We create initiatives to further certain races over others?

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/05/28/president-biden-appoints-hawaii-native-to-lead-new-aapi-initiative/

This is a good way to funnel more money into the program.  Attacks on Asians have been going on for years.  It's just that the fake news wasn't reporting on it.  The DNC is losing the Asian vote because they vote by their wallets and have seen the good that Trump was doing for the economy.  Now enter Biden and how stuff is falling apart, they need something to get the Asian vote back before it's too late.

The attacks on Asians aren't due to mainly blacks hating Asians. It's because Asians are easy targets.  The culture is to not fight back or stand up for yourself.  Then add in the older generation doesn't have the knowledge of self defense related things like the 2a, OC spray, situational awareness, etc...

But their children and grand children are slowly learning.  Hence the DNC losing their votes.

Also people forget that the Biden DOJ dropped the suit that was going to prosecute Yale for discriminating against Asians the second he got in office.

https://thepostmillennial.com/popeyes-drive-thru-sign-under-criminal-investigation-will-reserve-the-right-to-refuse-service-to-white-people




Sign at Popeyes drive-thru under criminal investigation: 'Will reserve the right to refuse service to white people’

Are they also going to stop serving white meat?

Attacks on Asians have been going on for years.  It's just that the fake news wasn't reporting on it.  The attacks on Asians aren't due to mainly blacks hating Asians.

America has always had a history of hating Asians, particularly Chinese people, going all the way back to the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which was only repealed, when China was its ally against Japan in WWII.

Acts of violence against Chinese people was never color blind, as they were subjected to horrendous brutality, discrimination, as well as death, as in the case of the Rock Springs massacre of 1885 and the Hells Canyon massacre of 1887, perpetrated by White Americans.  Consequently, ethnic Chinese living, in the now US empire, should not at all be surprised, by the current waves of violence, in their communities, committed by all other races today.

America has always had a history of hating Asians, particularly Chinese people, going all the way back to the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, which was only repealed, when China was its ally against Japan in WWII.

Acts of violence against Chinese people was never color blind, as they were subjected to horrendous brutality, discrimination, as well as death, as in the case of the Rock Springs massacre of 1885 and the Hells Canyon massacre of 1887, perpetrated by White Americans.  Consequently, ethnic Chinese living, in the now US empire, should not at all be surprised, by the current waves of violence, in their communities, committed by all other races today.

So, it's your belief that the US has not progressed in its views of racial equality since the 1800s?  Seems like there are a large number of racially diverse members of Congress, in the Justice Department, State Department, Department of Defense, etc, etc, etc.  Are you seriously saying that people of Asian ancestry in government are today (not the 1800s) still perpetuating policies of violence against the Chinese?

Saying a given behavior or prejudice "goes back to 1887" is a shrewd way of saying the problem has been part of the culture for so long that the people are unable to evolve beyond their hatred. 

is that what you're saying?

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Jerry LEWIS is not exactly representative of the US government, or should I say "Empire?"

So, it's your belief that the US has not progressed in its views of racial equality since the 1800s?  Seems like there are a large number of racially diverse members of Congress, in the Justice Department, State Department, Department of Defense, etc, etc, etc.  Are you seriously saying that people of Asian ancestry in government are today (not the 1800s) still perpetuating policies of violence against the Chinese?

Saying a given behavior or prejudice "goes back to 1887" is a shrewd way of saying the problem has been part of the culture for so long that the people are unable to evolve beyond their hatred. 

is that what you're saying?

There has been a number of laws enacted since the 19th Century that have curbed discrimination and/or racist behavior.  However, although generalizations of racism, bigotry, and/or discrimination would be inaccurate, it would also be inaccurate to say the US empire or any other nation, for that matter, to claim such attitudes does not exist, within their respective populations.

Even in countries that are racially homogeneous, it would not beyond the realm of possibility that ethnocentric attitudes exist, against other races living outside their borders.  As it pertains to today's US empire, there are millions of good people, who do not judge or display bigoted attitudes to their fellow men and women; however, there are millions of others that at least harbor those attitudes and thousands, of that group, who act on those beliefs to the extent they can skirt the prevailing laws.

