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changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #880 on: October 22, 2021, 07:26:13 AM »
Shingles and other shots been around for decades. Covid is brand new. Im not anti vaccine, im just anti covid vaxx and the restricted freedoms that follows.

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Rocky

Re: The Jab
« Reply #881 on: October 22, 2021, 07:44:59 AM »
Quote from: aieahound on October 21, 2021, 10:10:29 PM
Anyone over Fifty. Highly recommend the shingles shot.
If you know anyone who got shingles, it sucks.
 :stopjack:

   My Mom got shingles BAAAAD.
Almost blinded her.
My sis is pretty much anti-any-drug-vax but when she saw what my mom went thru, she got the Shingles shot.

When I was young I had the pox severely.
I got my shingles shot a month or so before this covid crap.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #882 on: October 22, 2021, 08:39:52 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 22, 2021, 12:16:28 AM
1.VAERS actually manipulated the numbers so it would not look as bad. A few months ago the number was closer to 50k deaths, which means they could probably be in the hundreds of thousands by now.

Where is the evidence of this?

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2. Reports have been flooding in since the beginning in that the injury and death numbers are actually way worse, and given how doctors are demonize/cancelled/fired for talking about Ivermectin it’s obvious that medical censorship is a huge problem right now. Plenty of medical personnel have spoken out anyway because the are so horrified by what is going on and refuse to be part of it even if it means destroying their careers and reputations.

If that were true, why are the vast majority of doctors taking the vaccine?

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3. We just found out that Faucci lied to congress about the wuhan lab gain of function and the NIH actually funded the lab that produced Covid-19. Why would anybody trust the word of a known liar? Why should we trust someone who covertly funded illegal experiments fully realizing that they could escape and kill millions of people, and admitted on a recording that ithe worst case scenario would still be “worth it”?

I don't trust Fauci, but I can distrust Fauci and still trust the vaccine is by in large safe and effective.

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4. The official sources have been literally wrong about every detail of the pandemic since the beginning while pushing a constantly shifting  and often self-contradicting narrative, meanwhile conspiracy theorists have had a stunningly accurate track record regularly scooping the mainstream media months in advance.

About some details sure, but not all details. Plus you are doing a bit of monday morning quarterbacking here. We can't reasonably expect the doctors and scientists to know everything in the beginning and never make an innacurate prediction especially about an evolving situation. There has been a huge failure in messaging, I will give you that, but I don't think the scientists have utterly failed.


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5. Things are about to get a lot worse. The initial excess deaths were mostly due to blood clots, but we have just entered the “pandemic of the vaccinated” phase as ADE sets in. Add to this the newly discovered cancer risks and whatever else pops up over the next few years that we have no idea about yet because this stuff WAS NEVER TESTED ON HUMANS BEFORE.

Predictions without merit in my opinion but obviously we can't settle this for another year or two.
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Inspector

Re: The Jab
« Reply #883 on: October 23, 2021, 01:08:06 PM »
Biden says police officers, first responders should be fired for refusing jab

https://www.yahoo.com/now/biden-says-police-officers-first-021152033.html
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eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #884 on: October 23, 2021, 11:06:28 PM »
Quote from: Inspector on October 23, 2021, 01:08:06 PM
Biden says police officers, first responders should be fired for refusing jab

https://www.yahoo.com/now/biden-says-police-officers-first-021152033.html

Hope his secret service walks out one day.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The Jab
« Reply #885 on: October 24, 2021, 12:00:06 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 23, 2021, 11:06:28 PM
Hope his secret service walks out one day.

If they did, Biden wouldn't noticed if nobody told him .....
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hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #886 on: October 24, 2021, 06:56:19 AM »
A secret service sickout might not be too far off in the future. Loyalty is running low now that everyone can see what a disaster this administration is
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hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #887 on: October 24, 2021, 07:12:25 AM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 22, 2021, 08:39:52 PM
Where is the evidence of this?

COULD BE AS MANY AS 150K NOW

https://centipedenation.com/first-column/150k-records-deleted-from-vaers-covid-database/

If that were true, why are the vast majority of doctors taking the vaccine?

HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT? LOTS OF THEM HAVE BEEN THREATENED AND SILENCED

I don't trust Fauci, but I can distrust Fauci and still trust the vaccine is by in large safe and effective.

