Now that Andria Tupola is on C&C, we have an opportunity to address the concerns about the range that have largely been ignored by previous administrations;  i.e. renovations, improvements, adopting the park, etc.

I reached out to her and she is willing to host a meeting (likely via a digital platform like zoom) to have a discussion about what can be done. She also wants to bring Tommy Waters into the discussion, whom she feels is open to supporting this effort and whose support will likely be needed for anything to move forward. Thielen will likely be involved and she is aware of her anti-2a views, but is hoping she can set those aside and focus on the responsibilities of her position and not make this a personal/political issue.

I need all those who have been playing a part in fighting for the range to confirm if they are willing to meet. If we can get enough attendance by these individuals, I will reach out to her again to set up the meeting. She and other council members who may participate are busy with other priority projects, so it might not happen ASAP. But having worked with her previously on other issues, I know she will follow through with trying to address concerns of the community.

Please use this opportunity to make a positive change to possibly get the improvements and repairs the range needs. I don't want this post to turn into Tupola-bashing, negative nancy replies about how nothing is going to happen; either things can change or they won't, but all we can do is try.

I'm scheduled to follow up with her in a week or two, so please let me know if this is something you guys are interested in.

Hey Q!  Long time no see (posts). 

I'm def interested.  Will help spread the word.   

Id be available

Now that Andria Tupola is on C&C, we have an opportunity to address the concerns about the range that have largely been ignored by previous administrations;  i.e. renovations, improvements, adopting the park, etc.

I reached out to her and she is willing to host a meeting (likely via a digital platform like zoom) to discuss the issues about the range that have largely been ignored by previous administrations. She also wants to bring Tommy Waters into the discussion, whom she feels is open to supporting this effort and whose support will likely be needed for anything to move forward. Thielen will likely be involved and she is aware of her anti-2a views, but is hoping she can set those aside and focus on the responsibilities of her position and not make this a personal/political issue.

I need all those who have been playing a part in fighting for the range to confirm if they are willing to meet. If we can get enough attendance by these individuals, I will reach out to her again to set up the meeting. She and other council members who may participate are busy with other priority projects, so it might not happen ASAP. But having worked with her previously on other issues, I know she will follow through with trying to address concerns of the community.

Please use this opportunity to make a positive change to possibly get the improvements and repairs the range needs. I don't want this post to turn into Tupola-bashing, negative nancy replies about how nothing is going to happen; either things can change or they won't, but all we can do is try.

I'm scheduled to follow up with her in a week or two, so please let me know if this is something you guys are interested in.

thanks Q
you know i'm in...

I'm in

I'm in.  I was working on the KHSC improvement petition a few years ago but it stagnated so I started HIFICO to build support first.  I had some ideas for the range.  One of the more drastic ones was to build a new skeet and trap range somewhere else and replace it with more bays.  Birdshot don't reach out far so it's easier to build a range for that than for rifles.  As with anything, funding will be the biggest problem especially when $10+ million is needed.  It's going to require user fees, donations, concessions, and pittman robertson matching funds, though it's competing against the Big Island and Kauai for those funds.

One thing I didn't get around to was making a survey of what people want.  That's what everyone recommended should be done first.

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Great idea,  not sure if we can get funding with the current economic situation.  I be willing to donate though.  Too bad we can't get one if those donate to X things on our tax forms. 

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I bet you guys that Knudsen is all over this, trying to panic the politicians about increased mayhem and phantom bullets flying over Koko crater.

Same time, you all have a far better chance at getting these improvements than we on the BI have getting any sort of range at all.

I'm in.  I was working on the KHSC improvement petition a few years ago but it stagnated so I started HIFICO to build support first.  I had some ideas for the range.  One of the more drastic ones was to build a new skeet and trap range somewhere else and replace it with more bays.  Birdshot don't reach out far so it's easier to build a range for that than for rifles.  As with anything, funding will be the biggest problem especially when $10+ million is needed.  It's going to require user fees, donations, concessions, and pittman robertson matching funds, though it's competing against the Big Island and Kauai for those funds.

Exactly the kind of stuff needed. I made it known that this effort has been going on for years and went largely ignored, and that the community just wants a chance to discuss this with people in the C&C who are are willing to listen and help or find a way to compromise.

I like the idea of userfees for upkeep, and I'm sure they would love the potential revenue source as well. I would have no problem paying to use bays, so long as I am not restricted to the current conditions; especially at the rifle and pistol ranges.

One thing I didn't get around to was making a survey of what people want.  That's what everyone recommended should be done first.

If I had a wish list, I would want the bays leveled out to modern range standards; tired of shooting from a hill and being restricted to 2 set distances. I would like the ability to safely shoot at ground level at whatever distance I can set my target at, for both rifle and pistol. I also wouldn't mind completely doing away with designated pistol and rifle ranges and just expanding the bays/lanes to allow people to shoot whatever they want.

I agree that more input would be beneficial, but I think it's important to get the bug in their ears and get the ball rolling.

