First 1911 in 45 (Read 150888 times)

drck1000

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #600 on: May 02, 2022, 09:08:15 AM »
So everything went as planned ::), awesome!  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup: I'll see you on the 15th.

So everything went as planned  :o, awesome!  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I'll see you on the 15th?
If dogman will be there, then. . .  8)

drck1000

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #601 on: May 02, 2022, 09:13:35 AM »
Got the WML on. My streamlight TLR1 is way easier to install. No need coin or flat head screwdriver to tighten down.

Noticed no where to do 1 handed slide racking. For the vp9, i use the ledge on the rear sight to rack on my belt. This one is an upward angle. Any other ideas?

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There are some front sights where you can rack the slide with and were intended for that use (so built a little more stout).  I have a set of 10-8 on a Glock 17 and I've tried/tested and it works.  There are various techniques to make it easier, but on your belt or along your waist isn't the easiest, especially if you have love handles. 

changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #602 on: May 02, 2022, 09:26:11 AM »
Look up the sight heights.  I am betting different heights between brands and even different models in the same line.  Recommend shooting the gun as-is first.  Sites like Dawson Precision have calculators for the POI.  I have a number of their sights and have always been happy, well, except for the times when I filed too much when fitting.   :(

It's just 1 of those things that if I really need to do 1 hand racking malfunction clearing.  I've only had to do it once for a skill builder since 2016.  But if MARSOC/MEU doesn't need it, then I guess I don't either.  Then the scene from Blackhawk down comes into my mind where Shughart/Gordon made their last stand.  The shooting 1911 1 handed due his other arm not working. Would I be in this situation, almost a 0 % chance, but you never know. 

Also I noticed the X300 switches are way tighter than the TLR-1 one.  Like 1 handed manipulation on and off take more effort.

After dry firing more and getting to know her, I can see how the  advancement in tech has changed handguns. Like disassembly for a striker fire or even other handguns have been much easier.  Same concepts, but different.  IMO field stripping a VP9, CZP10C are much easier and less parts.

Then the remembering to disengage the safety.  What I do like about the gun are the safety features. The striker fire that we have all have bladed triggers.  Which is why I'm not a fan of the P320s (non safety lever). The 1911 has the thumb and the grip safety. The thumb can be accidentally disengaged/forgotten, but the grip one is also there.

I apologize if what I'm posting is nooby stuff, but this is my first 1911 and I'm learning all the differences so bear with me.

changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #603 on: May 02, 2022, 09:26:56 AM »
but on your belt or along your waist isn't the easiest, especially if you have love handles.

Cardio bro. :rofl:

drck1000

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #604 on: May 02, 2022, 09:52:26 AM »
It's just 1 of those things that if I really need to do 1 hand racking malfunction clearing.  I've only had to do it once for a skill builder since 2016. 1) But if MARSOC/MEU doesn't need it, then I guess I don't either.  Then the scene from Blackhawk down comes into my mind where Shughart/Gordon made their last stand.  The shooting 1911 1 handed due his other arm not working. Would I be in this situation, almost a 0 % chance, but you never know. 

2) Also I noticed the X300 switches are way tighter than the TLR-1 one.  Like 1 handed manipulation on and off take more effort.

After dry firing more and getting to know her, I can see how the  advancement in tech has changed handguns. Like disassembly for a striker fire or even other handguns have been much easier.  Same concepts, but different.  IMO field stripping a VP9, CZP10C are much easier and less parts.

Then the remembering to disengage the safety.  What I do like about the gun are the safety features. The striker fire that we have all have bladed triggers.  Which is why I'm not a fan of the P320s (non safety lever). 3) The 1911 has the thumb and the grip safety. The thumb can be accidentally disengaged/forgotten, but the grip one is also there.

