withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea? (Read 153675 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #680 on: September 08, 2021, 10:02:47 PM »
9 months is last minute? Dude ....

Exactly. 

Biden's transition team and senior staff positions were in place Nov 17, 2020.

He had from that point on to prioritize and plan the withdrawal -- something that was one of his key campaign promises.

Dec, Jan , Feb, Mar, Apr, May, Jun, Jul, Aug.  That's 9 months.  No excuses.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #681 on: September 08, 2021, 10:25:44 PM »
I blame both sides. Trump was in control for about 12 months leading up to the deadline and very little was done. Then Biden got it and seemed to sit on it till the last minute.

Is there any debate that the Biden Administration didn’t fawk this up royally ?

hvybarrels

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #682 on: September 08, 2021, 10:36:47 PM »
Is there any debate that the Biden Administration didn’t fawk this up royally ?

Trump's plans worked more often than not. Biden's plans always fail.

Some people are still trying to rewrite history, but who cares what they think?

They voted for Biden.
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.

QUIETShooter

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #683 on: September 09, 2021, 06:22:29 AM »
To me the Afghanistan withdrawal shows biden cannot multi-task.

He's one of those "can only do one thing at a time" guys.

We had a lot of those guys in our company when I was still working.  That wanted to be foremen.

"Sorry, brah.  No can.  You no can."
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #684 on: September 09, 2021, 07:16:18 AM »
To me the Afghanistan withdrawal shows biden cannot multi-task.

He's one of those "can only do one thing at a time" guys.

We had a lot of those guys in our company when I was still working.  That wanted to be foremen.

"Sorry, brah.  No can.  You no can."
So what is Biden's main task focus now?  :hmm:  :rofl:

In my mind, POTUS can make a lot of decisions or they can delegate.  Lots of committees, subcommittees, etc.  I'm shocked that as things go wrong, WH is not throwing many folks under the bus.  In my experience, as you go up the ranks in leadership, your breadth widens a LOT, but your depth in any topic is pretty shallow. Or can be.  In this case, who the eff knows, but I don't see how anyone could measure it as anything but incompetence. 

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #685 on: September 09, 2021, 07:19:44 AM »
Multi task?

Ummm ok please name a SINGLE policy Biden has implemented that has had a positive outcome?


As far as I can tell a broken clock is better than this broken man.

omnigun

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #686 on: September 09, 2021, 08:48:35 AM »
Multi task?

Ummm ok please name a SINGLE policy Biden has implemented that has had a positive outcome?


As far as I can tell a broken clock is better than this broken man.

Vaccines. 

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #687 on: September 09, 2021, 08:53:08 AM »
Multi task?

Ummm ok please name a SINGLE policy Biden has implemented that has had a positive outcome?


As far as I can tell a broken clock is better than this broken man.

Positive outcome for the people or for his club?

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #688 on: September 09, 2021, 08:55:39 AM »
Positive outcome for the people or for his club?
I bet stock for Basking & Robbins went up.  Maybe Ben & Jerry's. . .

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #689 on: September 09, 2021, 09:35:41 AM »
I bet stock for Basking & Robbins went up.  Maybe Ben & Jerry's. . .

Do the Bidens own any Lithium type of stock?  And how much?

eyeeatingfish

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #690 on: September 09, 2021, 08:41:03 PM »
Is there any debate that the Biden Administration didn’t fawk this up royally ?

The only caveat I would add would be to illustrate that a president doesn't control every detail, he delegates. So I have to wonder whether his administration at the top level just screwed it all over or whether someone it was delegated screwed up. Who knows, maybe Biden delegated it at the last second, or maybe he delegated it months ago and trusted some military leader had the plan under control. Maybe the blame is shared among lots of people. Presidents get too much credit and too much blame in my opinion. Heck presidents often have great quotes credited to them when half the time it was probably some speech writer who came up with it. So while I would say the evacuation was absolutely screwed up I don't know how much blame Biden and his brass should get vs some of his subordinates vs the previous administration.

Problem with figuring out where the blame lies is all the political distortion that goes on makes it hard. Democrats want to blame it on Trump and Republicans want to blame it on Biden. Case in point people saying that Biden "gave" the Taliban all these vehicles and weapons which is false in a purposefully misleading way just to satisfy political attacks. It really makes objective attempts at finding out what went wrong and why hard to do.

aieahound

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #691 on: September 09, 2021, 10:02:06 PM »
I hear ya.

That’s why I used administration.
Biden’s not running this.
Someone messed up though.

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #692 on: September 10, 2021, 08:47:29 AM »
I hear ya.

That’s why I used administration.
Biden’s not running this.
Someone messed up though.

Has anyone been relieved of command for the shit show?  Or was it just that USMC Lt. Col who was relieved within 24 hours of speaking against his command?

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #693 on: September 10, 2021, 11:34:01 AM »
Word around town is Blinken is going to resign over Afghanistan. The State Departments screw ups are nothing compared to Austin and Milley shutting down Bagram.

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #694 on: September 10, 2021, 11:40:04 AM »
Gen. Milley swore up and down the strike was a legit target. But we can't tell you their names....Oops I accidentally War Crimed.

The final act of the U.S. war in Afghanistan was a drone strike in Kabul that killed 10 people. Our latest investigation shows how a man the military saw as an "imminent threat" and "ISIS facilitator" was actually an aid worker returning to his family:



https://mobile.twitter.com/evanhill/status/1436422176425578496

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #695 on: September 10, 2021, 11:42:16 AM »
They have pre strike videos .... this is beyond messed up.

Biden and Milley claimed this was an ISIS attack in the making

They were filling water bottles

And their entire family was murdered so Joe Biden could get a headline



https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1436436583293534212

drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #696 on: September 10, 2021, 12:00:54 PM »
How Kabul became an evacuation bottleneck and a prime terror target: The Last 96

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America’s war in Afghanistan ended in calamity. Around 120,000 people were evacuated from Kabul in just a matter of days, but the herculean, if chaotic effort made the airport a prime target for a terrorist attack that killed nearly 200, including 13 U.S. service members.

But exactly how did Afghanistan, a nation with a military the U.S. trained for 20 years, so quickly fall to the Taliban and instability? How did Kabul become a frenzied site where tens of thousands of people were simultaneously trying to flee the country through the same escape route?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/how-kabul-became-a-bottleneck-and-a-prime-terror-target-last-96

What I found most interesting of that article was the photo of Taliban fighters dated 18 Aug 2021.  Some of those rifles look newer than mine!  Damn pristine condition!  One guy no red dot though. . .  ;D

changemyoil66

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #697 on: September 10, 2021, 12:04:49 PM »
Gen. Milley swore up and down the strike was a legit target. But we can't tell you their names....Oops I accidentally War Crimed.

The final act of the U.S. war in Afghanistan was a drone strike in Kabul that killed 10 people. Our latest investigation shows how a man the military saw as an "imminent threat" and "ISIS facilitator" was actually an aid worker returning to his family:



https://mobile.twitter.com/evanhill/status/1436422176425578496
Trump responds by taking out Solomani and Biden responds with oops.

1 guy gets impeached and the other gets more passes.

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drck1000

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #698 on: September 10, 2021, 12:06:33 PM »
Trump responds by taking out Solomani and Biden responds with oops.

1 guy gets impeached and the other gets more passes.

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But ehh, "mo bettah den bad orange man"

Glasser

Re: withdrawal from Afghanistan, bad idea?
« Reply #699 on: September 10, 2021, 04:26:36 PM »