could be in the climate or biden cancel thread... (Read 5398 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2021, 09:42:44 PM »
You could always shove a tube up your arse and harness all the methane from the BS you spew and power your car. No need for gas! :D

Methane is a green house gas!  He's killing the planet RIGHT NOW and getting no energy production from it.

What a ..... REPUBLICAN he is!!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Mdotweber

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2021, 10:06:19 PM »
EV clean cultists have no problem with pollution, they just don't want it in richer western countries. They have no problems with the inherent danger to the environment or even child/slave labor that is used to mine and process the materials needed for their batteries or paying for foreign oil or coal to charge their batteries while the are out and about or sleeping at nght.
"Dont forget, incoming fire has the right of way"-Clint Smith?

Rocky

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2021, 06:08:37 AM »
What "some folks" dont understand about their big green energy revolution solution is the life span and waste of wind and solarLife span for both at best is 25-30 years. 

      Solar panels produce TONS of Toxic Waste.Toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride.
Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic..
Another compound, Sulfur Hexafluoride 17,000 times more hazardous than carbon dioxide.
The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) in 2016 estimated there was about 250,000 metric tonnes of solar panel waste in the world at the end of that year. IRENA projected that this amount could reach 78 million metric tonnes by 2050. 

  While most of a turbine can be recycled or find a second life on another wind farm, researchers estimate the U.S. will have more than 720,000 tons of blade material to dispose of over the next 20 years, a figure that doesn't include newer, taller higher-capacity versions. Ninety percent of a turbine's parts can be recycled or sold, according to Van Vleet, but the blades, made of a tough but pliable mix of resin and fiberglass — similar to what spaceship parts are made from — are a different story.
     Decommissioned blades are also notoriously difficult and expensive to transport. They can be anywhere from 100 to 300 feet long and need to be cut up onsite before getting trucked away on specialized equipment — which costs money — to the landfill.  Cindy Langstrom manages the turbine blade disposal project for the municipal landfill in Casper, Wyo. Though her landfill is one of the only ones in the state — not to mention the entire U.S. — with enough space to take wind farm waste, she said the blades' durability initially posed a financial hurdle. 
      Manufacturing wind turbines is a resource-intensive process. A typical wind turbine contains more than 8,000 different components, many of which are made from steel, cast iron, and concrete. One such component are magnets made from neodymium and dysprosium, rare earth minerals mined almost exclusively in China, which controls 95 percent of the world’s supply of rare earth minerals.

     "As more factories sprang up, the banks grew higher, the lake grew larger and the stench and fumes grew more overwhelming.‘It turned into a mountain that towered over us,’ says Mr Su. ‘Anything we planted just withered, then our animals started to sicken and die.’People too began to suffer. Dalahai villagers say their teeth began to fall out, their hair turned white at unusually young ages, and they suffered from severe skin and respiratory diseases. Children were born with soft bones and cancer rates rocketed.Official studies carried out five years ago in Dalahai village confirmed there were unusually high rates of cancer along with high rates of osteoporosis and skin and respiratory diseases. The lake’s radiation levels are ten times higher than in the surrounding countryside, the studies found."

     Growth in the wind industry could raise demand for neodymium by as much as 700 percent over the next 25 years, while demand for dysprosium could increase by 2,600 percent, according to a recent MIT study.
Estimates of the exact amount of rare earth minerals in wind turbines vary, but in any case the numbers are staggering. According to the Bulletin of Atomic Sciences, a 2 megawatt (MW) wind turbine contains about 800 pounds of neodymium and 130 pounds of dysprosium. The MIT study cited above estimates that a 2 MW wind turbine contains about 752 pounds of rare earth minerals.To quantify this in terms of environmental damages, consider that mining one ton of rare earth minerals produces about one ton of radioactive waste, according to the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security. In 2012, the U.S. added a record 13,131 MW of wind generating capacity. That means that between 4.9 million pounds (using MIT’s estimate) and 6.1 million pounds (using the Bulletin of Atomic Science’s estimate) of rare earths were used in wind turbines installed in 2012. It also means that between 4.9 million and 6.1 million pounds of radioactive waste were created to make these wind turbines.

   I won't even get into the loss of land, land use and wild life from this "green energy" or the production and disposal of the battery's used to store it :grrr:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

macsak

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2021, 07:04:33 AM »
but but but but
look at all the jobs they create!

What "some folks" dont understand about their big green energy revolution solution is the life span and waste of wind and solarLife span for both at best is 25-30 years.

      Solar panels produce TONS of Toxic Waste.Toxic chemicals in solar panels include cadmium telluride, copper indium selenide, cadmium gallium (di)selenide, copper indium gallium (di)selenide, hexafluoroethane, lead, and polyvinyl fluoride.
Silicon tetrachloride, a byproduct of producing crystalline silicon, is also highly toxic..
Another compound, Sulfur Hexafluoride 17,000 times more hazardous than carbon dioxide.
The International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) in 2016 estimated there was about 250,000 metric tonnes of solar panel waste in the world at the end of that year. IRENA projected that this amount could reach 78 million metric tonnes by 2050. 

