Shooting community Lockdown (Read 4384 times)

ren

Shooting community Lockdown
« on: March 14, 2021, 11:47:13 AM »
Walked into WGS the other day and they had barely any firearms, ammo and reloading components. We need to flatten the curve.
We need a lockdown on all shooting to ensure that we don't overwhelm our firearms resources. Because, lockdowns work and the range is too far.
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macsak

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2021, 12:01:17 PM »
Walked into WGS the other day and they had barely any firearms, ammo and reloading components. We need to flatten the curve.
We need a lockdown on all shooting to ensure that we don't overwhelm our firearms resources. Because, lockdowns work and the range is too far.

don't forget "other factors"...

zippz

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2021, 12:09:00 PM »
It would have to be a national lockdown or else people in other states would just buy up all the extra ammo.

I can put you in touch with people that may be interested in your proposal.

ren

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2021, 12:21:30 PM »
Sarcasm is a difficult concept for some - especially for those with certain conditions.

Anyways, the concern is that with limited stock to sell I wonder about the livelihood of the firearms dealers here in Hawaii. If they have nothing to sell it's just as bad as anti-2a laws banning stuff.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2021, 12:31:54 PM »
Sarcasm is a difficult concept for some - especially for those with certain conditions.

Anyways, the concern is that with limited stock to sell I wonder about the livelihood of the firearms dealers here in Hawaii. If they have nothing to sell it's just as bad as anti-2a laws banning stuff.

In times of declared national emergency, which seems to be easy for the Swamp to do sometimes, the government can direct all ammunition manufacturers (and firearms makers) to sell what they produce to the government exclusively.  That includes cartridges as well as individual ammo components.

The DoD has its own ammo factory to supply most of the military's needs which doesn't include the huge number of federal organizations that require agents to use firearms: DHS, IRS, ICE, etc.

So, if the gov't really wanted to put a damper on sales of ammo and guns, they could have done it at the beginning of the pandemic.

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Inspector

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2021, 12:37:30 PM »
Sarcasm is a difficult concept for some - especially for those with certain conditions.

Anyways, the concern is that with limited stock to sell I wonder about the livelihood of the firearms dealers here in Hawaii. If they have nothing to sell it's just as bad as anti-2a laws banning stuff.
Does the “Village Idiot” even understand sarcasm? I really can’t believe that he stays here and continues to completely and totally embarrass himself.  :wtf:

There is an LGS out here that has been teetering on going under due to lack of stock to sell. They will occasionally get a pallet of ammo or a batch of firearms to sell. They have not gotten primers nor powder for close to a year. Their supply of bullets and brass is almost depleted. They are surviving on consignments right now as well as accessories. I fear for their survival.
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zippz

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2021, 12:49:42 PM »
I've been wondering about the gun stores too.  The thing is more ammo is being produced and the number of gun stores probably hasn't changed.  So each gun store should be receiving more ammo now on average than in the past.  There are more new gun owners and people panic buying ammo so inventory levels are down.  So either gun stores here are making bank, or the mainland stores are somehow able to buy more ammo than the local dealers here.

Thought up a few scenarios if a gun store sold 9mm rounds:

10,000 rounds at 25 cpr with a gross profit of 5 cents per round, they earn $500 profit

10,000 rounds at 60 cpr with a gross profit of 30 cents per round, they earn $3,000 profit

2,500 rounds at 60 cpr with a gross profit of 30 cents per round, they earn $750 profit

ren

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2021, 12:52:17 PM »
I've been wondering about the gun stores too.  The thing is more ammo is being produced and the number of gun stores probably hasn't changed.  So each gun store should be receiving more ammo now on average than in the past.  There are more new gun owners and people panic buying ammo so inventory levels are down.  So either gun stores here are making bank, or the mainland stores are somehow able to buy more ammo than the local dealers here.

