Archie Bunker on gun control

I wanted to get some context as to the time period when this was being discussed. The quick skim of crime statistic data showed that there was a massive surge in gun crime in the early 70s to the 80s was almost exclusively in big cities. Surprise those states and cities all had Democrat Governors and Mayors at the time. The rise was directly tied to street gang violence and organized crime

Also, gun crime rates have dropped massively beginning in  the 90s (and are still dropping even if the TV pretends its not). I am guessing the 70s-80s Cocaine Cowboy wars probably blew stats thru the roof for a dozen plus years.

Am I racist for pointing out that the gangs they mention as creating all the gun violence werent White?

I wanted to get some context as to the time period when this was being discussed. The quick skim of crime statistic data showed that there was a massive surge in gun crime in the early 70s to the 80s was almost exclusively in big cities. Surprise those states and cities all had Democrat Governors and Mayors at the time. The rise was directly tied to street gang violence and organized crime

Also, gun crime rates have dropped massively beginning in  the 90s (and are still dropping even if the TV pretends its not). I am guessing the 70s-80s Cocaine Cowboy wars probably blew stats thru the roof for a dozen plus years.

Am I racist for pointing out that the gangs they mention as creating all the gun violence werent White?

The 70s and early 80s also experienced one of the worst recessions in US history.  Double-digit inflation, 20%+ consumer loans, gas prices out the roof, gas shortages, foreclosures, businesses going under, wide scale unemployment, and a national drug problem that was killing people in the tens of thousands per year in the late 1970s.

Illegal drug markets create a long list of associated crimes and problems.  It's why the war of drugs started in the 1980s.  The people wanted something done, and that was the President's answer at the time.  Here's a very thorough exploration of what might be the reasons and causes of the 1980s "illegal drug panic":

The late 1980s witnessed a drug "panic," "crisis," or "scare" (Levine and Reinarman, 1988, 1987; Reinarman
and Levine, 1989; Goode, 1990). Public concern about drug use, although it had been building throughout the
1980s, fairly exploded late in 1985 and early in 1986. And the drug that was the special target of public concern
was cocaine, more specifically, crack, a cocaine derivative. Drug use generally came to be seen as a—some say
the—social problem of the decade. Drug use, abuse, and misuse emerged into the limelight as perhaps never
before. It is possible that in no other decade has the issue of drugs occupied such a huge and troubling space
in the public consciousness. And it is possible that no specific drug has dominated center stage in this concern
as crack cocaine did between 1986 and, roughly, late 1989 to early 1990.

https://druglibrary.org/special/goode/drugpanic.htm

Am I racist for pointing out that the gangs they mention as creating all the gun violence werent White?

A lot depends on what definition is being used and the context that statement was being made.

For me, racism is a system that allows any racial group that’s already in power to retain power; hence, a racist person is someone, who advocates and actively participates, in the creation and maintenance, of that hierarchy.

Based on the definition I use, your statement is not at all racist, as it has nothing to do, with perpetuating a particular racial power structure.  However, if your next statement was to the effect of "Non-white people should not be allowed to own guns, due to the preponderance, of gun-related crimes, in their communities".   That would be a racist statement, as it would be protecting the right (power) to own guns, only to one particular race.

A lot depends on what definition is being used and the context that statement was being made.

For me, racism is a system that allows any racial group that’s already in power to retain power; hence, a racist person is someone, who advocates and actively participates in the creation and maintenance, of that hierarchy.

Based on the definition I use, your statement is not at all racist, as it has nothing to do, with perpetuating a particular racial power structure.  However, if your next statement was to the effect of "Non-white people should not be allowed to own guns, due to the preponderance, of gun-related crimes, in their communities".   That would be a racist statement, as it would be protecting the right (power) to own guns, only to one particular race.

Unfortunately, the logic you say we should not use regarding race and gun ownership is exactly the logic being used for other groups.

Not all felons commit crimes with guns (or violent crimes at all), yet all felons are prohibited from owning guns.

Same is true of domestic abusers, drug abusers, drunk drivers, people seeking treatment or counseling for emotional health issues, etc.

Simply belonging to a "class" determined to be untrustworthy with guns will have their civil right to own a gun violated.  Obama included Social Security recipients who have someone else managing their money as a prohibited class, and the courts shot that down.  Once they started defining classes of people for their policies, it was just a matter of including more and more classes without having to consider an individual's fitness to own guns.

