They give up their 1st amendment rights, 2nd amendment rights, 4th amendment rights, and probably a few others. Maybe you are ok with that but I am not, I fear too much government power even when it come to soldiers.. You are correct though, this really should be a separate topic so I will leave it there.

Wrong on all counts.  Telling me "Maybe you are ok with that" is a cheap shot.  So far, you haven't proven your basic premise: "They give up their 1st amendment rights, 2nd amendment rights, 4th amendment rights, and probably a few others."  Where is your evidence that that's even true?

Restrictions are not the same as complete forfeiture. 

Military members are allowed to attend political rallies out of uniform.  They can express their opinions as long as they are not doing so as a representative of the military.  In some instances, when speech is related to potentially sensitive or classified info, that speech needs to be reviewed by the military before release to the public.  CIVILIAN members of the government have similar restrictions.  If they write a book, the manuscript must be reviewed prior to publication to prevent unauthorized disclosure of classified info.

Military members have 2A rights.  What makes you FEEL otherwise?  I owned 2 revolvers which I kept in my apartment while assigned to Tinker AFB, OK.  No permits to acquire, no registrations, 3 day NICS background check, etc.  When I moved on base, they allowed me to keep them in officers' housing.  Had I been enlisted living in a dorm, I would need to check the weapons in and out of the base armory when entering and leaving the base if I wanted to go shooting.  Hell, we had a skeet range at the end of the runway.  We could bring guns on base, leave them in vehicles, and go skeet shooting after work.

To state unequivocally that members of the military give up their 4th amendment rights is false.  There are areas of debate based on the age-old military custom of inspections.  Excluding that limited example, the Manual for UCMJ has Military Rules of Evidence 311 to 317, which include the embodiment of the 4th amendment within the scope of criminal warrants and searches.

You painted your opinion with a broad brush -- that the military strips its members of constitutional rights.  That's wrong.  Just as states are allowed to place restrictions and limits on rights, so may the military.

Here's a little clarity on how the 4th applies to the military.

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1516&context=wmborj

Wrong on all counts.  Telling me "Maybe you are ok with that" is a cheap shot.  So far, you haven't proven your basic premise: "They give up their 1st amendment rights, 2nd amendment rights, 4th amendment rights, and probably a few others."  Where is your evidence that that's even true?

Restrictions are not the same as complete forfeiture. 

Military members are allowed to attend political rallies out of uniform.  They can express their opinions as long as they are not doing so as a representative of the military.  In some instances, when speech is related to potentially sensitive or classified info, that speech needs to be reviewed by the military before release to the public.  CIVILIAN members of the government have similar restrictions.  If they write a book, the manuscript must be reviewed prior to publication to prevent unauthorized disclosure of classified info.

Military members have 2A rights.  What makes you FEEL otherwise?  I owned 2 revolvers which I kept in my apartment while assigned to Tinker AFB, OK.  No permits to acquire, no registrations, 3 day NICS background check, etc.  When I moved on base, they allowed me to keep them in officers' housing.  Had I been enlisted living in a dorm, I would need to check the weapons in and out of the base armory when entering and leaving the base if I wanted to go shooting.  Hell, we had a skeet range at the end of the runway.  We could bring guns on base, leave them in vehicles, and go skeet shooting after work.

To state unequivocally that members of the military give up their 4th amendment rights is false.  There are areas of debate based on the age-old military custom of inspections.  Excluding that limited example, the Manual for UCMJ has Military Rules of Evidence 311 to 317, which include the embodiment of the 4th amendment within the scope of criminal warrants and searches.

You painted your opinion with a broad brush -- that the military strips its members of constitutional rights.  That's wrong.  Just as states are allowed to place restrictions and limits on rights, so may the military.

Here's a little clarity on how the 4th applies to the military.

https://scholarship.law.wm.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1516&context=wmborj

As I stated since it was off topic, as you pointed out, I am not going to keep this going here. If you wish to start another thread we can continue this debate.

As I stated since it was off topic, as you pointed out, I am not going to keep this going here. If you wish to start another thread we can continue this debate.

It's not a debate when you can't offer any supporting information to refute my facts and experiences.

Not sure why you even think matters of record, law, policy and so forth are up for debate.

It's not a debate when you can't offer any supporting information to refute my facts and experienced.

Not sure why you even think matters of record, law, policy and so forth are up for debate.

Funny how you insist this is off topic and when I agree and stop debating it here you try to goad me back into debating you on the topic. I am not going to bite, then you'll just accuse me of not keeping my word.
If you want to continue the debate start another thread... or maybe you didn't because you are afraid you will lose.

Funny how you insist this is off topic and when I agree and stop debating it here you try to goad me back into debating you on the topic. I am not going to bite, then you'll just accuse me of not keeping my word.
If you want to continue the debate start another thread... or maybe you didn't because you are afraid you will lose.