I apologize if what I'm posting is nooby stuff, but this is my first 1911 and I'm learning all the differences so bear with me.
1) They have a different context of need(s), including what backup/redundancy they have or may be available to them. 
2) I have switch for the X300 that goes on the grip if you want to try.  I tried it and don't like it, so it's been in my extra parts bin.
3) Train, train, train (or) test, test, test.  Sight, safety, trigger. . .

drck1000

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #605 on: May 02, 2022, 09:53:18 AM »

changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #606 on: May 02, 2022, 09:59:03 AM »
1) They have a different context of need(s), including what backup/redundancy they have or may be available to them. 
2) I have switch for the X300 that goes on the grip if you want to try.  I tried it and don't like it, so it's been in my extra parts bin.
3) Train, train, train (or) test, test, test.  Sight, safety, trigger. . .

Thanks for the offer. I'm gonna run what I got for now b4 deciding on any changes.  Maybe I just gotta break in the light switch too.  So train, train, train. Which is why I like my G-Code RTI attachment clips. I can keep the same drop leg set up and just switch guns in seconds if need.  I also just ordered the Gcode clips for the molle loops for the mag pouch. The MALICE ones I had are a PITA to remove.  Like I need to use my knife to lift the tab. G-Code's are much more expensive, but way easier.  IMO the MALICE molle clips are not designed to be taken off often. More like set it and forget it. So I moved those to my side plate holders on my plate carrier.

The good think about training often is I kind of know what I need off the bat. Now it's just about fine tuning or live practice to confirm I'm g2g.  Which is why I won't have 5 holsters for the 1911. Buy once, cry once. I really didn't need the WML, but I rather buy it now vs. months or years later and need a new holster.  And due to the weight, there is no way I'm going to CCW this gun. Maybe open carry if we win Young vs. Hawaii after the SCOTUS NY ruling. But since I got the RTI clip, I can just get a non-drop leg holster for the hip and switch between the VP9 and 1911 if I feel like it.  So I planned ahead for this too.

drck1000

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #607 on: May 02, 2022, 11:51:27 AM »
Thanks for the offer. I'm gonna run what I got for now b4 deciding on any changes.  Maybe I just gotta break in the light switch too.  So train, train, train. Which is why I like my G-Code RTI attachment clips. I can keep the same drop leg set up and just switch guns in seconds if need.  I also just ordered the Gcode clips for the molle loops for the mag pouch. The MALICE ones I had are a PITA to remove.  Like I need to use my knife to lift the tab. G-Code's are much more expensive, but way easier.  IMO the MALICE molle clips are not designed to be taken off often. More like set it and forget it. So I moved those to my side plate holders on my plate carrier.

The good think about training often is I kind of know what I need off the bat. Now it's just about fine tuning or live practice to confirm I'm g2g.  Which is why I won't have 5 holsters for the 1911. Buy once, cry once. I really didn't need the WML, but I rather buy it now vs. months or years later and need a new holster.  And due to the weight, there is no way I'm going to CCW this gun. Maybe open carry if we win Young vs. Hawaii after the SCOTUS NY ruling. But since I got the RTI clip, I can just get a non-drop leg holster for the hip and switch between the VP9 and 1911 if I feel like it.  So I planned ahead for this too.
There are also variations on the malice clips.  Some work well for certain things, and not so well on some others.  At least in my experience.  I've had to "supplement" in a few cases.  I bought different clips to try to find a solution without the supplement, but never got around to trying, so stuck with the fix. 

I used to use a lot of GCode stuff.  Still think it's good stuff, have gone to different system.  LMK if you want to check out my old GCode stuff.  I have been meaning to list my HSGI and CGode belt setup that I haven't used in a lonnnnnngggggg time. 

Looking forward to seeing/reading your thoughts as you start shooting your 1911.  Then when you start the "Mrs. CMO's First 1911" thread. . .  ;D  :geekdanc:  :worship:

changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #608 on: May 02, 2022, 12:09:29 PM »
There are also variations on the malice clips.  Some work well for certain things, and not so well on some others.  At least in my experience.  I've had to "supplement" in a few cases.  I bought different clips to try to find a solution without the supplement, but never got around to trying, so stuck with the fix. 