Great idea,  not sure if we can get funding with the current economic situation.  I be willing to donate though.  Too bad we can't get one if those donate to X things on our tax forms. 

She mentioned Mr. Waters is working on numerous budget related items; all out of wack, as to be expected with how corrupt and wasteful previous administrations have been. I assume that's why it's important to have him involved and gain his support to get this moving


Anotger possible taking point Im hoping the leaders of this effort can discuss is adopting the park. Mrs. Tupola wasn't aware that the park was under the jurisdiction of the C&C, and I told her previous attempts for organizations to adopt and care for the range went ignored.

I also informed her that there was interest from the community to fund or contribute to the renovations independently since nothing was being done, but that aldo went ignored.

I bet you guys that Knudsen is all over this, trying to panic the politicians about increased mayhem and phantom ballets flying over Koko crater.

Same time, you all have a far better chance at getting these improvements than we on the BI have getting any sort of range at all.

I'm willing to discuss the bullet incident if this meeting comes to fruition, but not sure if it's necessary or beneficial. I think what's most important is to demonstrate that one of, if not the most popular C&C of Oahu park has been and is being largely neglected, and that improvements and renovations that have been ignored must be implemented for safety reasons. A personal example I have is my father became walking impaired in his later years and struggled to reach the target. This could be fixed by simply making the lanes ground level and also allowing people to shoot at closer distances.

A major overhaul of range design might seem out of the question, but when you factor in issues with access for disabled individuals, safety issues with an outdated range design from WWII and lack of essential infrastructure (like functioning bathrooms and drinking water sources), it greatly justifies the necessity for the implementation of the ideas many of you have.

Happy to help!

I like the idea of having classroom & retail space.  It would good to have revenue generating space that supplements(not replace) city funding of KHSC.  Maybe rent out to archery shop that has indoor range for retail sales/instruction.  Rent out to gunshop for onsite ammo sales.

It would be nice to bring in instructors to have gunsmithing/armorer/reloading classes:

Gunsmithing:
https://cylinder-slide.com/PClasses
https://rifledynamics.com/build-classes/

Armorer:
https://glocktraining.com/Schedule.aspx
https://www.sigsaueracademy.com/course/armorer-certification

I like the idea of having classroom & retail space.  It would good to have revenue generating space that supplements(not replace) city funding of KHSC.  Maybe rent out to archery shop that has indoor range for retail sales/instruction.  Rent out to gunshop for onsite ammo sales.

It would be nice to bring in instructors to have gunsmithing/armorer/reloading classes:

Gunsmithing:
https://cylinder-slide.com/PClasses
https://rifledynamics.com/build-classes/

Armorer:
https://glocktraining.com/Schedule.aspx
https://www.sigsaueracademy.com/course/armorer-certification

 

Also a dynamic range would be great or at least the option to do some Run N Gun

Several 10 person classrooms for $75 a day plus $10 range fees could bring in a good bit if money.

Several 10 person classrooms for $75 a day plus $10 range fees could bring in a good bit if money.

If the state really wanted to make money they just need to open an ammo store on property.  Assuming they can keep it stocked and buy in bulk they would be definitely be able to keep the range afloat.

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Interest in or confirmation of participation, constructive input/ideas/topics for discussion and identifying priorities that specifically relate to the meeting with the C&C about fixing/improving KHSC is all that's wanted for this post.

If you guys want to debate or argue, go on another thread or start a new one.

Given the interest and number of people who agreed to participate (that I personally know have been working on the range) and because Mrs. Tupola is getting busy with her schedule, I contacted her and she agreed to a meeting on Wednesday, March 17th at 6pm. This gives us 2 weeks to plan and prepare.

I will be confirming attendence numbers for her by those who replied on the thread thus far and will be provide a link to those individuals via PM when I receive it from Mrs. Tupola. If you don't want to publicly list yourself as attending, send me a PM.

We have 2 weeks, so please use the time to coordinate with each other to identify the main priorities for the range and plans/ideas that could be realistically implemented. We have our wants for the range, but we need to focus on the needs that can easily justified as necessities, especially given the current situation with state and county budgeting. Again, focus on priorities that can benefit everyone who uses or will/could the range and think of solutions that can be implemented.

If you do not have zoom, please download it ahead of time.


Finally, I have reassured Mrs. Tupola that we are encouraging professionalism and civility from attendees during this meeting, and any unnecessary or belligerent talk or arguments will not be tolerated. If any unproductive or unprofessional behavior is identified, I'm giving Mrs. Tupola full reign to remove those individuals from the meeting. I invested a lot of time and effort building a good relationship with Mrs. Tupola and am very grateful she is willing to at least hear us out, so I don't want this conversation turning into arguments or name calling that is so common on 2ahawaii threads. She is the link to the city city council that we have been waiting for, because she genuinely cares and wants to help. Do not blow this opportunity. If you feel you can't control your issues or anger enough to hold a civil conversation, please do not attend.