Attorney analyzes this shooting.  He brings up a good point that prosecution against the 3 armed citizens is highly unlikely, but they could face a civil lawsuit.

Hawaii Stand Your Ground bill, HB534, would block civil lawsuits like this if passed.  SB334 would also block civil suits if a person is found not guilty due to self-defense in a criminal trial.

Regardless of how the local prosecutor sees things, as mentioned in the first video, getting self defense insurance is highly recommended.  USCCA covers weapons used in defense of oneself and others besides just firearms.

We live in a country where I think too many people are terrified of doing what they think/know is right because of the threat of legal action against them.  Sad, but true. 

If you know your inclination would be to help someone being beaten, stabbed or threatened with a gun, you should be prepared by getting insurance. 

Like all insurance, you hope you never need it, but you're damned glad to have it when you do -- kind of like a firearm.

Vegas has a true castle doctrine.  That also extends to your vehicle.  Thats why BJ Balwdin was so vocal about his shooting after the police ruled it was self defense.

 IDK if they have a stand your ground that makes you immune from civil liability as well.

Regardless of how the local prosecutor sees things, as mentioned in the first video, getting self defense insurance is highly recommended.  USCCA covers weapons used in defense of oneself and others besides just firearms.

We live in a country where I think too many people are terrified of doing what they think/know is right because of the threat of legal action against them.  Sad, but true. 

If you know your inclination would be to help someone being beaten, stabbed or threatened with a gun, you should be prepared by getting insurance. 

Like all insurance, you hope you never need it, but you're damned glad to have it when you do -- kind of like a firearm.

Hey Flap would USCCA cover dog bites if people broke in, for civil lawsuit

Hey Flap would USCCA cover dog bites if people broke in, for civil lawsuit

Your homeowners or renters insurance will cover that. Either defense or indemnity settlement.
Very defensible case for your insurance co. if they broke in.

Shooting, there’s a coverage question of intentional act under these types of insurance so very different from dog bite, coverage wise.

Flapp,
You can answer the USCCA question.

Hey Flap would USCCA cover dog bites if people broke in, for civil lawsuit

From my past reading, dogs are not "weapons" and would therefore not be covered by self defense insurance policies.

As stated, homeowner's insurance MIGHT cover you.  There are some areas and insurance policies that label certain breeds as "extremely dangerous," like German Shepherd, Doberman, Pit Bull, Rottweiler, etc.  Those may get you sued if they attack regardless of the situation, because they are "known to be extremely dangerous breeds -- keep them at your own risk."

I've seen that in many states, having a "guard dog" that's not on the "high risk" list and signs warning of "Big Dog," "Guard Dog," "Watch Dog." or any other signs won't protect you from legal action.  If someone sees the sign and enters anyway causing the dog to bite them, you are still held liable.  If you lock your gates preventing casual entry by others, you might be able to fight it.  Otherwise, warnings can only stop people who are smart enough to heed warnings.  They won't protect you nor the other person should someone stupidly enter your property and get bitten.

Owning a dog you hope will protect you is discouraged by government.  They prefer you only own "alarm" dogs -- little dogs that can't seriously injure anyone but rather starts barking to alert of possible danger.  This is more for deterring burglars who prefer homes that won't create noise that can alert neighbors. 

That concept of no-bite dogs kind of flies in the face of the Hawaii HPD comments of "get a big dog."  They need to elaborate.  A big dog is more intimidating and more likely to deter trespassers.  But you should only get one which doesn't bite people.

We can't win for losing.  Self defense and protection of ones family and property is a crime in this state, it seems.

I don't care what the law is. If I have to inflict grievous bodily harm on someone to protect myself or someone I care about, which includes my dogs, I will.
I’ll worry about the consequences later.  Remember the older us seniors get, the less of a deterrent life in prison is. I will be 71 soon. I will be more dangerous
if I make it to 80 and extremely dangerous at 90.

Nearly everyone on this forum realizes the position of HPD Chief Ballard in regards to civilians defending their lives and the lives of their loved ones with deadly force. I am glad that the Vegas police captain is appreciative of the brave actions by the civilians who saved the officers life. I wonder how Ballard would react if an identical situation happened here.   