I used to use a lot of GCode stuff.  Still think it's good stuff, have gone to different system.  LMK if you want to check out my old GCode stuff.  I have been meaning to list my HSGI and CGode belt setup that I haven't used in a lonnnnnngggggg time. 

Looking forward to seeing/reading your thoughts as you start shooting your 1911.  Then when you start the "Mrs. CMO's First 1911" thread. . .  ;D  :geekdanc:  :worship:

Im a G-Code whore too.  What I didn't like about the MALICE clips was that either way installed, it digs into my stomach or leg.  Since they are the short ones, my side plate holders cover the clip entirely. So there should be no digging.  I don't think I would have this issue with the G-code ones.They are in my mailbox right now. The crappy part is that Amazon doesn't sell them, so I had to pay $16 for the clips and $11 for shipping.  Amazon does have a knock off version though.

Mrs. CMo is actually looking at a fudd shotty right now. Stoeger Coach Gun. Total novelty gun.

changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #609 on: May 02, 2022, 12:21:31 PM »
I've actually been dealing with the MALICE clips since I got my warbelt. But now figure if I need additional clips for the plate carrier, might as well get it right.  I only shoot 1 or 2 times a month anyways.

The only issue that's bugging me is 1 side on the side plate carrier  will be coyote, the other side is black. So no matchy matchy.

WTF?Shane

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #610 on: May 02, 2022, 12:31:59 PM »
I haven't had my hands on a Colt railed 1911, but I do know that their pic rail sits a lot lower than others. Have you considered changing your technique? Maybe swiping up with the trigger finger to activate the light (mainly for one handed practicing) or using the support hand thumb to rotate the switch.

Also, not sure if mentioned before, but after reload and getting your support hand grip, use the support hand thumb to press the slide release.

changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #611 on: May 02, 2022, 12:49:17 PM »
I haven't had my hands on a Colt railed 1911, but I do know that their pic rail sits a lot lower than others. Have you considered changing your technique? Maybe swiping up with the trigger finger to activate the light (mainly for one handed practicing) or using the support hand thumb to rotate the switch.

Also, not sure if mentioned before, but after reload and getting your support hand grip, use the support hand thumb to press the slide release.

My index finger isn't long enough for 1 handed manipulation of the WML . Compared to the TLR-1, since it's much easier to move, the tip of my index can activate it.  Gotta use the middle finger.  2 handed operation is no problem for the lights. I use my support hand thumb since it's already near by on the frame.  Prior to the Febs handgun HDF skill builder, I never thought twice about turning the light on with 1 hand, until it was mentioned I should try. Then the light bulb came on, what if I'm holding something in my other hand and need my WML to be activated.

For the reloading, I like to sling shot/power stroke  anyways, but I will practice both ways to release the slide.  I do know that my strong side thumb cannot reach the slide release (Japanese genes), so I will use the support side thumb to release it. 1 should be proficient in all aspects of their firearm.

The problem why the SIG Scorpion doesn't fit in the normal 1911 holster, besides being railed, the top of the slide is more square-ish instead of rounded like a traditional 1911.

changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #612 on: May 02, 2022, 03:19:04 PM »
Yup, gcode clips are much better. Nothing is protruding out.

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macsak

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #613 on: May 02, 2022, 03:25:49 PM »
Yup, gcode clips are much better. Nothing is protruding out.