Thought up a few scenarios if a gun store sold 9mm rounds:

10,000 rounds at 25 cpr with a gross profit of 5 cents per round, they earn $500 profit

10,000 rounds at 60 cpr with a gross profit of 30 cents per round, they earn $3,000 profit

2,500 rounds at 60 cpr with a gross profit of 30 cents per round, they earn $750 profit

Spoke to a LGS and the priority of distribution is a challenge. We are a smaller market so distributors prioritize those with larger markets. Obviously those markets have greater margins.
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dogman

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2021, 01:41:32 PM »
I've been wondering about the gun stores too.  The thing is more ammo is being produced and the number of gun stores probably hasn't changed.  So each gun store should be receiving more ammo now on average than in the past.
Good point. Why wouldn't ammo retailers receive at least the same quantity of ammo as in 2020? They just might sell out faster now. The online retailers like Powder Valley, Midway and Brownells are also out stock on most popular brands of ammo.

KaleoArms

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2021, 06:56:00 PM »
I've been wondering about the gun stores too.  The thing is more ammo is being produced and the number of gun stores probably hasn't changed.  So each gun store should be receiving more ammo now on average than in the past.  There are more new gun owners and people panic buying ammo so inventory levels are down.  So either gun stores here are making bank, or the mainland stores are somehow able to buy more ammo than the local dealers here.

Its also that there are stores that are "dealers" like the LGS who purchase ammo through distributors (like say Davidsons, RSR etc) and then there are stores that buy directly from the manufacturers (Vista Outdoors mainly).  With Vista, I forget what the threshold annual sales amount was to apply for an account but memory points to in the millions.  It seems like the Vista direct stores are getting ammo in more frequently, but the middlemen distribution points (Davidsons/RSR types) have been getting very little supply which then results in the LGS not being able to get ammo themselves.  So in a way we (Hawaii) are a little too small of a market, but I think its more so that we don't really have a big chain store that has big inventory pull from Vista Group.

From what we've seen in the midwest, ammo supply has actually significantly improved the last two or so weeks.  556, 762x51, 40sw, and 45acp have all been regularly dropping pallets worth at the big retailer chains.  Mostly Winchester brand, but recently Federal, Speer, and Blazer have been on the shelves also.  The increased supply on the chain store shelves gives some hope that the distributors will begin to get ammo too that the LGS dealers will be able to access.  Part of the reason why we've been holding off pulling together another pallet is because we've been hoping that that supply spigot opens up so prices go back down (and so we don't get stuck with premium priced sourced inventory). 

On the manufacturing ammunition FFL side, the report I saw a couple days ago from a main component distributor was that inventory arrival was actually pretty good the last month.  The vast majority of what they got went to backorders from the summer/fall, but this was the first newsletter in at least 6 months that mentioned that a dent was made in the backorders.  Primers and powders continue to be on backorder with no new backorders being taken yet on most primer types. 


In times of declared national emergency, which seems to be easy for the Swamp to do sometimes, the government can direct all ammunition manufacturers (and firearms makers) to sell what they produce to the government exclusively.  That includes cartridges as well as individual ammo components.

The DoD has its own ammo factory to supply most of the military's needs which doesn't include the huge number of federal organizations that require agents to use firearms: DHS, IRS, ICE, etc.

So, if the gov't really wanted to put a damper on sales of ammo and guns, they could have done it at the beginning of the pandemic.

The more you know ...

Also... a not so fun fact about Hawaii SB523 (and its predecessors) which wants to require ammunition vendor licensing sneaks in there "that all firearms or ammunition in the possession and control of any licensee at any time of national emergency or crisis, as defined in section 134-34, may be seized and held in possession or purchased by or on the order of the governor until such time as the national emergency or crisis has passed, or until such time as the licensee and the government of the United States or the government of the State may agree upon some other disposition of the same."

Sure a year ago we all thought that such a national emergency would be quite rare... but it rings a different tone now.

changemyoil66

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2021, 08:03:42 PM »
Just a thought, say a LGS did get a few cases together. But not enough for a pallat.  Would they pay to ship at full hazmat price half a pallat or even less? That would cause the price of each case to go up a bit.