As you are an astute student of history, you should already know hatreds, especially racial, ethnic, color, religious, etc. do not die over time.  Similar to the first law of thermodynamics, emotions can not be created or destroyed.  Once the manifestation of hate exists, the best society can achieve is to create laws, to prevent those emotions, from translating to mal-benevolent actions.  Unfortunately, laws can only do so much, as seen in the prevention of crimes. 

The only reason why the US empire has and will forever have a race problem is for the simple fact, of its heterogenous population.  No heterogenous empire or nation has ever survived the test of time.  If fact, one could argue, the fall, of the many nations and empires this planet has ever seen, was heavily influenced due to its multiracial/multiethnic population, amongst other factors.

Case-in-point, the Hawaiian Kingdom was a multiracial/multiethnic nation.  Although it could not be said that the aboriginal Hawaiians were not ethnocentric, they were far less racist than the Americans of their era.  The only mistake the Hawaiian Kingdom made was giving trust, to those Hawaiian nationals, of American decent.  In fact, it can be substantially argued the racist behaviors that exist in Hawaii today are a direct result, of the American descended plantation owners living in Hawaii that made sure the Republican White population would continue to politically and economically dominate Hawaii, until the next big mistake in 1959, that allowed the other cheek, of the same buttock, the Democrats, to dominate till this day.

There has been a number of laws enacted since the 19th Century that have curbed discrimination and/or racist behavior.  However, although generalizations of racism, bigotry, and/or discrimination would be inaccurate, it would also be inaccurate to say the US empire or any other nation, for that matter, to claim such attitudes does not exist, within their respective populations.

Even in countries that are racially homogeneous, it would not beyond the realm of possibility that ethnocentric attitudes exist, against other races living outside their borders.  As it pertains to today's US empire, there are millions of good people, who do not judge or display bigoted attitudes to their fellow men and women; however, there are millions of others that at least harbor those attitudes and thousands, of that group, who act on those beliefs to the extent they can skirt the prevailing laws.

As you are an astute student of history, you should already know hatreds, especially racial, ethnic, color, religious, etc. do not die over time.  Similar to the first law of thermodynamics, emotions can not be created or destroyed.  Once the manifestation of hate exists, the best society can achieve is to create laws, to prevent those emotions, from translating to mal-benevolent actions.  Unfortunately, laws can only do so much, as seen in the prevention of crimes. 

The only reason why the US empire has and will forever have a race problem is for the simple fact, of its heterogenous population.  No heterogenous empire or nation has ever survived the test of time.  If fact, one could argue, the fall, of the many nations and empires this planet has ever seen, was heavily influenced due to its multiracial/multiethnic population, amongst other factors.

Case-in-point, the Hawaiian Kingdom was a multiracial/multiethnic nation.  Although it could not be said that the aboriginal Hawaiians were not ethnocentric, they were far less racist than the Americans of their era.  The only mistake the Hawaiian Kingdom made was giving trust, to those Hawaiian nationals, of American decent.  In fact, it can be substantially argued the racist behaviors that exist in Hawaii today are a direct result, of the American descended plantation owners living in Hawaii that made sure the Republican White population would continue to politically and economically dominate Hawaii, until the next big mistake in 1959, that allowed the other cheek, of the same buttock, the Democrats, to dominate till this day.

you should already know hatreds, especially racial, ethnic, color, religious, etc. do not die over time.
Sorry.  I disagree.  The number one "cure" for hatred of members of a group is to interact with the individual members of those groups.  Laws such as desegregation gave both sides of the "racial battle lines" an opportunity to meet and cooperate with others "not like themselves."  That is ONE way in which hatred dies over time.  Painting everyone of a race as the same is born of ignorance.  Living, learning and working together breaks down those prejudices.  Not saying it's a guaranteed solution, but it definitely works for most people no matter how strongly they believe in the racial stereotypes.  Direct observation and interaction often contradicts unfounded beliefs.