  While most of a turbine can be recycled or find a second life on another wind farm, researchers estimate the U.S. will have more than 720,000 tons of blade material to dispose of over the next 20 years, a figure that doesn't include newer, taller higher-capacity versions. Ninety percent of a turbine's parts can be recycled or sold, according to Van Vleet, but the blades, made of a tough but pliable mix of resin and fiberglass — similar to what spaceship parts are made from — are a different story.
     Decommissioned blades are also notoriously difficult and expensive to transport. They can be anywhere from 100 to 300 feet long and need to be cut up onsite before getting trucked away on specialized equipment — which costs money — to the landfill.  Cindy Langstrom manages the turbine blade disposal project for the municipal landfill in Casper, Wyo. Though her landfill is one of the only ones in the state — not to mention the entire U.S. — with enough space to take wind farm waste, she said the blades' durability initially posed a financial hurdle. 
      Manufacturing wind turbines is a resource-intensive process. A typical wind turbine contains more than 8,000 different components, many of which are made from steel, cast iron, and concrete. One such component are magnets made from neodymium and dysprosium, rare earth minerals mined almost exclusively in China, which controls 95 percent of the world’s supply of rare earth minerals.

     "As more factories sprang up, the banks grew higher, the lake grew larger and the stench and fumes grew more overwhelming.‘It turned into a mountain that towered over us,’ says Mr Su. ‘Anything we planted just withered, then our animals started to sicken and die.’People too began to suffer. Dalahai villagers say their teeth began to fall out, their hair turned white at unusually young ages, and they suffered from severe skin and respiratory diseases. Children were born with soft bones and cancer rates rocketed.Official studies carried out five years ago in Dalahai village confirmed there were unusually high rates of cancer along with high rates of osteoporosis and skin and respiratory diseases. The lake’s radiation levels are ten times higher than in the surrounding countryside, the studies found."

     Growth in the wind industry could raise demand for neodymium by as much as 700 percent over the next 25 years, while demand for dysprosium could increase by 2,600 percent, according to a recent MIT study.
Estimates of the exact amount of rare earth minerals in wind turbines vary, but in any case the numbers are staggering. According to the Bulletin of Atomic Sciences, a 2 megawatt (MW) wind turbine contains about 800 pounds of neodymium and 130 pounds of dysprosium. The MIT study cited above estimates that a 2 MW wind turbine contains about 752 pounds of rare earth minerals.To quantify this in terms of environmental damages, consider that mining one ton of rare earth minerals produces about one ton of radioactive waste, according to the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security. In 2012, the U.S. added a record 13,131 MW of wind generating capacity. That means that between 4.9 million pounds (using MIT’s estimate) and 6.1 million pounds (using the Bulletin of Atomic Science’s estimate) of rare earths were used in wind turbines installed in 2012. It also means that between 4.9 million and 6.1 million pounds of radioactive waste were created to make these wind turbines.

   I won't even get into the loss of land, land use and wild life from this "green energy" or the production and disposal of the battery's used to store it :grrr:

omnigun

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2021, 08:14:39 AM »
Is there studies comparing that vs oil for pollution? Fracking is very polluting and others are too.   Also over the years new technologies have come out that produce less waste for green tech.   It's about the progress.

changemyoil66

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2021, 09:02:03 AM »
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ren

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #26 on: January 31, 2021, 09:50:28 AM »
while everyone is posting some information to back up their arguments the o-douchebagg posts rhetorical questions back with nothing to support anything.
Deeds Not Words

changemyoil66

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #27 on: January 31, 2021, 10:22:56 AM »
while everyone is posting some information to back up their arguments the o-douchebagg posts rhetorical questions back with nothing to support anything.
The questions also have already been answered months ago by him arguinv about it.

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mrgaf

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2021, 11:33:03 AM »
Yup. Not saying all at once but start the process.  Worth the environment and my,  and my children's future. Good thing a majority are on the side I believe in.   

Basically remove oil subsidies. There's no reason why we should be subsidizing a lucrative business.  Second no more permits for oil.  Ban new fracking. And limit current. Then let the world slowly change.

You must be really pumping out the methane with all the BS you’re spewing again! I say screw you and you’re so called “majority”... ;)
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2021, 01:32:21 PM »
You must be really pumping out the methane with all the BS you’re spewing again! I say screw you and you’re so called “majority”... ;)

The majority answered questions like, "Should the US be moving toward a more green and renewable energy production footprint."

