These are acts of War (Read 5144 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2021, 09:28:05 PM »
I dont think it is Russia at all, right up until the recent administration the FBIs most wanted cyber criminal list was populated by Iran and China. Last time the FBI tried to blame Russia for cyber attacks a lawyer showed up and the DOJ dropped the case for lack of evidence after getting shellacked for having zero evidence other than spoofed IP addresses. Russia is way behind the curve on cyber, even podunk piss poor Eastern Bloc countries like Belasrus and Romania where making big plays in cyber attacks.


https://www.pcworld.com/article/2010491/savviest-hackers-hail-from-eastern-europe-researchers-say.html

Just to be clear I was speaking in generalities, not this specific instance. Who really knows though, a good hacker can certainly make it look like they were in Russia when they weren't. I don't know if I would say Russia was not very good on the cyber warfare though, at least not according to some reports I have read. Certainly they aren't the only players though. And if it were Russia or Russian sponsored they would certainly take steps to insulate themselves from any blame.

Glasser

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2021, 09:38:01 PM »
Just to be clear I was speaking in generalities, not this specific instance. Who really knows though, a good hacker can certainly make it look like they were in Russia when they weren't. I don't know if I would say Russia was not very good on the cyber warfare though, at least not according to some reports I have read. Certainly they aren't the only players though. And if it were Russia or Russian sponsored they would certainly take steps to insulate themselves from any blame.

My earlier point in this thread was that these kinds of high profile attacks arent usually lone wolf private groups farming a bitcoin payout, those folks tend to target smaller low profile targets, less heat, easier gains. Big attacks like this tend to be state sponsored, if traced they can hide behind the skirts of their government sponsor and not fear getting extradited and facing charges. 'Zero Day' attacks arent easy to come by and arent wasted on small targets. once they are used they are patched over and cant be used again. Developing those kinds of attacks takes time and money and once they are used they gone forever. it's a one time bullet, people paying for it want to make sure the shot counts. 

Glasser

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2021, 07:07:04 AM »
Obama has a house out there. And finally they are admitting some of these infrastructure attacks are coming from China, not Russia.

Ransomware attack cripples Martha's Vineyard ferry - as it's revealed China hacked NYC's MTA in April in failed bid to get control of its subway trains

    New York City's transit system was hacked in April, it emerged on Wednesday
    Hackers from China accessed the IT services via remote log-in systems
    The MTA required 3,700 employees and contractors to change their passwords
    Transit authority said that passengers were not at risk, and no data was stolen
    It is the third time in recent years that foreign hackers have accessed the MTA
    The report of the hack came a month after the Colonial Pipeline was taken out
    On Tuesday US operations at the world's largest meat processer were stopped
    On Wednesday the ferry between Massachusetts and islands was disrupted
    Passengers traveling to Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket faced delays


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9646583/China-hacked-MTA-failed-control-NY-subway-Ransomware-cripples-Marthas-Vineyard-ferry.html

Kuleana

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2021, 09:17:45 AM »
Obama has a house out there. And finally they are admitting some of these infrastructure attacks are coming from China, not Russia.
China, China, China; it seems a week can't go by, where the power okole, of the US empire, are unable to find an excuse, to redirect American attention away from themselves; as they continue to incarcerate and throw, into gulags, American patriots that exercised their 1st Amendment rights this past January 6, 2021.

The US empire has many more enemies, on this planet, than the usual US imperial punching bags: China, Russia, DPRK, etc.  ANTIFA, Proud Boys, Kurds, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, as well as all other social movements, ethnic groups, and/or sovereign nations that had been pawned, by the US empire, in the past, has motive for payback as well.

omnigun

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2021, 09:32:40 AM »
China, China, China; it seems a week can't go by, where the power okole, of the US empire, are unable to find an excuse, to redirect American attention away from themselves; as they continue to incarcerate and throw, into gulags, American patriots that exercised their 1st Amendment rights this past January 6, 2021.

The US empire has many more enemies, on this planet, than the usual US imperial punching bags: China, Russia, DPRK, etc.  ANTIFA, Proud Boys, Kurds, Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, as well as all other social movements, ethnic groups, and/or sovereign nations that had been pawned, by the US empire, in the past, has motive for payback as well.

Or just maybe...China is bad and our enemy and the enemy of the world and its people?

Kuleana

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2021, 10:05:56 AM »
Or just maybe...China is bad and our enemy and the enemy of the world and its people?
Is that the best US imperial scripted rebuttal you can offer???

Such bad comedy...

oldfart

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2021, 12:59:54 PM »
Or just maybe...China is bad and our enemy and the enemy of the world and its people?
What, Me Worry?

eyeeatingfish

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2021, 08:25:19 PM »
My earlier point in this thread was that these kinds of high profile attacks arent usually lone wolf private groups farming a bitcoin payout, those folks tend to target smaller low profile targets, less heat, easier gains. Big attacks like this tend to be state sponsored, if traced they can hide behind the skirts of their government sponsor and not fear getting extradited and facing charges. 'Zero Day' attacks arent easy to come by and arent wasted on small targets. once they are used they are patched over and cant be used again. Developing those kinds of attacks takes time and money and once they are used they gone forever. it's a one time bullet, people paying for it want to make sure the shot counts.

Agreed. It was interesting to learn about the zero day attacks and how these vulnerabilities can command millions of dollars on the dark web. I wonder if we can ever find a hacker if they were well funded and took all steps to cover their tracks?

I did hear a report that Russia didn't bother to arrest hackers that would mess with American companies. That was we get attacked but they can say it wasn't their fault.

Glasser

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2021, 09:31:07 PM »
Agreed. It was interesting to learn about the zero day attacks and how these vulnerabilities can command millions of dollars on the dark web. I wonder if we can ever find a hacker if they were well funded and took all steps to cover their tracks?

I did hear a report that Russia didn't bother to arrest hackers that would mess with American companies. That was we get attacked but they can say it wasn't their fault.

The other super suspicious thing about these recent hacks is they arent common targets, this isnt hacking a webcam to catch you jerking it, or encrypting a victims hard drive holding their data hostage till they pay up, or even cracking into big personal info databases. This is going after infrastructure controls attached to networks. Stuff like that is hyper specific, takes a ton of research and recon to ID the targets and learn how to exploit them. Very similar to what the US and Israel tag teamed to do to Irans Nuclear Uranium Centrifuges with the Stuxnet Worm. Kinda rules out 16 yr old Romanian kids trying to get money to buy more video cards to up their bitcoin mining game to the next level. That is why I am pretty convinced this is State Sponsored Hackers tied to foreign military. Thats exactly who we use to do this kind of stuff on our side.  There are rooms full of them at the NSA.

changemyoil66

Re: These are acts of War
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2021, 11:29:25 AM »
Could be timing, but Times has been out of Mochiko Chicken a lot recently.   Kitchen said the order didn't come in.