6kwh of usable energy because lithium batteries don't like to be discharged to less than 30%. So I'd really need at least 2 Powerwalls. To top it off PV panels degrade anywhere from 10-20 years. I have no plan at this time to address that lifecycle.
Other factors are your location to estimate how much sunshine your home will receive. If your home doesn't support panels facing the south your PV efficiency is significantly reduced.

So solar is that perpetual energy solution as all these "greeners" claim?

Has biden left the WH recently?

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and what happens when there is no wind or sunlight?
Besides would you want this in your backyard? Imagine how those homeowners feel every morning.

As energy storage systems are improved and built, no wind and no sunlight become less of an issue, plus they can always be supplemented when necessary with oil powered sources.

And I would prefer a wind turbine in my back yard to an oil drill, a refinery, or oil powered electrical plant.

I posted that biden started an initiative to ban private prisons from contracts.  No response other than regular trolling.  So I assumed everyone was against that too.  Anything Biden "undos" must be bad tier.

Rather a large non sequitur fallacy there. Just because no one praised the idea doesn't mean they are against it.

As energy storage systems are improved and built, no wind and no sunlight become less of an issue, plus they can always be supplemented when necessary with oil powered sources.

And I would prefer a wind turbine in my back yard to an oil drill, a refinery, or oil powered electrical plant.

Where do you live now? We can't drill for oil here in Hawaii and there's only one refinery now located in a Campbell INDUSTRIAL Park. Less than 30% of our power in Hawaii comes from petroleum. So moot point there as it is highly unlikely you will live near a petrol plant.
https://www.eia.gov/state/analysis.php?sid=HI
And that's the irony there; supposedly "green" energy solutions (with all those concrete foundations) supplemented with carbon fuel sources.
With that said, wonder why we have one of the nation's highest per kwh rate?

The people that LIVE THERE NOW have some valid points
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/10/14/protesters-gather-attempt-block-kahuku-wind-farm-construction/

But there’s a pending court appeal, and opponents also have several concerns, including the impact the turbines may have on the Kahuku community and on wildlife, such as the Hawaiian hoary bat.
“We are not here to protest green energy. We want green energy. We’re just here to say we don’t need anymore monstrosities in our backyard,” said project opponent Malia Alatasi.

Feel free to come up with other options on your own.

I can't do ALL the heavy lifting!   

Really? You are the originator of the idea for people to earn citizenship through military service? Bravo!

Rather a large non sequitur fallacy there. Just because no one praised the idea doesn't mean they are against it.

That's true.  My bad.

Where do you live now? We can't drill for oil here in Hawaii and there's only one refinery now located in a Campbell INDUSTRIAL Park. Less than 30% of our power in Hawaii comes from petroleum. So moot point there as it is highly unlikely you will live near a petrol plant.
https://www.eia.gov/state/analysis.php?sid=HI
And that's the irony there; supposedly "green" energy solutions (with all those concrete foundations) supplemented with carbon fuel sources.
With that said, wonder why we have one of the nation's highest per kwh rate?

The people that LIVE THERE NOW have some valid points
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/10/14/protesters-gather-attempt-block-kahuku-wind-farm-construction/

But there’s a pending court appeal, and opponents also have several concerns, including the impact the turbines may have on the Kahuku community and on wildlife, such as the Hawaiian hoary bat.
“We are not here to protest green energy. We want green energy. We’re just here to say we don’t need anymore monstrosities in our backyard,” said project opponent Malia Alatasi.

Do you have a plan for energy independence, green energy, etc?  Or do you just want to hate all alternatives without providing any of your own and keep going down the same path.   Solar and wind are not perfect buts its a good direction and will have more benefits in the long run. Also in the long run are those concrete pilings going to produce more waste than bringing oil/gas the whole time?

That's true.  My bad.

adults say, "i was wrong"

as you can see folks some people are driven by feelings and are too lazy to do the analysis about the alternatives. I've adopted PV, have a hybrid and commute ala electric bike. but yet the pissant douche head accuses me of the opposite. Folks. It's a lot of work to be "green". Are you willing to put up with it? People tease me about my hybrid car and the like. WIll you give up your ICE vehicle? Will you minimize your ego and go "green"? Give up your truck. Give up your fast car.? I also recycle cans and harvest lithium batts from old electronics. Is it worth it? Nope.  Along with "upcycling" stuff Lots of work.

Hey omni did you adopt any of those "green" energy resources ? Solar, wind, electric vehicles? Recycle rainwater? Compost?

as you can see folks some people are driven by feelings and are too lazy to do the analysis about the alternatives. I've adopted PV, have a hybrid and commute ala electric bike. but yet the pissant douche head accuses me of the opposite. Folks. It's a lot of work to be "green". Are you willing to put up with it? People tease me about my hybrid car and the like. WIll you give up your ICE vehicle? Will you minimize your ego and go "green"? Give up your truck. Give up your fast car.? I also recycle cans and harvest lithium batts from old electronics. Is it worth it? Nope.  Along with "upcycling" stuff Lots of work.

Hey omni did you adopt any of those "green" energy resources ? Solar, wind, electric vehicles? Recycle rainwater? Compost?

A bike is made in a factory that uses some sort of oil product and has a waste product.  So foot mobile barefoot is the only green way.  Even shoes are made in factories.

So Biden halts oil permits. Estimate 1 million jobs lost by next year.  But hey, it's OK these 1 million people can find something else to do.