***Official What Biden will undo thread*** (Read 66400 times)

omnigun

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« Reply #300 on: February 03, 2021, 09:44:31 AM »
I support advancement into green tech, but i do not support cutting off oil until it is a viable substitute. This is what the left and people like them want.

Reduce oil things and force green tech that isnt as green as they think it is. Even got people who say "im ok with paying more at the pump" and not realize that cost will trickle down more than they realize.

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So you value your pocketbook more than the environment?

changemyoil66

Re: ***Official What Biden will undo thread***
« Reply #301 on: February 03, 2021, 09:48:54 AM »
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Flapp_Jackson

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« Reply #302 on: February 03, 2021, 10:07:56 AM »
So you value your pocketbook more than the environment?

Not everyone has the funds to afford green renewable products like you.

Oh, wait .....


If you watch the PragerU video I posted, you;'ll learn that without taxpayer subsidies, the green energy sector would cease to exist.  Nobody wanted a Prius at $40K, but tax subsidies made them affordable.  So, people who didn't buy a Prius paid so the ones who did buy could afford them.

Is that really the model we want for innovation?  Government deciding who to support and which businesses to leave to live or die on their own?

If we let private business and innovators do what they have always done, the best products will eventually make it to market.  Tipping the scale in favor of their less-viable competitors only hurts the green effort.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

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« Reply #303 on: February 03, 2021, 10:18:40 AM »
Not everyone has the funds to afford green renewable products like you.

Oh, wait .....


If you watch the PragerU video I posted, you;'ll learn that without taxpayer subsidies, the green energy sector would cease to exist.  Nobody wanted a Prius at $40K, but tax subsidies made them affordable.  So, people who didn't buy a Prius paid so the ones who did buy could afford them.

Is that really the model we want for innovation?  Government deciding who to support and which businesses to leave to live or die on their own?

If we let private business and innovators do what they have always done, the best products will eventually make it to market.  Tipping the scale in favor of their less-viable competitors only hurts the green effort.
Generally speaking incentives also slow development as there is no need to create a low cost self sustaining green tech product when it is being artificially subsidized by the government. We will still get there eventually. But generally it will take longer the more government interferes in the natural development process of products. The model we currently have for offering incentives is not sustainable.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

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« Reply #304 on: February 03, 2021, 10:27:05 AM »
Generally speaking incentives also slow development as there is no need to create a low cost self sustaining green tech product when it is being artificially subsidized by the government. We will still get there eventually. But generally it will take longer the more government interferes in the natural development process of products. The model we currently have for offering incentives is not sustainable.

That's the operational and R&D side of the equation.

On the financial side, when the gov't decides to prop up a company or sector, guess where the investors move their capital?  That's the capital that was meant to support the real innovators and companies with visionaries who can solve the problems.  Instead, the companies that are "political favorites" get the tax subsidies AND the investment capital.

Just another way in which, as you said, government interference in the market slows natural development.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Inspector

SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Flapp_Jackson

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« Reply #306 on: February 03, 2021, 10:32:27 AM »
American Energy Independence at Risk With Biden Orders, Experts Say

https://www.theepochtimes.com/bidens-stance-on-energy-will-gut-production-and-economy-experts-say_3680476.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=mb-2021-02-03

Follow the experts.
Take the experts' advice.
Experts should be revered and their opinions made into policy.

Or, is that only when Trump's in charge?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

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« Reply #307 on: February 03, 2021, 10:50:13 AM »
Not everyone has the funds to afford green renewable products like you.

Oh, wait .....


If you watch the PragerU video I posted, you;'ll learn that without taxpayer subsidies, the green energy sector would cease to exist.  Nobody wanted a Prius at $40K, but tax subsidies made them affordable.  So, people who didn't buy a Prius paid so the ones who did buy could afford them.

Is that really the model we want for innovation?  Government deciding who to support and which businesses to leave to live or die on their own?

If we let private business and innovators do what they have always done, the best products will eventually make it to market.  Tipping the scale in favor of their less-viable competitors only hurts the green effort.

This sums it up, but I would say with exception of Tesla.  Elon made owning an electric car cool and badass.  $90,000+ for the good ones.

omnigun

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« Reply #308 on: February 03, 2021, 10:56:19 AM »
Not everyone has the funds to afford green renewable products like you.

Oh, wait .....


If you watch the PragerU video I posted, you;'ll learn that without taxpayer subsidies, the green energy sector would cease to exist.  Nobody wanted a Prius at $40K, but tax subsidies made them affordable.  So, people who didn't buy a Prius paid so the ones who did buy could afford them.

Is that really the model we want for innovation?  Government deciding who to support and which businesses to leave to live or die on their own?

If we let private business and innovators do what they have always done, the best products will eventually make it to market.  Tipping the scale in favor of their less-viable competitors only hurts the green effort.

