These are acts of War (Read 5019 times)

Glasser

These are acts of War
« on: June 01, 2021, 08:28:45 AM »
First they attacked fuel pipelines. Now they are going after food. Why dont I believe them when they say its Russians?

https://breaking911.com/breaking-worlds-largest-meatpacker-jbs-hit-by-ransomware-attack-wh-confirms-plants-halt-slaughter/

World’s Largest Meatpacker JBS Hit By Ransomware Attack, WH Confirms; Plants Halt Slaughter

omnigun

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2021, 08:39:22 AM »
If you don't believe them saying its the Russians who do you think it is?  The democrats?  :crazy: :crazy: LOL

Money makes the world go round,  everyone wants money,  it ain't always political.

Glasser

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2021, 08:48:39 AM »
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2020/03/17/first-no-collusion-now-no-actual-russians-in-muellers-disastrous-russian-collusion-illusion-n382651

First No Collusion, Now No Actual *Russians* in Mueller's Disastrous Russian Collusion Illusion

The charges against three Russian “bot” farms and 13 individuals in Mueller’s so-called Russian collusion case were dropped with prejudice on Monday.

One of the companies, Concord Management and Consulting, LLC, hired a high-powered attorney who came to the Mueller poker table, put some chips on the table, and called the bluff.

“The only case Mueller brought to prove ‘Russian interference’ w/ any defense is now being dismissed by DOJ b/c prosecutors knew they couldn’t win at trial. Repeat: the DOJ could not find a single case they could successfully prosecute to prove any act of “Russian interference.”

groveler

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2021, 09:04:59 AM »
I know exactly where a pretty significant amount of my food comes from and it isn't Safeway, Walmart,  or Foodland.
Calling attacks on large USA cities an "act of war" seems a little bit of Hyperbole.
USA would be far better off without those cities.
If Democrats want to start a war, let them fight it.
I did my time, Vietnam era for a Democrat boondoggle.
Somehow big city Democrats being deprived of food
doesn't bother me these days. :thumbsup:



aletheuo137

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2021, 09:10:25 AM »
I know exactly where a pretty significant amount of my food comes from and it isn't Safeway, Walmart,  or Foodland.
Calling attacks on large USA cities an "act of war" seems a little bit of Hyperbole.
USA would be far better off without those cities.
If Democrats want to start a war, let them fight it.
I did my time, Vietnam era for a Democrat boondoggle.
Somehow big city Democrats being deprived of food
doesn't bother me these days.
Me too, oh no!

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2021, 01:18:20 PM »
Ransomware is about money, not "warfare."

If they are asking for a ransom and actually provide the recovery code when paid, then it can't be about harming the nation.

They started out going after retailers and other small businesses, looking for smaller payouts.  They were honing their ransomware and going after companies that had very weak, or no, network security or backups.

Now, they are going after highly visible targets.  They've learned that the publicity of being hacked costs their victims more than the hack itself.  The more high profile the company, the more likely they are to get paid.

This is not likely to stop anytime soon -- not as long as the criminals are able to extort millions out of one victim.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2021, 01:46:35 PM »
Getting paid out of the deal is just a cherry on top. These are large scale high profile infrastructure and supply chain attacks to do economic damage. Demanding cash is just a convenient way to pretend these are non-state actors. Intel agencies will never be honest about this especially since they are probably being done with the 'Eternal Blue' toolkits the NSA 'lost' by leaving them in a system they hacked.

https://www.wired.com/story/eternalblue-leaked-nsa-spy-tool-hacked-world/

If it was all about the money they would go after smaller targets that wouldn't make the radar of the press.

omnigun

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2021, 01:47:55 PM »
Ransomware is about money, not "warfare."

If they are asking for a ransom and actually provide the recovery code when paid, then it can't be about harming the nation.

They started out going after retailers and other small businesses, looking for smaller payouts.  They were honing their ransomware and going after companies that had very weak, or no, network security or backups.

Now, they are going after highly visible targets.  They've learned that the publicity of being hacked costs their victims more than the hack itself.  The more high profile the company, the more likely they are to get paid.

This is not likely to stop anytime soon -- not as long as the criminals are able to extort millions out of one victim.

Twice in one day Flapp is right.  Good way to start the month off.

Might I add if any country was seriously an adversary against us for the purpose of major war, they would never want to do these types of attacks in this way.  All they are doing is exposing all our weaknesses early so we can be better prepared for the main event. 
« Last Edit: June 01, 2021, 04:10:13 PM by omnigun »

groveler

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2021, 01:50:17 PM »
Ransomware is about money, not "warfare."

If they are asking for a ransom and actually provide the recovery code when paid, then it can't be about harming the nation.

They started out going after retailers and other small businesses, looking for smaller payouts.  They were honing their ransomware and going after companies that had very weak, or no, network security or backups.

Now, they are going after highly visible targets.  They've learned that the publicity of being hacked costs their victims more than the hack itself.  The more high profile the company, the more likely they are to get paid.