I say a few cases becuase maybe for orders, the suppliers can only spare a few cases to a smaller market. Where in the mainland shipping a few cases is not an issue.

Ive seen Ventura munitions (vegas) IG stories and seems like they get ammo and guns every other week and sell out fast. Plus they got a few FFL reloaders in the city too. 

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stangzilla

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2021, 07:32:54 AM »
now i limit myself to 50 rounds centerfire, 100 rounds rimfire when i go shooting
and reload only 50 at a time
its like drinking only 1 beer.  sucks.   :'(

Inspector

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2021, 07:46:58 AM »
now i limit myself to 50 rounds centerfire, 100 rounds rimfire when i go shooting
and reload only 50 at a time
its like drinking only 1 beer.  sucks.   :'(
Sorry to see this happening. Before my wife’s first ankle surgery over a month ago I was happily shooting as much as I wanted. But since I have had a chance to take stock of what I have left I have decided to start limiting my shooting when I start going back to the range.

With that said I am starting to hear a little that things might be loosening up a bit in the ammo availability. Plus, I saw Classic Firearms selling cases of 9mm for $500. And they still have not sold out of it for over a week now. And on the local board out here I am watching high priced private ammo sales either up for weeks at a time or not happening at all. And some are lowering their prices. These are just little things I have noticed lately.
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changemyoil66

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2021, 08:47:51 AM »
Sorry to see this happening. Before my wife’s first ankle surgery over a month ago I was happily shooting as much as I wanted. But since I have had a chance to take stock of what I have left I have decided to start limiting my shooting when I start going back to the range.

With that said I am starting to hear a little that things might be loosening up a bit in the ammo availability. Plus, I saw Classic Firearms selling cases of 9mm for $500. And they still have not sold out of it for over a week now. And on the local board out here I am watching high priced private ammo sales either up for weeks at a time or not happening at all. And some are lowering their prices. These are just little things I have noticed lately.

That's good to hear.  Mrs. CMO was in Austin and went to a gun show. 9mm range ammo was going for $1 a rd avg.  Which is more expensive than SEC sells it for here.  That was a shocker.

For me, I haven't been going to the range much.  When I did go, it was with Mrs. CMO while she was practicing for her NRA instructor quals.  I shot about 1 mag worth and that was it.  Since my skills are not too good, I noticed after not shooting for months, I didn't lose any accuracy.  So not a perishable skill for me yet.

RSN172

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2021, 09:28:58 AM »
That's good to hear.  Mrs. CMO was in Austin and went to a gun show. 9mm range ammo was going for $1 a rd avg.  Which is more expensive than SEC sells it for here.  That was a shocker.
The last time I bought ammo was at Front Sight in Oct 2019. I bought 750 rds of 9MM Blazer 124gr for $7.50 for 50.  I thought that was high, considering I had their ammo discount endorsement on my membership and Stockpile Defense which supplies their ammo sells about 6 million rds per year.  I have several thousand rds of 9MM and 223, but haven't shot any this year.  I practice my drawing and shooting with my Umarex Glock clone BB gun. BBs and CO2 cost only about a penny per shot.
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ren

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Inspector

Re: Shooting community Lockdown
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2021, 09:39:23 AM »
That's good to hear.  Mrs. CMO was in Austin and went to a gun show. 9mm range ammo was going for $1 a rd avg.  Which is more expensive than SEC sells it for here.  That was a shocker.

For me, I haven't been going to the range much.  When I did go, it was with Mrs. CMO while she was practicing for her NRA instructor quals.  I shot about 1 mag worth and that was it.  Since my skills are not too good, I noticed after not shooting for months, I didn't lose any accuracy.  So not a perishable skill for me yet.
If it appears that things are beginning to normalize as will happen, I will still limit my shooting until primers become available again and at prices I consider normal. But at that time I will spend my retirement savings until I have no more or I have what I consider enough to last me 5 years of my major calibers. I had enough to last me 3 years before I moved and I need to get back to that level and then some after this is over. Never again.
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