The 70s and early 80s also experienced one of the worst recessions in US history.  Double-digit inflation, 20%+ consumer loans, gas prices out the roof, gas shortages, foreclosures, businesses going under, wide scale unemployment, and a national drug problem that was killing people in the hundreds of thousands per year.

Illegal drug markets create a long list of associated crimes and problems.  It's why the war of drugs started in the 1980s.  The people wanted something done, and that was the President's answer at the time.  Here's a very thorough exploration of what might be the reasons and causes of the 1980s "illegal drug panic":
https://druglibrary.org/special/goode/drugpanic.htm

I've made comments about my prejudice against certain cultures.
I also think the theory of "natural selection" is very compelling.
Most all drugs should be legal.
Not my job to decide the fate, of another adult hominoid.
If they Fuk up and die there is no direct personal cost to
me.
At a Macro level, eventually the stupid will die off.
 

Unfortunately, the logic you say we should not use regarding race and gun ownership is exactly the logic being used for other groups.

Not all felons commit crimes with guns (or violent crimes at all), yet all felons are prohibited from owning guns.

Same is true of domestic abusers, drug abusers, drunk drivers, people seeking treatment or counseling for emotional health issues, etc.

Simply belonging to a "class" determined to be untrustworthy with guns will have their civil right to own a gun violated.  Obama included Social Security recipients who have someone else managing their money as a prohibited class, and the courts shot that down.  Once they started defining classes of people for their policies, it was just a matter of including more and more classes without having to consider an individual's fitness to own guns.

Excellent and unfortunate point, as you mentioned Flapp.

It is tragic that the utilization of groups or classes in laws have translated to other areas, particularly in gun ownership, to truly unfair and/or unintended effect.  However, let's not forget the motives behind gun control is in the interest, of the power okole.  Nevertheless, reckless lumping of people into sometimes politically motivated arbitrary classes, in order to favor another particular class, is definitely another derivative form of racism, as well.

The way things are going, I would not be surprised, if the power okole influence legislation that requires a certain level of income, which only the wealthy possess, as a legal requirement to vote, own guns, or run for political office.

A lot depends on what definition is being used and the context that statement was being made.

For me, racism is a system that allows any racial group that’s already in power to retain power; hence, a racist person is someone, who advocates and actively participates, in the creation and maintenance, of that hierarchy.

Based on the definition I use, your statement is not at all racist, as it has nothing to do, with perpetuating a particular racial power structure.  However, if your next statement was to the effect of "Non-white people should not be allowed to own guns, due to the preponderance, of gun-related crimes, in their communities".   That would be a racist statement, as it would be protecting the right (power) to own guns, only to one particular race.

Sorry my  'Am I racist?' comment was a rhetorical question. Someone calling you that now days is just hilarious and only used by crybabies idiots who never in their lifetime experienced actual Racism, well... unless they applied for a job or enrollment in a university and didnt get it because of diversity quotas.

Excellent and unfortunate point, as you mentioned Flapp.

It is tragic that the utilization of groups or classes in laws have translated to other areas, particularly in gun ownership, to truly unfair and/or unintended effect.  However, let's not forget the motives behind gun control is in the interest, of the power okole.  Nevertheless, reckless lumping of people into sometimes politically motivated arbitrary classes, in order to favor another particular class, is definitely another derivative form of racism, as well.

The way things are going, I would not be surprised, if the power okole influence legislation that requires a certain level of income, which only the wealthy possess, as a legal requirement to vote, own guns, or run for political office.

That was already attempted when the Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed in part to ban Saturday Night Specials. 

The rationale was that poor people were able to use guns because they could afford the SNS.  So, lawmakers intended to make available guns more expensive by banning the cheaper ones.  I guess they never heard of "economies of scale," or the secondhand market  As demand for the 9mm lines increased, the prices fell.  Dealers could make the same profit by selling more guns for lower prices.  Get rid of one option, another fills that void.

Trying to price something out of the hands of the lower class normally doesn't usually work in the US.  If it exists, anyone can find a way to obtain it.  Illegal drugs are a good example.  People who are always broke seem to have the money to buy drugs.

That was already attempted when the Gun Control Act of 1968 was passed in part to ban Saturday Night Specials. 

Not to mention the tax stamp system. $200 was a whole lot of money back then.

