I love the closing statements:  "These politicians need to be held accountable by the media, that's our job."

I'm glad some journalists have maintained that standard.

Typical MSM and Democrat party Propaganda.on fact checking and  Kameltoe worship. 
America doesn't make Solar panels, it assembles panels from cells made overseas.
The whole solar thing is a joke, as is wind.
Add to that Solar only makes sense in Hawaii because we have pretty much the most expensive
electricity costs in the world and can recover personally owned solar costs
and save for replacement panels and batteries cheaper than buying electricity
from the government protected/regulated utilities.

Typical MSM and Democrat party Propaganda.on fact checking and  Kameltoe worship. 
America doesn't make Solar panels, it assembles panels from cells made overseas.
The whole solar thing is a joke, as is wind.
Add to that Solar only makes sense in Hawaii because we have pretty much the most expensive
electricity costs in the world and can recover personally owned solar costs
and save for replacement panels and batteries cheaper than buying electricity
from the government protected/regulated utilities.

That, and Hawaii is one of the few places with dense populations that also have nearly year-round sunny days.  The more people in a concentrated area, the more solar farms make sense over individual home systems.

One of the reasons we can't cut emissions much with solar adoption is the power plants still have to produce power at night and during overcast days.  They also have to provide electricity to businesses that can't operate on the smaller amount of power generated by solar versus what the power plants provide, such as places that operate manufacturing machinery or massive water pumps.

Given that power plant generators that use fossil fuels can't be stopped and started at will, they have to run 24/7 even if the solar power generated is enough to take one offline in daylight.

Then there's the power grid.  HECO estimated they can handle power generated by solar homes and businesses up to about 20% of capacity.  After that, the transmission process can't absorb more electricity while keeping the required number of generators working, too.  Maybe a massive investment in the grid could change that, but then everyone who pays into the HECO kitty would have their rates increased substantially, and we already pay the most per kWH for electricity in the US.

BTW, If you noticed your power bills going down last year, you can thank Trump and the energy independence he provided the US with fracking and the XL pipeline.  When oil prices start to rise, which I guarantee is going to start immediately, our power bills will also rise due to our continued use of oil to generate electricity.

That, and Hawaii is one of the few places with dense populations that also have nearly year-round sunny days.  The more people in a concentrated area, the more solar farms make sense over individual home systems.

One of the reasons we can't cut emissions much with solar adoption is the power plants still have to produce power at night and during overcast days.  They also have to provide electricity to businesses that can't operate on the smaller amount of power generated by solar versus what the power plants provide, such as places that operate manufacturing machinery or massive water pumps.

Given that power plant generators that use fossil fuels can't be stopped and started at will, they have to run 24/7 even if the solar power generated is enough to take one offline in daylight.

Then there's the power grid.  HECO estimated they can handle power generated by solar homes and businesses up to about 20% of capacity.  After that, the transmission process can't absorb more electricity while keeping the required number of generators working, too.  Maybe a massive investment in the grid could change that, but then everyone who pays into the HECO kitty would have their rates increased substantially, and we already pay the most per kWH for electricity in the US.

BTW, If you noticed your power bills going down last year, you can thank Trump and the energy independence he provided the US with fracking and the XL pipeline.  When oil prices start to rise, which I guarantee is going to start immediately, our power bills will also rise due to our continued use of oil to generate electricity.

Wind,  harvest ocean waves.  Solar isn't the only option.  Store electricity gained in the day in batteries for the night.  Many options.  I would not mind paying more money for less environmental impact.  Hope Biden suspends all oil subsidies.

Wind,  harvest ocean waves.  Solar isn't the only option.  Store electricity gained in the day in batteries for the night.  Many options.  I would not mind paying more money for less environmental impact.  Hope Biden suspends all oil subsidies.

Really?

When are you going to start?  When someone else "funds" you?

 

Really?

When are you going to start?  When someone else "funds" you?

 

How about a hamster on a wheel?

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Really?

When are you going to start?  When someone else "funds" you?

 

Nope raise prices at the pump.  I will gladly pay myself.  Till I go electric.  A reasonable increase in electricity or tax,  wouldn't be off the table. Though I figure if we stop oil subsidies a tax increase isnt necessary.  We be saving many billions.

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Nope raise prices at the pump.  I will gladly pay myself.  Till I go electric.  A reasonable increase in electricity or tax, I wouldn't be off the table. Though I figure if we stop oil subsidies a tax increase isnt necessary.  We be saving many billions.

What else would you pay more for if oil prices increase?

Electricity (you mentioned)
Food
Retail goods
Cars
Taxes (Gov't has to pay for all this stuff, too)
Drugs
Services

Basically, everything you buy involves oil products to produce/provide or ship them to you. 

Trucking/shipping/air carrier costs get passed onto the customers.  As an island state, we are locked into shipping and air for good from producers, and trucking or barges for distributing those goods.  Are barges going to be forced to use sails?  Will Matson container trucks convert to electric?

The cost of fossil fuels to generate electricity in Hawaii will rise.  The use of oil for electricity will NOT go away soon (decades), no matter how many green projects are started.
Every business that pays an electric bill or needs gas to operate will raise YOUR prices.

So, not only will your DIRECT costs for electricity and fuel go up, but so will that cost you pay INDIRECTLY as all businesses must increase prices.

That's a minor lesson in how inflation works.  Go read about the 1970s and the gas shortage, where we experienced double-digit inflation, lines of cars waiting for gas, and 20%+ interest for consumer loans -- cars, motorcycles, mortgages, ...