YOU COULD, BUT THAT WOULD BE IGNORING MASSIVE CORRUPTION AND SCANDAL IN THE MEDICAL/PHARMA INDUSTRY AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS

About some details sure, but not all details. Plus you are doing a bit of monday morning quarterbacking here. We can't reasonably expect the doctors and scientists to know everything in the beginning and never make an innacurate prediction especially about an evolving situation. There has been a huge failure in messaging, I will give you that, but I don't think the scientists have utterly failed.

IS THE WUHAN LAB LEAK A DETAIL? HOW ABOUT ILLEGAL MANDATES, VACCINE DANGERS, OR DECLINING EFFECTIVENESS? ALL THESE WERE CONSPIRACY THEORIES A FEW MONTHS AGO

Predictions without merit in my opinion but obviously we can't settle this for another year or two.

YOU’VE BEEN WRONG FROM THE GET GO BUT THAT’S NEVER STOPPED YOU FROM EXPLAINING EVERYTHING ANYWAY
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changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #888 on: October 24, 2021, 09:14:30 AM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 24, 2021, 06:56:19 AM
A secret service sickout might not be too far off in the future. Loyalty is running low now that everyone can see what a disaster this administration is
Nah, they protect based on the office. Not person whos in the office

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hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #889 on: October 24, 2021, 02:14:41 PM »
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changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #890 on: October 24, 2021, 03:59:05 PM »
When u run out of fake reasons for people to be vaxxed.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/covid-vaccination-deaths-cdc/2021/10/23/id/1041709/

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The Jab
« Reply #891 on: October 24, 2021, 04:13:31 PM »
Quote from: changemyoil66 on October 24, 2021, 03:59:05 PM
When u run out of fake reasons for people to be vaxxed.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/covid-vaccination-deaths-cdc/2021/10/23/id/1041709/

What I got from this:  There is no evidence that the mortality rate of vaccinated people is any higher than unvaccinated people if you only count non-COVID deaths.

They are trying to conclude that, all things being equal, the risk of dying from causes other than COVID is the same between the two groups.  That the vaccine doesn't increase your changes of dying, so it's safe.

My first counter-argument:  Who said "death" was the only measure of "safety?"

That only addresses the "won't kill you" factor.  What about the "will stop you from dying of COVID" factor?  What they glaringly left out was the comparison of vaccinated who died from COVID vs. unvaccinated who died from COVID.

So far, the best the doctors can say is, comorbidity plays a bigger role in the COVID survival rate than the vaccine, and that the vaccine may prevent hospitalization of new cases.  They are unable/unwilling to go that next step and conclude that the vaccine will stop you from dying if you get COVID.

Experts were calling breakthrough cases "rare."  Now they are calling them "uncommon."

To me, the vaccine's benefits need to outweigh the risks.  So far, it's still looking like a coin toss.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #892 on: October 24, 2021, 10:01:44 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 24, 2021, 07:12:25 AM
Where is the evidence of this?

COULD BE AS MANY AS 150K NOW

https://centipedenation.com/first-column/150k-records-deleted-from-vaers-covid-database/

Skimmed through the video, I think what he does raises some value questions but consider that there could also be perfectly valid reasons as well. Just off the top of my head I wonder how they control for duplicate reports, so if someone dies maybe the Dr. reports it, the wife reports it, and the son reports it.


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HOW WOULD YOU KNOW THAT? LOTS OF THEM HAVE BEEN THREATENED AND SILENCED

Thats what the numbers are saying. And if people were just silencing the doctors who disagree why not silence the nurses as well? We see doctors vaccinated at very high rates and nurses are significantly lower rates. If someone were silencing people why only silence the doctors? Furthermore what doctors are actually silenced?


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YOU COULD, BUT THAT WOULD BE IGNORING MASSIVE CORRUPTION AND SCANDAL IN THE MEDICAL/PHARMA INDUSTRY AT THE HIGHEST LEVELS

Conflict of interest is an issue but it doesn't indicate corruption is happening. There is always money to be made. Someone making money off Ivermectin, someone making money of homeopathic cures, etc. Not that I trust pharma a whole lot but I think the nature of the pandemic and the vaccine program actually makes them more trustworthy than usual. Not only is there so much more attention on these companies but by having the government promise to pay for doses of the vaccine whether it worked or not they reduced the issue of a company lying about a product for fear of losing their investment cost. But I certainly do understand why people are hesitant to trust these companies. How many billion dollar settlements are in the process over various drugs and products right now!