Not to mention the tax stamp system. $200 was a whole lot of money back then.

Yep, a few mobsters ruined full-auto ownership for everybody -- except for criminals!

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This resurrected over flogged horse of 60s hippy dippy flashback to RACISM IS EVERYWHERE! is a full court press PsyOp to stifle any objections to Globalists and their super sh*tty anti-freedom Policies.  You dont want your countries borders dissolved? You are Racist. You dont want your job shipped over seas to a person who will do it for pennies? You are a Racist! You don't want Chinese Communists buying up everything to Belt & Road all business away from you? You are Racist!

The speech control is obvious, the end goal was what they were hiding. And a Globalist agenda knows no party lines. It's the wealthy and powerful trying to make a 'new' caste system that will look a like the Middle Ages.

Shut up and work the land peasant so we can tax you so hard you are never able to rise above your station.

This resurrected over flogged horse of 60s hippy dippy flashback to RACISM IS EVERYWHERE! is a full court press PsyOp to stifle any objections to Globalists and their super sh*tty anti-freedom Policies.  You dont want your countries borders dissolved? You are Racist. You dont want your job shipped over seas to a person who will do it for pennies? You are a Racist! You don't want Chinese Communists buying up everything to Belt & Road all business away from you? You are Racist!

The speech control is obvious, the end goal was what they were hiding. And a Globalist agenda knows no party lines. It's the wealthy and powerful trying to make a 'new' caste system that will look a like the Middle Ages.

Shut up and work the land peasant so we can tax you so hard you are never able to rise above your station.

The party that champions diversity, affirmative action, critical race theory, and racial "equity" (vs. equality) is also the party of slavery, civil rights legislation opposition, Jim Crow laws, and Black Lives Matter.

This same party that is anti-"Old White Male patriarchy" just put the oldest, whitest male ever in the White House.

It's like dealing with a 3 year old whose favorite food yesterday was mashed potatoes, and today can't stand them -- and you made extra because it's THEIR FAVORITE. 

I've held the opinion for over 40 years that there just isn't any pleasing the Democrats/Leftists/Socialists/Liberals/Progressives.  You give them what they ask for, and they demand something else.  Never happy -- always bitter -- always a victim.

The party that champions diversity, affirmative action, critical race theory, and racial "equity" (vs. equality) is also the party of slavery, civil rights legislation opposition, Jim Crow laws, and Black Lives Matter.

This same party that is anti-"Old White Male patriarchy" just put the oldest, whitest male ever in the White House.

It's like dealing with a 3 year old whose favorite food yesterday was mashed potatoes, and today can't stand them -- and you made extra because it's THEIR FAVORITE. 

I've held the opinion for over 40 years that there just isn't any pleasing the Democrats/Leftists/Socialists/Liberals/Progressives.  You give them what they ask for, and they demand something else.  Never happy -- always bitter -- always a victim.

This isn't a support for the democrats methods,  but parties do change Republicans changed for the better Regan and changed again for the worse during Trump.  Abortion and religion preaching are newish concepts.  You should realize this as you lived for so long....

This isn't a support for the democrats methods,  but parties do change Republicans changed for the better Regan and changed again for the worse during Trump.  Abortion and religion preaching are newish concepts.  You should realize this as you lived for so long....

please show definitively that "Abortion and religion preaching are newish concepts."
or did you leave out, "in my opinion"?

please show definitively that "Abortion and religion preaching are newish concepts."
or did you leave out, "in my opinion"?

Didn't you know that his word is Gospel truth!

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please show definitively that "Abortion and religion preaching are newish concepts."
or did you leave out, "in my opinion"?

There's been many research papers on this....
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8274866/

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1354068899005004004

There's been many research papers on this....
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8274866/

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1354068899005004004

from the late 1970s into the 1990s
22-32 years is "newish"?

This isn't a support for the democrats methods,  but parties do change Republicans changed for the better Regan and changed again for the worse during Trump.  Abortion and religion preaching are newish concepts.  You should realize this as you lived for so long....

The Democrats have not changed.  They still use race as a means to obtain and maintain political power.

The popular views and legal landscape may change, but their willingness to use any and all available means to divide us for their own gain never stops.

from the late 1970s into the 1990s
22-32 years is "newish"?

Yes, if you look at the amount of time the parties existed...