The only reason why the US empire has and will forever have a race problem is for the simple fact, of its heterogenous population.
While the two must exist for there to be racial discord -- can't have racial prejudice among just one race -- I have to believe that the POLITICIANS who continue to treat us all as "classes" is what causes the division, not just the variety of racial groups here.  "The people" are not "their government."  The politicians use conflict and division to win power.  Pitting people against each other using income, race, sexuality, abortion, guns, etc. is what makes the nation weaker.  Not all of these categories is about race. Hence, the tactic is obviously not one of unity between ANY of those groups.  Race is just one issue that has gotten worse since the 1980s IMHO.  It is due to, not hatred, but constant messaging that White people are bad and all other races are inherently better.  Refer to "Critical Race Theory" as an example of how the "hatred" is being taught.  That dogma originated in its recent form under Marxism.

In explaining critical race theory, it helps to begin with a brief history of Marxism. Originally,
the Marxist Left built its political program on the theory of class conflict. Marx believed that
the primary characteristic of industrial societies was the imbalance of power between capitalists
and workers. The solution to that imbalance, according to Marx, was revolution: the workers
would eventually gain consciousness of their plight, seize the means of production, overthrow
the capitalist class, and usher in a new socialist society.

During the 20th century, a number of regimes underwent Marxist-style revolutions, and each
ended in disaster. Socialist governments in the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, Cuba, and
elsewhere racked up a body count of nearly 100 million of their own people. They are remembered
for their gulags, show trials, executions, and mass starvations. In practice, Marx’s ideas unleashed
man’s darkest brutalities.

By the mid-1960s, Marxist intellectuals in the West had begun to acknowledge these failures. They
recoiled at revelations of Soviet atrocities and came to realize that workers’ revolutions would never
occur in Western Europe or the United States, where there were large middle classes and rapidly
improving standards of living. Americans in particular had never developed a sense of class consciousness
or class division. Most Americans believed in the American dream—the idea that they could transcend
their origins through education, hard work, and good citizenship.

But rather than abandon their Leftist political project, Marxist scholars in the West simply adapted
their revolutionary theory to the social and racial unrest of the 1960s. Abandoning Marx’s economic
dialectic of capitalists and workers, they substituted race for class and sought to create a revolutionary
coalition of the dispossessed based on racial and ethnic categories.

https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/critical-race-theory-fight/

"Divide and conquer" is nothing new.  Aspiring leaders will use any class designations to pit sides against each other to gain power.  Look at todays Right vs. Left, Democrat vs. Republican, Trumpers vs. Anti-Trumpers, Abortion Rights vs. Right to Life, 2A vs. anti-Gunners, Public Schools vs. School Vouchers, etc, etc.  Race is just one venue for the power-hungry to drive a wedge and get support for their side.

I know kids that thought other races were bad because they heard their parents talk about it.  But, when they meet someone of those races who don't represent the stereotypes they were taught -- someone more like themselves than even others in their race are -- it changes their minds.  I've seen it.  It happens.

In my experience, racial conflict is not so much a matter of hatred as it is ignorance and poor life examples.

Ethnic minorities have always had far better prospects in the USA than the PRC, which has present-day genocide campaigns

Ethnic minorities have always had far better prospects in the USA than the PRC, which has present-day genocide campaigns

Don't know how the comparisons to the PRC fits in this discussion, but your statement is correct to a certain point.

However, keep in mind the allowance of ethnic minorities works well for the bottom lines, of those players, in Wall Street.  However, it does nothing to increase the income levels, of the domestically born nationals, on Main Street.

you should already know hatreds, especially racial, ethnic, color, religious, etc. do not die over time.
Sorry.  I disagree.  The number one "cure" for hatred of members of a group is to interact with the individual members of those groups.  Laws such as desegregation gave both sides of the "racial battle lines" an opportunity to meet and cooperate with others "not like themselves."  That is ONE way in which hatred dies over time.  Painting everyone of a race as the same is born of ignorance.  Living, learning and working together breaks down those prejudices.  Not saying it's a guaranteed solution, but it definitely works for most people no matter how strongly they believe in the racial stereotypes.  Direct observation and interaction often contradicts unfounded beliefs.

Totally true in a theoretical and academic sense.

However, there are too many examples to the contrary (Ireland and England, the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Japan and Okinawa, etc.).  In each, of those examples, the peoples in those countries all experienced periods, of national unity, interracial marriage, etc., but what can we say regarding race relations, of those places today?  Ireland became independent, from the UK; Yugoslavia returned to the nation states they once were; the ethnic genocide in Rwanda temporarily stopped; and the Japanese still look differently, to the Okinawans.