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IS THE WUHAN LAB LEAK A DETAIL? HOW ABOUT ILLEGAL MANDATES, VACCINE DANGERS, OR DECLINING EFFECTIVENESS? ALL THESE WERE CONSPIRACY THEORIES A FEW MONTHS AGO

1. Wuhan Lab Leak - I'll give you that one
2. Illegal mandates - Somewhat agree, somewhat disagree depending on the specific mandate
3. Vaccine dangers - I don't think they have lied to use about the dangers
4. Declining effectiveness - This was always a possibility and is a fact of biology. I think perhaps messaging was poor here but if the public had some misconception about how vaccines work that doesn't mean the scientists lied. A lot of people seemed to think vaccines prevented you from ever catching a disease but that stems from an ignorant public thinking they know how medicine works, not from the scientists lying to us.


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YOU’VE BEEN WRONG FROM THE GET GO BUT THAT’S NEVER STOPPED YOU FROM EXPLAINING EVERYTHING ANYWAY

Proven wrong about what?
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hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #893 on: October 24, 2021, 10:28:33 PM »
Did this compulsion to explain away the evil deeds of the worst people in the world start when you were younger, or did it develop over time as you slowly lost you soul?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: The Jab
« Reply #894 on: October 24, 2021, 10:55:28 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 24, 2021, 10:28:33 PM
Did this compulsion to explain away the evil deeds of the worst people in the world start when you were younger, or did it develop over time as you slowly lost you soul?

There's a reason it's called "Devil's Advocate."

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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aieahound

Re: The Jab
« Reply #895 on: October 25, 2021, 10:23:24 AM »
From John Oliver:

“The constant refrain we hear from cops every time they kill an unarmed black person is, ‘They should have complied with commands’, because as long as you comply things will supposedly go well,” Oliver said. “But that only seems to work one way. When officers are asked to follow simple rules or face consequences, a not insignificant amount of them flip their s***.”

Not supporting it, but enjoyed it.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #896 on: October 25, 2021, 09:07:39 PM »
Quote from: hvybarrels on October 24, 2021, 10:28:33 PM
Did this compulsion to explain away the evil deeds of the worst people in the world start when you were younger, or did it develop over time as you slowly lost you soul?

So now objectivity is explaining away evil deeds of the worst people in the world?

Plus, what is currently being done by who in this pandemic that could be compared to evil deeds of the worst people in the world? Talk about a hyperbole. Can you even look at an opposing argument without trying to demonize you opponent? Lets lower the emotion a little and increase the logical reasoning a little.
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macsak

Re: The Jab
« Reply #897 on: October 25, 2021, 09:42:09 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 25, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
So now objectivity is explaining away evil deeds of the worst people in the world?

Plus, what is currently being done by who in this pandemic that could be compared to evil deeds of the worst people in the world? Talk about a hyperbole. Can you even look at an opposing argument without trying to demonize you opponent? Lets lower the emotion a little and increase the logical reasoning a little.

says the guy that chalks up anti-vaxx/anti-mask sentiment to groupthink...
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eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #898 on: October 25, 2021, 09:53:37 PM »
Quote from: macsak on October 25, 2021, 09:42:09 PM
says the guy that chalks up anti-vaxx/anti-mask sentiment to groupthink...

That observation is the direct result of less emotion and more logical reasoning.  :thumbsup:
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hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #899 on: October 25, 2021, 10:15:36 PM »
Quote from: eyeeatingfish on October 25, 2021, 09:07:39 PM
So now objectivity is explaining away evil deeds of the worst people in the world?

Plus, what is currently being done by who in this pandemic that could be compared to evil deeds of the worst people in the world? Talk about a hyperbole. Can you even look at an opposing argument without trying to demonize you opponent? Lets lower the emotion a little and increase the logical reasoning a little.

Whatever Mr. Spock

I may be counting my last days with friends and family who could die soon from poisoned useless jabs, and in the meantime I'm sick of this semantic circle jerk where you recycle lies, get caught, and then double back to do it again. 

Maybe you can have me red-flagged for being "unreasonable".
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