Who isn't going to support that?  What they fail to include is, "At the expense of the current fossil fuel industry which will result in massive layoffs, businesses closing, and rampant inflation as we replace that oil with foreign oil".

The questions they ask, and the parts they don't ask, matter greatly in polls.  You can get any "majority" on any question you want if you ask the right questions while avoiding the "whole truth."

"Are you for open borders, amnesty for DACA residents, and a return to the Obama era of catch and release of undocumented aliens."

Follow-ups,"You are?  Great!  How many undocumented workers are you willing to house in your home?  How many living next door to you?  Can we count on you to take a pay cut or accept being laid-off so your company can hire more DACA residents and undocumented workers?  What other benefits of citizenship besides employment are you willing to surrender so those entering or living in the country illegally can prosper?  Are you okay with being taxed more so the gov't can give those non-citizens free healthcare, education and other services that you and others so generously make available to them?"
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

mrgaf

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #30 on: January 31, 2021, 02:16:45 PM »
 :sleeping:
Is there studies comparing that vs oil for pollution? Fracking is very polluting and others are too.   Also over the years new technologies have come out that produce less waste for green tech.   It's about the progress.

 :sleeping:
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

dafrtknocker

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #31 on: January 31, 2021, 02:43:24 PM »
Maybe old Joe could try this again.

The Solyndra Scam Exposed: Barack Obama’s Green Energy Con Game.

https://www.ikonlondonmagazine.com/the-solyndra-scam-barack-obamas-green-energy-con-game/

Flapp_Jackson

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2021, 01:01:15 AM »
Why Are Utilities So Expensive?

Quote
The cost of producing electricity has dropped significantly in the last decade.
So why haven’t we seen those price drops reflected in our electricity bills?
Charles McConnell, former Assistant Secretary of Energy in the Obama
Administration, answers this riddle.

https://www.prageru.com/video/why-are-utilities-so-expensive/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2021, 01:23:24 PM »
https://www.khon2.com/news/national/things-to-know-state-vaccination-talks-being-held-privately/

ICYMI: A new study found that cleaner air from the pandemic lockdown warmed the planet a bit in 2020, especially in places such as the eastern U.S., Russia and China. The study released Tuesday found that the lockdown reduced soot and sulfate air particles, which are pollution that also reflects the sun’s heat and helps cool areas briefly. The result is that some places warmed temporarily by as much as two-thirds of a degree Fahrenheit last year and the planet as a whole warmed by about half a degree. The study’s lead author said that loss of cooling outweighed any reduction of heat-trapping carbon pollution last year.

BLUF: We don't know what causes the planet to cool or warm
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #34 on: February 03, 2021, 01:35:11 PM »
https://www.khon2.com/news/national/things-to-know-state-vaccination-talks-being-held-privately/

ICYMI: A new study found that cleaner air from the pandemic lockdown warmed the planet a bit in 2020, especially in places such as the eastern U.S., Russia and China. The study released Tuesday found that the lockdown reduced soot and sulfate air particles, which are pollution that also reflects the sun’s heat and helps cool areas briefly. The result is that some places warmed temporarily by as much as two-thirds of a degree Fahrenheit last year and the planet as a whole warmed by about half a degree. The study’s lead author said that loss of cooling outweighed any reduction of heat-trapping carbon pollution last year.

BLUF: We don't know what causes the planet to cool or warm

That's been my #1 criticism of Climate Change Socialism.  There is no known way to quantify how much humans contribute to the "problem."   And if we did know, whether there's any significant impact our actions might have on the situation at all.

Then you see the Climate Change people refusing to change one thing they do in their lives to combat the "problem."

When the people saying there's a crisis start ACTING like there's a crisis (other than politicizing it for power and money), maybe I'll start to believe them.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: could be in the climate or biden cancel thread...
« Reply #35 on: February 03, 2021, 01:55:48 PM »
There's a lot of wishing in the form of money. Lots of do-nothings wishing for this and that and not taking any initiative. "I'll gladly pay more for ____ if it saves the planet etc." And that's where the vultures come in and take your money and guilt you more for it. With the ubiquity of information ala the internet and a little bit of motivation one can see on a micro scale how these "green" technologies can pan out for better or for worse. No wonder certain posters who are verbal experts on everything have to ask "Is this a good company?" "What firearm to recommend for my kid?". Fucking lazy. Try asking stuff like that on Stack Exchange or on XDA.

In my opinion industries in the business of energy lack any universally acceptable standard for physical storage formats. That's why it is a bold claim for one company to say they recover 95% of an energy storage unit. The BMS may still be useable but according to their processes it is either discarded or shredded. Absolutely wasted. What the large scale battery industry needs is an agreed upon standard for end of life reuse/recycle and new manufacturing. So far I have heard nothing. Just typical govt BS of throwing money at the problem and flower petals thrown at leaders' feet for appeasement.

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