I don't find it funny at all.  Typical tactic of trolls.   Try to get in the last word, then use the label "off topic" to cut off anyone else from replying in that thread.

And you should know I'm not afraid to debate, because I win most of the time!   

You aren't going to bite?  Or you can't come up with anything to support your FEELINGS?

That was a rhetorical question.  We all know the answer. 

     

Why keep entertaining the good idea fairies?

Why keep entertaining the good idea fairies?

I suggest a thought experiment:  suspend EEF and Omni at the same time, and see if the turmoil stops completely.

I don't find it funny at all.  Typical tactic of trolls.   Try to get in the last word, then use the label "off topic" to cut off anyone else from replying in that thread.

And you should know I'm not afraid to debate, because I win most of the time!   

You aren't going to bite?  Or you can't come up with anything to support your FEELINGS?

That was a rhetorical question.  We all know the answer. 

You win most of the time? More like you troll people so long they give or an admin locks the topic. I am cordial and declined to talk about it further then you kept on going, it's like you couldn't resist. That is your MO, time and time again, everyone on these forums knows it. Sure, I come in with unpopular opinions sometime but you drag it into the mud over and over again.

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/09/marine-who-trump-brought-on-stage-at-rally-now-under-military-investigation-for-it/?utm_source=militarymemes&utm_campaign=alt&utm_medium=facebook

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You win most of the time? More like you troll people so long they give or an admin locks the topic. I am cordial and declined to talk about it further then you kept on going, it's like you couldn't resist. That is your MO, time and time again, everyone on these forums knows it. Sure, I come in with unpopular opinions sometime but you drag it into the mud over and over again.

Like you just did?

LOL!!   

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/09/marine-who-trump-brought-on-stage-at-rally-now-under-military-investigation-for-it/?utm_source=militarymemes&utm_campaign=alt&utm_medium=facebook

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Saw someone post this on FB, he was angry that the marine may have lied. I pointed out to him that the military took multiple kids in and that he could have been one to grab a child. He then said he was talking about the viral one and that he wasn't the one in the viral video therefore hes a bad lying MAGA marine. I then pointed out that there were multiple viral videos showing marines grabbing babies but he wouldn't budge.

I sure hope he isn't lying about such a thing but it sucks he is being punished for this. Since Trump isn't even running for office right now is it really a political rally that he would have been forbidden from speaking at?

So the bomber was released from prison days before.

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Reports of Afgan refugees attacking women outside the house working in Germany.

Taliban banning women's sports because they belong at home. Then beheading the Kabul volleyball star as a warning to others.

Where are the USA  feminist protestors?

https://rumble.com/vmhuyf-blinken-says-u.s.-is-providing-64-million-in-aid-to-afghanistan.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab&fbclid=IwAR35KOoPn165KFXrildfhy4mGEZ7iSQ47hie1Dn3mGXMi0tMK-pYDk-9Bpo

Amazing that the US is providing millions in aid to a country where the Taliban commits human rights atrocities.

How are we to believe that money will be used for women, children, schools, and human rights as intended?

The fuckin Taliban is running the country.  No fuckin way.

Reports of Afgan refugees attacking women outside the house working in Germany.

Taliban banning women's sports because they belong at home. Then beheading the Kabul volleyball star as a warning to others.

Where are the USA  feminist protestors?

Ask Alyssa Milano. . .

Ask Alyssa Milano. . .

I would...

Amazing that the US is providing millions in aid to a country where the Taliban commits human rights atrocities.

How are we to believe that money will be used for women, children, schools, and human rights as intended?

The fuckin Taliban is running the country.  No fuckin way.

You should take comfort to know that this $ being sent over isn't all going to the Taliban. I assume much of it will also line the pockets of politicians, companies,  or non-profits run by said politicians.  Like how Biden's brother got multi million dollar contracts in Iraq to rebuild homes. Even though he has no construction experience, but is the president of said company.

You should take comfort to know that this $ being sent over isn't all going to the Taliban. I assume much of it will also line the pockets of politicians, companies,  or non-profits run by said politicians.  Like how Biden's brother got multi million dollar contracts in Iraq to rebuild homes. Even though he has no construction experience, but is the president of said company.

You don't even have to have a real company title to get paid.  You could be, I don't know, appointed to a board of directors. 

Hunter can show them how it's done.

IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE: Joe Biden Abandoned THOUSANDS of Americans and as many as 14,000 in Afghanistan When US Fled Country

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/11/impeachable-offense-joe-biden-abandoned-thousands-americans-many-14000-afghanistan-us-fled-country/

Joe Biden and the Woke Generals abandoned THOUSANDS of Americans in Afghanistan and as many as 14,000 during their quick escape from the terrorist-controlled country.
And then they left the Taliban with $80 billion in US arms.
New figures released by the State Department reveal as many as 14,000 Americans were left to fend for themselves when Biden and the woke generals quickly fled the country due to their artificial timeline.


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