Question:  What is the one thing that all of those examples have in-common?

Answer:  Hatred that one would think education and understanding would have prevailed, but it didn't.

In my experience, racial conflict is not so much a matter of hatred as it is ignorance and poor life examples.

Once again. theoretically and ideally 100% correct, but not true 100%, of the time, in-practice.

Question:  Is today's racial and ethnic hatred and mistrust between  Asia vs. Japan, North vs. South Korea, Irish vs. English, French vs. English, Hawaiians vs. Americans all due to ignorance and poor life's examples?

Answer:  I think not.

Totally true in a theoretical and academic sense.

However, there are too many examples to the contrary (Ireland and England, the former Yugoslavia, Rwanda, Japan and Okinawa, etc.).  In each, of those examples, the peoples in those countries all experienced periods, of national unity, interracial marriage, etc., but what can we say regarding race relations, of those places today?  Ireland became independent, from the UK; Yugoslavia returned to the nation states they once were; the ethnic genocide in Rwanda temporarily stopped; and the Japanese still look differently, to the Okinawans.

Question:  What is the one thing that all of those examples have in-common?

Answer:  Hatred that one would think education and understanding would have prevailed, but it didn't.


Once again. theoretically and ideally 100% correct, but not true 100%, of the time, in-practice.

Question:  Is today's racial and ethnic hatred and mistrust between  Asia vs. Japan, North vs. South Korea, Irish vs. English, French vs. English, Hawaiians vs. Americans all due to ignorance and poor life's examples?

Answer:  I think not.

An awful lot of your examples are not racially based hatred, but rather political/national hatred.  The example of the Irish vs. England has everything to do with oppressive acts by the English to maintain control over Ireland (and the Scottish, etc.).  Japan was a brutal empire that perpetrated horrendous acts against other nations.  I'm going to leave Hawaii alone, since you are just a tick away from another thread derailment!   

When you combine Racial hatred with Ethnic hatred in the same context, you're admitting your original comments about racial hatred are not exactly correct in the examples you gave.  Different ethnicities exist among people of the same race.  English and Irish are Caucasian.  Japanese and Koreans are Asians. 

This thread is about racism.  Your previous comments dealt with racial hatred and the like.  Now, you're branching off into areas of ethnicity among people of the same race.

You're basically giving more examples that prove my previous point.  That people can be divided and conquered according to a number of classes, not just race. 

Let's refocus on racism and avoid the examples that have less to do with race and more to do with ethnicity, national identity and so forth.

Let's refocus on racism and avoid the examples that have less to do with race and more to do with ethnicity, national identity and so forth.

I agree.

From an earlier post of mine, the following are the definitions, which I understand that their respective terms to be:

Prejudice - a situation when a person negatively pre-judges another person or group without getting to know the beliefs, thoughts, and feelings behind their words and actions. A person of any racial group can be prejudiced towards a person of any other racial group. There is no power dynamic involved.

Bigotry - a situation that is stronger than prejudice, a more severe mindset and often accompanied by discriminatory behavior. It’s arrogant and mean-spirited, but requires neither systems nor power to engage in.

Racism - a system that allows the racial group that’s already in power to retain power.


With respect to the intent of this thread and based on the definitions above, there is no legislative and/or administrative way to curb institutional racism.  No matter what so-called laws are passed, those in-power will stay in-power.  Just because Obama was the first Black token president, that does not mean the unwritten glass ceiling, for all other non-White races, vying for political power, has been shattered.  Education and understanding can go a long way to improve the race relations, in any nation, but since there will always be those secretly harboring prejudice and bigotry, against minority races; racism, as it relates to maintaining the power structure, of the dominant race, will always be supported, by the aforementioned, and a ongoing social problem, that will ultimately led to the demise, of heterogenous nation states.

I agree.

From an earlier post of mine, the following are the definitions, which I understand that their respective terms to be:

Prejudice - a situation when a person negatively pre-judges another person or group without getting to know the beliefs, thoughts, and feelings behind their words and actions. A person of any racial group can be prejudiced towards a person of any other racial group. There is no power dynamic involved.

