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dirsh

How to buy a hangun from an individual
« on: August 24, 2012, 03:19:19 PM »
I'm still confused on how to buy a handgun from a private individual. Can someone explain it to me? Do sellers expect money up front? I'm not giving cash until I get the gun

I'm thinkin:
1. Get a bill of sale from seller
2. Go to HPD and apply for permit
3. Wait 2 weeks
4. Pick up permit
5. pay and pick up gun from seller
6. bring gun to HPD to register
7. profit
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2012, 03:40:53 PM »
All private sellers I've delt with want a deposit up front. Most do transfer at HPD.
A gun store wants payment in full, up front.
Other than that, you got the steps right. (If you already took a safety training course.)
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2012, 07:00:25 PM »
Quote from: dirsh on August 24, 2012, 03:19:19 PM
I'm still confused on how to buy a handgun from a private individual. Can someone explain it to me? Do sellers expect money up front? I'm not giving cash until I get the gun

I'm thinkin:
1. Get a bill of sale from seller. You don't necessarily need a B.O.S. just the info on the gun
2. Go to HPD and apply for permit. Check
3. Wait 2 weeks.   Check
4. Pick up permit.    Check
5. Meet seller at HPD, register gun in your name and exchange money for gun
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2012, 07:08:37 PM »
Don't forget to pay the Kingston tax and inspection
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2012, 11:23:03 PM »
Once you pay it off, just get the serial number, make, model, barrel length, and caliber of the handgun and get the permit to acquire.  You don't HAVE to have the seller meet you at HPD, but it'll may make things smoother.  If not, just make sure he signs the back of the Permit to Acquire and fills it out.  If the seller doesn't meet at the range, gun store, or his house, it IS okay to do the transfer at a police station (did my F2F handgun transfer at Kailua substation) as a police station is one of the places you're allowed to take firearms.  BK did remind of a very important step...once you have the permit to acquire, arrange with Kingkeoni to pay the KK tax and safety inspection.
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2012, 11:44:27 PM »
Or, go to the free part of the us.
Give seller cash. Seller gives you gun.
Done deal.
I am sick of people here in hawaii just being happy that your state government is TURNING YOUR RIGHT INTO A PRIVILAGE!!!
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2012, 11:47:23 PM »
On that note can I walk ina store in Arizona or Nevada and buy a handgun and bring it home and register it within the 72 hrs?
« Last Edit: August 24, 2012, 11:55:56 PM by Bigkahuna808 »
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2012, 12:04:59 AM »
Quote from: Bigkahuna808 on August 24, 2012, 11:47:23 PM
On that note can I walk ina store in Arizona or Nevada and buy a handgun and bring it home and register it within the 72 hrs?

You have to be a resident of that state.
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2012, 12:10:42 AM »
Most times i take a deposit of $100

Let the buyer apply for his permit. Pay me in full when he picks it up.

Make sure you get the permit number.

If you dont trust the guy meet him at hpd. You can also call hpd after 3 days to see if the guy transfered it.

You also can write a letter to hpd telling them you sold it to the person. Either mail it or drop it off at hpd.
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2012, 12:12:22 AM »
Quote from: SpeedTek on August 25, 2012, 12:04:59 AM
You have to be a resident of that state.

Probably applies to FTF transactions too, right?  Can a friend who is a resident purchase and resell to me?  I'm thinking no.
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2012, 12:51:35 AM »
Quote from: 42itus on August 25, 2012, 12:12:22 AM
Probably applies to FTF transactions too, right?  Can a friend who is a resident purchase and resell to me?  I'm thinking no.

If he's purchasing it with the intent of reselling it to you, that's some REALLY bad juju... http://www.dontlie.org/why.cfm

As Speedtek said, in order to buy a handgun, you need to be a resident in that state your purchasing (otherwise you have to send it to an FFL in your state for a transfer).  Having someone else buy it for you is not a good idea..
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2012, 03:06:29 AM »
Quote from: SpeedTek on August 25, 2012, 12:04:59 AM
You have to be a resident of that state.

I thought only certain states, some states just check your ID and do the instant background check?  Depending on the dealer?  Alaska? They are still a lot more free than the rest of the country.
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2012, 03:28:20 AM »
Quote from: Heavies on August 25, 2012, 03:06:29 AM
I thought only certain states, some states just check your ID and do the instant background check?  Depending on the dealer?  Alaska? They are still a lot more free than the rest of the country.

I'm pretty sure that for handguns, you need to be a resident of that state. For long guns, some will allow you to purchase from out of state, but it has to be from an FFL.
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #13 on: August 25, 2012, 06:29:18 AM »
Quote from: 2aHawaii on August 25, 2012, 03:28:20 AM
I'm pretty sure that for handguns, you need to be a resident of that state. For long guns, some will allow you to purchase from out of state, but it has to be from an FFL.

I regularly buy longarms on the mainland.  I hand the gun store (or pawn shop (or Wal-Mart)) employee my ID and some money.  They hand me the gun.  I walk out.  End of story.

I've only bought one handgun while on the mainland.  It was in Nevada, and it worked exactly the same way.  ID.  Money.  Gun.  Door.  Again, at a gun store. 

So, while I don't know that it works that way in every state, I can assure you, it works that way in at least some of them!
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2012, 07:42:40 AM »
That's what I heard it was like in Nevada.  Grab and go.  But I didnt want to get my hopes up unless someone else could verify this experience
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Haoleb

Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2012, 08:42:08 AM »
When I bought my two handguns in Maine before I left, you just walk in. Fill out a form with some basic info, they call it into NICS and make sure your not a felon and if everything checks out you walk out gun in hand 10 minutes later. No prior safety classes, permits, registering.. nothing. I can also open carry there and it is a "shall issue" concealed carry state.

I'll be happy when I go back :)
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Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2012, 08:42:43 AM »
I forgot to add, that you do have to be a resident though.
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hnl.flyboy

Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2012, 12:58:23 PM »
Quote from: Heavies on August 25, 2012, 03:06:29 AM
I thought only certain states, some states just check your ID and do the instant background check?  Depending on the dealer?  Alaska? They are still a lot more free than the rest of the country.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#gca-unlicensed-acquire

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A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee’s premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]


Even simply owning property in another state doesn't necessarily mean you can buy a handgun in that state.
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#state-purchase

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If a person maintains a home in 2 States and resides in both States for certain periods of the year, he or she may, during the period of time the person actually resides in a particular State, purchase a handgun in that State. However, simply owning property in another State does not qualify the person to purchase a handgun in that State.

[27 CFR 478.11]
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hnl.flyboy

Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2012, 01:01:04 PM »
I just re-read the ATF links I posted.  It says you can't purchase it from a "licensee" (FFL)...but it's vague on F2F transactions.  I'm not too sure now.  You'd probably have to look up state laws too.
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dirsh

Re: How to buy a hangun from an individual
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2012, 07:19:53 PM »
ok so the seller has requested we meet at HPD to do the transfer. should I just apply for the permit, wait 2 weeks, and then meet again at HPD to accept the gun? I would give a deposit but I really don't want to pay in full before getting the gun. Should I be worried about him running off with my money? What would happen if I paid him, got the permit, and he never gave me the gun? When would I ever get to check it out since we can't take it out in public?
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