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hotkarl4u

33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« on: July 20, 2021, 03:24:54 PM »
Aloha!  Moving back to the islands this week from the mainland, and I'm torn on what to do with my 33rd magazines.  I have an Aero EPC (16' barrel) chambered in 9mm, and a couple of the Glock 33rd magazines.  I'm assuming these are a no go in Hawaii, even if you have a carbine that can use them?  Thought I'd ask before I either mail them to myself or trash them. 

Thanks in advance!
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omnigun

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2021, 03:39:18 PM »
Not legal advice, but according to my knowledge and research it would be a "no go".   I personally would not recommend bringing any of those glock 33rd mags to Hawaii and potentially facing a felony charge.
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6716J

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2021, 03:55:58 PM »
Quote from: hotkarl4u on July 20, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
Aloha!  Moving back to the islands this week from the mainland, and I'm torn on what to do with my 33rd magazines.  I have an Aero EPC (16' barrel) chambered in 9mm, and a couple of the Glock 33rd magazines.  I'm assuming these are a no go in Hawaii, even if you have a carbine that can use them?  Thought I'd ask before I either mail them to myself or trash them. 

Thanks in advance!

DO NOT TRASH THEM. Disassemble them and they are now just parts. You can also buy mag limiters for them. YouTube is your friend

https://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/glock-magblock-for-33-round-9mm-magazine.html
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hotkarl4u

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2021, 03:59:36 PM »
Quote from: 6716J on July 20, 2021, 03:55:58 PM
DO NOT TRASH THEM. Disassemble them and they are now just parts. You can also buy mag limiters for them. YouTube is your friend

https://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/glock-magblock-for-33-round-9mm-magazine.html

Excellent advice.  Thanks!  Not worth the legal trouble. 
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macsak

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2021, 04:00:00 PM »
Quote from: omnigun on July 20, 2021, 03:39:18 PM
Not legal advice, but according to my knowledge and research it would be a "no go".   I personally would not recommend bringing any of those glock 33rd mags to Hawaii and potentially facing a felony charge.

you should try and make disclaimers on all your posts...

OP, read this
https://hawaiirifleassociation.org/hawaii-gun-laws/

Hawaii state law prohibits greater than 10 round detachable pistol magazines unless blocked to hold 10 rounds or less and “not readily restorable.” Possession of illegal magazines is a misdemeanor, one count per magazine, and possession of a handgun with one inserted is a class C felony. There is much debate among gun owners, law enforcement, and dealers over the interpretation of this portion of the statutes when rifle magazines which fit handguns are considered, and the prohibition is generally not enforced.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2021, 04:00:26 PM »
Quote from: hotkarl4u on July 20, 2021, 03:24:54 PM
Aloha!  Moving back to the islands this week from the mainland, and I'm torn on what to do with my 33rd magazines.  I have an Aero EPC (16' barrel) chambered in 9mm, and a couple of the Glock 33rd magazines.  I'm assuming these are a no go in Hawaii, even if you have a carbine that can use them?  Thought I'd ask before I either mail them to myself or trash them. 

Thanks in advance!

33rd mags that fit a pistol (Glock) are illegal for "normal" citizens to possess.  Law Enforcement and some military are exempt from that restriction.

However, if the magazine is disassembled to create a "magazine parts kit," there's nothing in the law stating those are illegal.  A disassembled magazine/parts kit holds zero rounds.

If you travel to the mainland where 33 rd mags are not prohibited, you can take them on the trip and assembled them after you leave Hawaii -- then disassemble again before you return.

I'm not a lawyer, but that's how I read the statute.  Pistol mags > 10rds = bad.  Mag parts = not a mag.

Another possible remedy is to have the mags blocked to only allow 10 rds at a time.  If the method of blocking can be reversed without damaging the mag, you could still use them to full capacity where legal.  The HI statutes on blocking are ambiguous.  I've seen YT videos where you could install a block, drill a hole in the side of the floor plate and insert a metal pin.  It would take tools, time and effort to revert them to full capacity.  Whether that's as acceptable in HI as permanently epoxying the floor plates is debatable.  Discussions here include the fact that permanently epoxied mags prevent cleaning, maintenance and repair.