Nearly everyone on this forum realizes the position of HPD Chief Ballard in regards to civilians defending their lives and the lives of their loved ones with deadly force. I am glad that the Vegas police captain is appreciative of the brave actions by the civilians who saved the officers life. I wonder how Ballard would react if an identical situation happened here.   

Chief Ballard already showed her contempt for us lowly citizens by asking if anyone thinks it's worth going through the system to defend their life.

"Whether you're in the right or you're wrong, you're still going to have to go through the legal system,
you're going to have to go through all this," Ballard said. "It's going to be a toll on your family, it's going
to be a financial toll. Is it worth it?"

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=35916.40

Vid is released. Guy tries to steal gun from other guys backpack during ccw class. He has prior attempted murder charge, theft of firearm, and more. Pic below is when he got lit up after stabbing the cop.

He is in yellow under the handicap sign. So another car is there to medigate over penetration and misses. You see stabbed cop on the ground, her partner on the far left. 3 armed civilians drawn and gun store employee in black shirt not drawn.

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I was wondering, let’s say a cop on Oahu or any county in Hawaii pulled a car over a couple houses away from where you live.  The driver attacks and starts stabbing the cop.  You run out of your house with a gun and neutralize the threat.  Will you get arrested and your gun confiscated?  Your thoughts.

I was wondering, let’s say a cop on Oahu or any county in Hawaii pulled a car over a couple houses away from where you live.  The driver attacks and starts stabbing the cop.  You run out of your house with a gun and neutralize the threat.  Will you get arrested and your gun confiscated?  Your thoughts.

 I believe that would fall under "self-defense"

I was wondering, let’s say a cop on Oahu or any county in Hawaii pulled a car over a couple houses away from where you live.  The driver attacks and starts stabbing the cop.  You run out of your house with a gun and neutralize the threat.  Will you get arrested and your gun confiscated?  Your thoughts.

Yes and yes.
SOP in Hawaii

I believe that would fall under "self-defense"

your belive would be wrong
i am embarrassed...

I believe that would fall under "self-defense"

Please reference the Hawaii Revised Statute that defines use of lethal force in defense of others as "self defense."

Yes and yes.
SOP in Hawaii

When I was on the mainland,  someone told me if you shot someone engaged in a criminal act in Lubbock TX, the Sheriff would ask you how many rounds did you use so he could replace it. LOL.

I was wondering, let’s say a cop on Oahu or any county in Hawaii pulled a car over a couple houses away from where you live.  The driver attacks and starts stabbing the cop.  You run out of your house with a gun and neutralize the threat.  Will you get arrested and your gun confiscated?  Your thoughts.

Per law, you can aid police.  But that section of the law doesn't' apply to leaving the home with a firearm or things like that.  Just use of deadly force.  So if HI wanted to be a dick, they could get you for no OC permit, places to keep law for gun and ammo.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0703/HRS_0703-0308.htm

Then add in lawsuit by bad guys family or themselves.  State prob wont pony up $ for your defense. So TBH, I would mind my own business and just call 911.  Then blame state laws for my inactions.

Now shooting from inside your home out the door or window, IDK about.  At most public endangerment charge maybe, due to bullet crossing public area. There was a vid a year ago where a cop got her gun taken away and someone was videoing 30 feet away from their window.

Per law, you can aid police.  But that section of the law doesn't' apply to leaving the home with a firearm or things like that.  Just use of deadly force.  So if HI wanted to be a dick, they could get you for no OC permit, places to keep law for gun and ammo.

https://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0703/HRS_0703-0308.htm

Then add in lawsuit by bad guys family or themselves.  State prob wont pony up $ for your defense. So TBH, I would mind my own business and just call 911.  Then blame state laws for my inactions.

Now shooting from inside your home out the door or window, IDK about.  At most public endangerment charge maybe, due to bullet crossing public area. There was a vid a year ago where a cop got her gun taken away and someone was videoing 30 feet away from their window.

Personally, on public property, I would not aid the police in anyway what so ever,
here in Hawaii.
Cops would not be on my property as I would never request it, and if they are here they are
trespassing or acting in a manner not in my best interest.
I would not shoot anybody on public property that was hurting a cop.
If there were not cops around I certainly would shoot someone hurting
a civilian in a felony fashion on public property, then drag the body off
to a gulch, and then go home.
I don't normally have a cell phone so I can't call 911.