This is not likely to stop anytime soon -- not as long as the criminals are able to extort millions out of one victim.
All these idiots took a design meant to share information and then want to make it not share
information, that is like putting lipstick on a pig.
It is still a pig.
Anytime you let a Democrat dictate policy. it will fail.
Since we can't legally kill them off, then learn to live with it.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2021, 02:30:06 PM »
All these idiots took a design meant to share information and then want to make it not share
information, that is like putting lipstick on a pig.
It is still a pig.
Anytime you let a Democrat dictate policy. it will fail.
Since we can't legally kill them off, then learn to live with it.

Just like RoboCalls and SPAM, if you are accessible from a network connection (Internet, email, cellular,...), you are a target.

I can't figure out how companies are still operating in this hack-happy world without constant hot or warm backups going back 3 months.  That remains the only way to survive most sophisticated hacks or failures. 

It's not a matter of IF you will need a backup, but when.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2021, 03:13:23 PM »
Twice in one day Flapp is right.  Good way to start the month off.

Might I add if any country was seriously an advisory against us for the purpose of major war, they would never want to do these types of attacks in this way.  All they are doing is exposing all our weaknesses early so we can be better prepared for the main event.

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adversary?
focus...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2021, 03:50:21 PM »
Twice in one day Flapp is right.  Good way to start the month off.

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Coming from the self-appointed arbiter of what's right, true and honest, that means as much as Biden promising to forgive student debt.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2021, 04:31:48 PM »
Weren’t we just listening to democrats talk about forcing everybody to drive electric cars and eat bugs for global warming? Awfully convenient attacks in this regard
Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.

aletheuo137

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2021, 05:40:55 PM »
Instead of tree hugging liberal, turn it to bug eating commie!

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Glasser

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2021, 07:29:55 PM »
Weren’t we just listening to democrats talk about forcing everybody to drive electric cars and eat bugs for global warming? Awfully convenient attacks in this regard

In ye olden times Peasants and serfs were rarely able / allowed to eat meat. Some of it was scarcity, but mostly because they didnt want plebs to be strong enough to rebel against the yoke of the tyrants they lived under.

 Smoke weed all day, eat bugs, drink soy and swallow the estrogen laced water from plastic bottles and birth control pills flushed into the reservoirs.
Brought to you by the same folks who created all the diabetes and obesity with the Food Pyramid.



Hard to make rebel soldiers when men dont have testosterone.   


hvybarrels

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2021, 12:14:09 AM »
5%   Diabetus
20% Constipation
35% Rabbit Food
40% More Diabetus
Sharing is caring, but forced redistribution is communism.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2021, 02:52:50 PM »
5%   Diabetus
20% Constipation
35% Rabbit Food
40% More Diabetus

Vegetables?

That's not "food".  That's what food eats!
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2021, 08:18:50 PM »
Instead of tree hugging liberal, turn it to bug eating commie!

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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/desperate-attention-cnn-anchor-eats-dead-bugs-live-television/

Desperate for Attention? CNN Anchor Eats Dead Bugs on Live Television


Glad they are dialing it down a little, CNN had reporters eating Human Brains not all that long ago.

Hindus condemn CNN presenter who ate human brain during documentary on sect

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/cnn-presenter-reza-aslan-eat-human-brain-hindu-documentary-sect-india-varanasi-aghori-a7622071.html

I hope all of CNNs on air talents gets a heaping helping of Prions.


Eating Prions might be what happened to Omni.

eyeeatingfish

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2021, 08:35:35 PM »
First they attacked fuel pipelines. Now they are going after food. Why dont I believe them when they say its Russians?

https://breaking911.com/breaking-worlds-largest-meatpacker-jbs-hit-by-ransomware-attack-wh-confirms-plants-halt-slaughter/

World’s Largest Meatpacker JBS Hit By Ransomware Attack, WH Confirms; Plants Halt Slaughter

I am no cyber security expert but so far from the reporting I have heard on these types of incidents are that they can never be positive whether it was government sanctioned or just a skilled hacker. The evidence seems to often show the hackers are in Russia but then you have to acknowledge it could be a private individual, it could be someone Russia knows about and doesn't stop, it could be a government funded hacker, or it could be a Russian employee.

Before we declare war on a country, it might be nice to know whether Russia did it or just someone in Russia.

Glasser

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2021, 09:13:26 PM »
I am no cyber security expert but so far from the reporting I have heard on these types of incidents are that they can never be positive whether it was government sanctioned or just a skilled hacker. The evidence seems to often show the hackers are in Russia but then you have to acknowledge it could be a private individual, it could be someone Russia knows about and doesn't stop, it could be a government funded hacker, or it could be a Russian employee.

Before we declare war on a country, it might be nice to know whether Russia did it or just someone in Russia.

I dont think it is Russia at all, right up until the recent administration the FBIs most wanted cyber criminal list was populated by Iran and China (mostly Iran). Last time the FBI tried to blame Russia for cyber attacks a lawyer showed up and the DOJ dropped the case for lack of evidence after getting shellacked for having zero evidence other than spoofed IP addresses. Russia is way behind the curve on cyber, even podunk piss poor Eastern Bloc countries like Belasrus and Romania were making big plays in cyber attacks.


https://www.pcworld.com/article/2010491/savviest-hackers-hail-from-eastern-europe-researchers-say.html
« Last Edit: June 02, 2021, 09:22:53 PM by Glasser »