Bigotry - a situation that is stronger than prejudice, a more severe mindset and often accompanied by discriminatory behavior. It’s arrogant and mean-spirited, but requires neither systems nor power to engage in.

Racism - a system that allows the racial group that’s already in power to retain power.


With respect to the intent of this thread and based on the definitions above, there is no legislative and/or administrative way to curb institutional racism.  No matter what so-called laws are passed, those in-power will stay in-power.  Just because Obama was the first Black token president, that does mean the unwritten glass ceiling, for all other non-White races, vying for political power, has been shattered.  Education and understanding can go a long way to improve the race relations, in any nation, but since there will always be those secretly harboring prejudice and bigotry, against minority races; racism, as it relates to maintaining the power structure, of the dominant race, will always be supported, by the aforementioned, and a ongoing social problem, that will ultimately led to the demise, of heterogenous nation states.

I'm an Occam's razor sort of guy.
I don't need all the re-interpretations most you guys come up with.
Simply put is I don't like your culture.
Period.
That is all.
Having said that, how do we co-exist
without killing each other?
That is where liberals fail.

I'm an Occam's razor sort of guy.
I don't need all the re-interpretations most you guys come up with.
Simply put is I don't like your culture.
Period.
That is all.
Having said that, how do we co-exist
without killing each other?
That is where liberals fail.

I think it's more basic than that.  The people not in power want to be in power.  Unless that happens, they will always find a rationale as to why the incumbents need to be ousted. That rationale can be based on policy positions and corruption, but most times to me it seems the complaints tend to focus on more subjective grounds.

People have been taught that people in power only benefit others like themselves -- rich, white, male, etc.  Funny how so many advancements in US history have occurred under these people and have affected so many who are unlike them.

I won't even begin to list the benefits, but one of the biggest is the poverty level.  People categorized in the US as in poverty have a higher quality of life than people in poverty in almost any other country, and at one time higher than any other country.  Opportunity in this country abounds.  Even in the face of "systemic racism", we have volumes of successful people of color (all races) in this country.  So, while the race relations of individuals might be a tough nut to crack, the SYSTEM that people say is racist seems to afford opportunities to all people regardless of classification or category. 

The players of the NBA and NFL agree by a large margin.   

People have been taught that people in power only benefit others like themselves -- rich, white, male, etc.  Funny how so many advancements in US history have occurred under these people and have affected so many who are unlike them.

Keen observation, but I am glad that you did not value judge the advancements, by the race you give credit, as 100% positive, for the other races you refer.

I won't even begin to list the benefits, but one of the biggest is the poverty level.  People categorized in the US as in poverty have a higher quality of life than people in poverty in almost any other country, and at one time higher than any other country.  Opportunity in this country abounds.  Even in the face of "systemic racism", we have volumes of successful people of color (all races) in this country.  So, while the race relations of individuals might be a tough nut to crack, the SYSTEM that people say is racist seems to afford opportunities to all people regardless of classification or category.

Although I do believe the US empire still has some opportunity for advancing one's social-economic well-being, the days of being able to achieve the so-called American Dream are way long gone, for most people.

The gap between the have and have nots have only gotten worse; the standard of living may have gone-up for the middle class, but definitely not for the poor and homeless, government assistance notwithstanding; and education might be available for all, but most college students today will unfortunately be paying their students loans for many, of their working years, assuming they get a living wage job and not going bankrupt, in that process.

The players of the NBA and NFL agree by a large margin.   

Professional athletes are outliers and should not be included in any tally, of a nation's social-economic opportunities.

Having said that, how do we co-exist
without killing each other?
That is where liberals fail.

Liberals are not inherently unreasonable, but Marxists definitely are. All they care about is power and convincing the working class to rise up in glorious revolution in order to put them and their intellectual friends in positions of power that they are not qualified for and do not deserve. Most sane people who know even a slight bit of history are well aware how dangerous Marxism is and ignore most of what they have to say, but at some point they figured out that they could get a lot of attention by talking about race.

So in a few short years we went from having a black president to being "institutionally racist" not based on reality, but because some crazy people want to be in charge of everything and are willing to destroy our civilization in order to accomplish those goals.