Generally speaking incentives also slow development as there is no need to create a low cost self sustaining green tech product when it is being artificially subsidized by the government. We will still get there eventually. But generally it will take longer the more government interferes in the natural development process of products. The model we currently have for offering incentives is not sustainable.


Don't have much funds but I will still sacrifice what I can for the future.  If that means I have to drive less or walk more or consume less, so be it.

So you fully support cancelling all oil subsides?  We spend many billions on them.  Should let them all live and die on their own. 

Flapp_Jackson

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« Reply #309 on: February 03, 2021, 10:58:37 AM »
This sums it up, but I would say with exception of Tesla.  Elon made owning an electric car cool and badass.  $90,000+ for the good ones.

That's an exception in that it thrived in spite of other car makers getting the electric car subsidies.  Had the owner not been as rich, the company would have folded before the first car sold.

Musk made the car the rest of us should be wanting.  If he'd had gov't backing and subsidies, maybe we could all be driving Teslas now.  Instead of $90k, maybe they would have been the price range of a big SUV -- the very vehicle you'd want off the road to "save the planet".
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

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« Reply #310 on: February 03, 2021, 11:01:52 AM »


Don't have much funds but I will still sacrifice what I can for the future.  If that means I have to drive less or walk more or consume less, so be it.

So you fully support cancelling all oil subsides?  We spend many billions on them.  Should let them all live and die on their own.

Oil subsidies exist for a reason.  We have a military and many gov't agencies that can't function if they can't buy/afford gas and oil.  Those subsidies were meant to keep the industry stable so our vital transportation and defense capabilities aren't threatened by foreign oil producers.

This is a major reason why energy independence was such a key accomplish for Trump.  Too bad Biden is signing XOs to destroy that.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

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« Reply #311 on: February 03, 2021, 11:04:42 AM »
Oil subsidies exist for a reason.  We have a military and many gov't agencies that can't function if they can't buy/afford gas and oil.  Those subsidies were meant to keep the industry stable so our vital transportation and defense capabilities aren't threatened by foreign oil producers.

This is a major reason why energy independence was such a key accomplish for Trump.  Too bad Biden is signing XOs to destroy that.

And that doesn't apply to green tech? 

Green energy is also energy independent.

I say good, sight more XO's and convert all federal vehicles including postal to electric.  More efficient military vehicles too.  Revamp everything. Then we won't need oil so bad. 

Flapp_Jackson

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« Reply #312 on: February 03, 2021, 11:07:15 AM »
And that doesn't apply to green tech? 

Green energy is also energy independent.

I say good, sight more XO's and convert all federal vehicles including postal to electric.  More efficient military vehicles too.  Revamp everything. Then we won't need oil so bad.

What green tech?  You throw that around like it means something.

How many green tanks and aircraft have you seen?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

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« Reply #313 on: February 03, 2021, 11:10:43 AM »
What green tech?  You throw that around like it means something.

How many green tanks and aircraft have you seen?
Greta's vision. . .

Easy for the young and those naive to the reality of the world to throw stuff out there and expect others to make it happen.  I've been involved in the "making it happen" for many years, so call me jaded, but it's  ::)

omnigun

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« Reply #314 on: February 03, 2021, 11:28:11 AM »
What green tech?  You throw that around like it means something.

How many green tanks and aircraft have you seen?

That's why I said more fuel efficient military not electric.  I realize we are not there yet.   But any more "mpg" will only benefit the military. 

Green tech is alternative energy used or gathered rather than fossil fuels. 

changemyoil66

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« Reply #315 on: February 03, 2021, 12:02:10 PM »
What green tech?  You throw that around like it means something.

How many green tanks and aircraft have you seen?

Solar powered flesh light. oops flash light.

macsak

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« Reply #316 on: February 03, 2021, 12:10:35 PM »
And that doesn't apply to green tech? 

Green energy is also energy independent.

I say good, sight more XO's and convert all federal vehicles including postal to electric.  More efficient military vehicles too.  Revamp everything. Then we won't need oil so bad.

please back up that statement
for example, how is solar energy "energy independent", when rare earth metals need to be mined and transported to make the batteries and panels and boards/modules, which then need to be transported and installed

macsak

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« Reply #317 on: February 03, 2021, 12:11:34 PM »
So you value your pocketbook more than the environment?

please show me where he said that

omnigun

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« Reply #318 on: February 03, 2021, 12:16:08 PM »
please show me where he said that

Even got people who say "im ok with paying more at the pump" and not realize that cost will trickle down more than they realize.

drck1000

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« Reply #319 on: February 03, 2021, 12:23:20 PM »
please back up that statement
for example, how is solar energy "energy independent", when rare earth metals need to be mined and transported to make the batteries and panels and boards/modules, which then need to be transported and installed
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