Those are potential options.  Whatever you choose, remember it's your choice.  Don't rely on my information as advice.  The only thing I'm advising is don't do anything illegal.  If you don't know if something is illegal, avoid it or seek professional legal advice.

 :shaka: :thumbsup:
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Glasser

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2021, 04:32:15 PM »
Mac knows the law.

 Chances a cop decides to plug them into the firearm for you if you are caught with one? Just saying. I am going with not worth it.

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changemyoil66

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2021, 09:12:48 AM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on July 20, 2021, 04:00:26 PM


The HI statutes on blocking are ambiguous.  I've seen YT videos where you could install a block, drill a hole in the side of the floor plate and insert a metal pin.  It would take tools, time and effort to revert them to full capacity.  Whether that's as acceptable in HI as permanently epoxying the floor plates is debatable.  Discussions here include the fact that permanently epoxied mags prevent cleaning, maintenance and repair.


IIRC some guys asked the AG for clarification and the term given was "readily restorable".  And zero examples given or further clarification of what that means.  When you buy a  pistol in HI that has greater than 10rd mags, they come blocked from the gun store.  These blocks are not epxoyed and are able to be removed within seconds.  IDK if anyone has ever been cited or arrested for these pistol mags.  But I'm going to assume not because the gun stores don't epoxy the mags.

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Glasser

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #8 on: July 21, 2021, 09:24:07 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on July 21, 2021, 09:12:48 AM
IIRC some guys asked the AG for clarification and the term given was "readily restorable".  And zero examples given or further clarification of what that means.  When you buy a  pistol in HI that has greater than 10rd mags, they come blocked from the gun store.  These blocks are not epxoyed and are able to be removed within seconds.  IDK if anyone has ever been cited or arrested for these pistol mags.  But I'm going to assume not because the gun stores don't epoxy the mags.

I'd pay money to see if Karl Rhodes could disassemble any magazine in seconds. I'd probably even let him use google.
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QUIETShooter

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #9 on: July 21, 2021, 09:35:00 AM »
I have a dream. 

A dream of a 2a friendly Hawaii where Karl Rhodes and David Ige are holding hands and frolicking in the park at KHSC after a session at the pistol and rifle range.  The sky is blue, the birds are singing, and all is right in the world...........

Then I woke up.
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changemyoil66

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2021, 09:45:35 AM »
Quote from: Glasser on July 21, 2021, 09:24:07 AM
I'd pay money to see if Karl Rhodes could disassemble any magazine in seconds. I'd probably even let him use google.

2 legislative sessions ago when they tried to ban rifle mags, 1 person brought a metal AR mag and showed how fast it is to remove the base plate.  This was in front the House committee and HPD.  Rhodes wasn't there cause he is Senate.
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zhuzhits

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2021, 10:05:38 AM »
+1 for disassembly into parts. Legal in all states except Democratic People's Republic of Chinafornia.

Then, sell as parts kits or save for when you move back to a free state. Lmk if you decide to sell.  :shaka:
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oldfart

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #12 on: July 21, 2021, 10:06:36 AM »
Quote from: QUIETShooter on July 21, 2021, 09:35:00 AM
I have a dream. 

A dream of a 2a friendly Hawaii where Karl Rhodes and David Ige are holding hands and frolicking in the park at KHSC after a session at the pistol and rifle range.  The sky is blue, the birds are singing, and all is right in the world...........

Then I woke up.
....
Whoa!
That's pretty messed up bro.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2021, 10:16:21 AM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on July 21, 2021, 09:12:48 AM
IIRC some guys asked the AG for clarification and the term given was "readily restorable".  And zero examples given or further clarification of what that means.  When you buy a  pistol in HI that has greater than 10rd mags, they come blocked from the gun store.  These blocks are not epxoyed and are able to be removed within seconds.  IDK if anyone has ever been cited or arrested for these pistol mags.  But I'm going to assume not because the gun stores don't epoxy the mags.

I have difficulty believing the AG gave any useful information in any reply.  Their canned response is normally, "We don't provide legal interpretations of laws for the public."