But, HEY!  As long as YOU are willing to pay a "little more," so should everyone, right?

Everything made of plastics (like their precious iFag smartphones) requires petroleum.
The airheads always forget that, assuming they have a smattering of chemical knowledge.

Reminds me of the Emperor in Star wars as he gets ready to zap Luke.

That, and Hawaii is one of the few places with dense populations that also have nearly year-round sunny days.  The more people in a concentrated area, the more solar farms make sense over individual home systems.

One of the reasons we can't cut emissions much with solar adoption is the power plants still have to produce power at night and during overcast days.  They also have to provide electricity to businesses that can't operate on the smaller amount of power generated by solar versus what the power plants provide, such as places that operate manufacturing machinery or massive water pumps.

Given that power plant generators that use fossil fuels can't be stopped and started at will, they have to run 24/7 even if the solar power generated is enough to take one offline in daylight.

Then there's the power grid.  HECO estimated they can handle power generated by solar homes and businesses up to about 20% of capacity.  After that, the transmission process can't absorb more electricity while keeping the required number of generators working, too.  Maybe a massive investment in the grid could change that, but then everyone who pays into the HECO kitty would have their rates increased substantially, and we already pay the most per kWH for electricity in the US.

BTW, If you noticed your power bills going down last year, you can thank Trump and the energy independence he provided the US with fracking and the XL pipeline.  When oil prices start to rise, which I guarantee is going to start immediately, our power bills will also rise due to our continued use of oil to generate electricity.

I keep forgetting most guys here are urban guys and don't have the options I do
when it comes to solar.
What you say about power plants in general is correct.
What you leave out is the stupid Hawaii citizens ignore cheaper
ways of making electricity because they are Democrats.
As such they make decisions based on politics or beliefs
and not on facts and data on what is best for the people living here.
Screw the rest of the world,  I don't care about them.
I choose to live here, and expect things will get much harder
for those who continue to live here,  money wise.
While I will do what can do for my neighbors, and Ohana,
but the rest of the Democrat world, fuck em.

Wind,  harvest ocean waves.  Solar isn't the only option.  Store electricity gained in the day in batteries for the night.  Many options.  I would not mind paying more money for less environmental impact.  Hope Biden suspends all oil subsidies.

 

Nope raise prices at the pump.  I will gladly pay myself.  Till I go electric.  A reasonable increase in electricity or tax, I wouldn't be off the table. Though I figure if we stop oil subsidies a tax increase isnt necessary.  We be saving many billions.

You could always shove a tube up your arse and harness all the methane from the BS you spew and power your car. No need for gas!

What else would you pay more for if oil prices increase?

Electricity (you mentioned)
Food
Retail goods
Cars
Taxes (Gov't has to pay for all this stuff, too)
Drugs
Services

Basically, everything you buy involves oil products to produce/provide or ship them to you. 

Trucking/shipping/air carrier costs get passed onto the customers.  As an island state, we are locked into shipping and air for good from producers, and trucking or barges for distributing those goods.  Are barges going to be forced to use sails?  Will Matson container trucks convert to electric?

The cost of fossil fuels to generate electricity in Hawaii will rise.  The use of oil for electricity will NOT go away soon (decades), no matter how many green projects are started.
Every business that pays an electric bill or needs gas to operate will raise YOUR prices.

So, not only will your DIRECT costs for electricity and fuel go up, but so will that cost you pay INDIRECTLY as all businesses must increase prices.

That's a minor lesson in how inflation works.  Go read about the 1970s and the gas shortage, where we experienced double-digit inflation, lines of cars waiting for gas, and 20%+ interest for consumer loans -- cars, motorcycles, mortgages, ...

But, HEY!  As long as YOU are willing to pay a "little more," so should everyone, right?

Yup. Not saying all at once but start the process.  Worth the environment and my,  and my children's future. Good thing a majority are on the side I believe in.   

Basically remove oil subsidies. There's no reason why we should be subsidizing a lucrative business.  Second no more permits for oil.  Ban new fracking. And limit current. Then let the world slowly change.

Yup. Not saying all at once but start the process.  Worth the environment and my,  and my children's future. Good thing a majority are on the side I believe in.   

Basically remove oil subsidies. There's no reason why we should be subsidizing a lucrative business.  Second no more permits for oil.  Ban new franking. And limit current. Then let the world slowly change.

ban hot dogs?

What else would you pay more for if oil prices increase?

Electricity (you mentioned)
Food
Retail goods
Cars
Taxes (Gov't has to pay for all this stuff, too)
Drugs
Services

Basically, everything you buy involves oil products to produce/provide or ship them to you. 

Trucking/shipping/air carrier costs get passed onto the customers.  As an island state, we are locked into shipping and air for good from producers, and trucking or barges for distributing those goods.  Are barges going to be forced to use sails?  Will Matson container trucks convert to electric?

The cost of fossil fuels to generate electricity in Hawaii will rise.  The use of oil for electricity will NOT go away soon (decades), no matter how many green projects are started.
Every business that pays an electric bill or needs gas to operate will raise YOUR prices.

So, not only will your DIRECT costs for electricity and fuel go up, but so will that cost you pay INDIRECTLY as all businesses must increase prices.

That's a minor lesson in how inflation works.  Go read about the 1970s and the gas shortage, where we experienced double-digit inflation, lines of cars waiting for gas, and 20%+ interest for consumer loans -- cars, motorcycles, mortgages, ...

But, HEY!  As long as YOU are willing to pay a "little more," so should everyone, right?

Wait, so youre saying its just not at the pump increase? (Sarcasm)

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