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that's what she said...

aieahound

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #614 on: May 02, 2022, 03:43:01 PM »
My barrel’s at least 5+ inches.
But my clips don’t protrude too far.
I do have the Gcode though…
At least that’s what she said.

changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #615 on: May 02, 2022, 03:53:16 PM »
My barrel’s at least 5+ inches.
But my clips don’t protrude too far.
I do have the Gcode though…
At least that’s what she said.
Asian size clips

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changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #616 on: May 02, 2022, 04:13:11 PM »
that's what she said...
Heads

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changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #617 on: May 03, 2022, 09:38:46 AM »
Been doing more dry firing and I do like the feel of her. So question, how much is your thumb on the safety when shooting?  I had my entire thumb on it, but can see when the slide will recoil, that may be an issue. My thumb is adding pressure to the slide, which may slow it down from moving and cause a jam.  And cause a cut due to the edge on the bottom of the slide when it moves at high speed.

So now my thumb is more on the webbing of my support hand and touching against the side of the safety.  Pretty much same grip as I do for my VP9.

And while holstering, I can def feel the difference in the weight of a poly gun and an all metal gun.  I remember talking to a friend who's HPD and when they had the S&W 5906 (all metal) and went to Glocks, the weight difference on their belts were noticeable.

drck1000

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #618 on: May 03, 2022, 01:16:20 PM »
My index finger isn't long enough for 1 handed manipulation of the WML . Compared to the TLR-1, since it's much easier to move, the tip of my index can activate it.  Gotta use the middle finger.  2 handed operation is no problem for the lights. I use my support hand thumb since it's already near by on the frame.  Prior to the Febs handgun HDF skill builder, I never thought twice about turning the light on with 1 hand, until it was mentioned I should try. Then the light bulb came on, what if I'm holding something in my other hand and need my WML to be activated.

For the reloading, I like to sling shot/power stroke  anyways, but I will practice both ways to release the slide.  I do know that my strong side thumb cannot reach the slide release (Japanese genes), so I will use the support side thumb to release it. 1 should be proficient in all aspects of their firearm.

The problem why the SIG Scorpion doesn't fit in the normal 1911 holster, besides being railed, the top of the slide is more square-ish instead of rounded like a traditional 1911.
What's wrong with that?  You should be used to it. . .  ;D

Been doing more dry firing and I do like the feel of her. So question, how much is your thumb on the safety when shooting?  I had my entire thumb on it, but can see when the slide will recoil, that may be an issue. My thumb is adding pressure to the slide, which may slow it down from moving and cause a jam.  And cause a cut due to the edge on the bottom of the slide when it moves at high speed.

So now my thumb is more on the webbing of my support hand and touching against the side of the safety.  Pretty much same grip as I do for my VP9.

And while holstering, I can def feel the difference in the weight of a poly gun and an all metal gun.  I remember talking to a friend who's HPD and when they had the S&W 5906 (all metal) and went to Glocks, the weight difference on their belts were noticeable.
When shooting 1911 and CZ Shadow, my shooting hand thumb rides on the safety.  The safeties on my 1911 are the extended ones and forms a ramp forms a ramp for my shooting hand thumbs rides fully on, and helps with recoil mitigation.  Look up some videos from Ken Hackathorn. 

You're getting slide bite from the 1911 slide? 

I've seen folks that have their shooting hand thumb ride on the outside of the support hand thumb, but mostly because their firing hand thumb rests on the slide catch/release.  Can prevent slide from locking back after last round.  I haven't noticed that, but I've seen folks do it with Glocks, Sig metal framed handguns, etc.   

changemyoil66

Re: First 1911 in 45
« Reply #619 on: May 03, 2022, 01:23:19 PM »


You're getting slide bite from the 1911 slide? 

I've seen folks that have their shooting hand thumb ride on the outside of the support hand thumb, but mostly because their firing hand thumb rests on the slide catch/release.  Can prevent slide from locking back after last round.  I haven't noticed that, but I've seen folks do it with Glocks, Sig metal framed handguns, etc.   

No slide bite yet, but I can see this happening when I ride the thumb safety as the slide will be moving much faster than what I can accomplish by just racking it..  And not as bad as the Glock bite though.

My VP9, I used to have the riding the slide release problem. So now I make sure my thumb is on the webbing of my support hand.