My "feeling" (not a legal lawyerly feeling) is, if you are outside your home, chances are you aren't carrying the parts to unblock a magazine. 

Easiest block I have is for 20rd AR-15 mags.  Replace the spring locking plate (the part the spring sits on just above the floor plate) with a 10rd limiting locking plate.  In order to convert it back to a 20rd mag, you need the original locking plate.  The mag still disassembles easily.  However, you can't readily convert it back to 20rd capacity no matter what you do unless that part is readily accessible.

I buy all factory 10rd mags for my pistols.  Never had one blocked by a gunsmith or dealer, so I'm not sure what the "standard" is for blocking -- if it's permanent or able to be unblocked.

https://www.magazineblocks.com/magento/pmag-mcl-10-20-block.html
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dogman

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2021, 07:51:08 PM »
What if you blocked the outside of a 33 round Glock magazine so it won't fit a Glock 26. Dimensionally it is very close that if you externally blocked a magazine so it won't fit a Glock 26, but it will fit a 9mm modern sporting rifle that accepts Glock mags. :)
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aaronc5362

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2021, 08:02:39 PM »
Quote from: dogman on July 21, 2021, 07:51:08 PM
What if you blocked the outside of a 33 round Glock magazine so it won't fit a Glock 26. Dimensionally it is very close that if you externally blocked a magazine so it won't fit a Glock 26, but it will fit a 9mm modern sporting rifle that accepts Glock mags. :)

Just curious. How would you go about that?

A g26 has the shortest magwell.

A PCC has a magwell longer than a g26, doesnt it? Ive never owned a PCC that accepts glock mags but by pics it does look longer. I omly had the colt 9mm carbine.

Edit: nvm it does look shorter on pcc lol
« Last Edit: July 21, 2021, 08:12:33 PM by aaronc5362 »
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2021, 09:01:47 PM »
Quote from: aaronc5362 on July 21, 2021, 08:02:39 PM
Just curious. How would you go about that?

A g26 has the shortest magwell.

A PCC has a magwell longer than a g26, doesnt it? Ive never owned a PCC that accepts glock mags but by pics it does look longer. I omly had the colt 9mm carbine.

Edit: nvm it does look shorter on pcc lol

I think this was discussed a long time ago on a similar thread.  The general idea was to permanently affix something to the exterior of an evil >10rd pistol mag in a location that prevents inserting it into any pistol.  Then, you cut (Dremel) a matching notch on the mag well of your rifle/carbine allowing the modded mag to be inserted.  The notch and matching mod on the mag would have to be where they don't interfere with retention or ejection.  You should also still be able to use factory mags in that firearm that comply with HI law.

One "gotcha" is you need to be in possession of the illegal mag before you can modify it, unless you have a licensed dealer or gunsmith do it for you.

It might be argued that the magazine prior to modification was "designed" for use in a pistol.  The "or" in the statute could make that a problem.

It would be nice if they added "or modified to prevent use in any pistol" after "modified to accept no more than ten rounds" ...

Quote
The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition of detachable
ammunition magazines with a capacity in excess of ten rounds which are designed for or
capable of use with a pistol is prohibited.  This subsection shall not apply to magazines
originally designed to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition which have been modified to
accept no more than ten rounds and which are not capable of being readily restored to a capacity
of more than ten rounds.
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dogman

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2021, 09:15:49 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on July 21, 2021, 09:01:47 PM
One "gotcha" is you need to be in possession of the illegal mag before you can modify it, unless you have a licensed dealer or gunsmith do it for you.

Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on July 20, 2021, 04:00:26 PM
However, if the magazine is disassembled to create a "magazine parts kit," there's nothing in the law stating those are illegal.  A disassembled magazine/parts kit holds zero rounds.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2021, 09:52:01 PM »
All depends on how you acquired the "kit."   
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randay

Re: 33rd Magazines and Pistol Caliber Carbines
« Reply #19 on: July 22, 2021, 05:44:35 AM »
you could modify your 33rd glock mag so that it wont fit into a pistol anymore, then modify your carbine to accept it.

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