Prayers to your father, for a speedy recovery.   

Mahalo! Stage 2 and contained only within the kidney. I am guessing that since he has two kidneys he can probably just get one removed and have it be a safe bet that he will be ok.

In the beginning of the AID epidemic, there was no test -- primarily because they didn't know what was causing it.  What they knew early on was people were dying from diseases that almost nobody was getting anymore, like rare lung diseases.  Middle age patients were dying from things only children contracted.  Once they realized it was an autoimmune deficiency, they then had to isolate how it was happening.

The first tests were a reutilization of hepatitis tests.  That gave the CDC the ability to start identifying the rate of transmission and tracing contacts.  The FDA didn't have an approved test until 1985, even though the existence of AIDS (formerly known as GRID) was becoming a major concern for the CDC by 1980..

Early on, it was theorized that the disease was only transmitted through Gay sex and sharing of needles among drug users, and for some reason those of Haitian descent.  But, once hemophiliacs started contracting the disease through transfusions and blood products, the blood supply was already tainted and creating an even larger population of HIV infected patients.  You can have HIV for a few months to many years before any symptoms, so knowing who had it without proper testing was an impossibility.

One very critical factor that kept the blood supply from being kept safe was cost.  The suppliers could not have stayed in business if they had to bear the cost of testing every single donation.

It's a very complicated and draw out discussion, but that's the high level stuff.

Gotcha. I had heard of people who had unprotected sex knowing full well they were diagnosed with having HIV so I thought maybe you were talking about something like that but for blood donations. In the case you were describing it sounds like much more a failure of the blood banks.

Sorry to hear about your dad's kidneys, but you're inflating the impact of COVID patients on other patients.

If COVD patient A has no or minor symptoms, they go home and isolate.  No hospital bed needed.

If COVID patient B is having a way worse time with COVID, they are normally placed on a respirator in the ICU.  That's my understanding, but I'm sure there are exceptions.

Your father would not be in an ICU.  If he's admitted for chemo, he'll get a regular room to rest in between therapy sessions.  If he's not that bad, he could also receive chemo treatments as an outpatient, just showing up for the chemo and going back home.

The main reason beds is an issue for COVID is because there are so few ICU-equipped beds, not that there are COVID patients taking up all the regular hospital beds.

Even in NY, when Cuomo was crying about so many patients overwhelming the hospitals, they didn't use a single bed in the stadium "hospital" or the hospital ship Trump sent there for NY to use.

Don't believe the doom and gloom stories you're being fed.  I'm sure some are true -- to a point.  Most I have a feeling are blown way out of proportion.

I've noticed in today's victim-loving society, people love to exaggerate their plights.

As I understand the worst case situation currently going on in Idaho, someone needing chemo would not be greatly affected because it is an outpatient thing. But someone needing a surgery where one would be put under and be in a bed for a few days would not be seen. Not sure how significant a surgery a kidney removal is but in the worst case scenario he could theoretically be told to push the surgery back if it required a longer stay. But where is he now isn't currently facing that situation so I think he could avoid it. I am sure many other cities aren't there yet but a few places are, whether through more covid infections, fewer hospital beds per capita, or both.

I think I mentioned this before but I went shooting with a surgeon and he told me of a patient with a tumor that was discovered when covid was just beginning. He told me the patient had been turned away due to covid lockdown and hospitals prioritizing  potential covid patients. By the time the patient came back and could be seen the cancer had spread. Now arguably this could have been the fault of an overzealous shutdown but the same thing could happen if hospitals did get overwhelmed as well.

TDS is real.  If the Democrat nominees say don't trust "Trump's vaccine," a lot of their followers need not hear another word.

Sort of a side note but I can't help but wonder, if Trump had won the election and was championing the vaccine that everything would be switched. The MAGA hat wearers would be pushing vaccine mandates and the liberals would be the vaccine hesitant wanting freedom of choice.

I wasnt old enough during the hiv/aids issue, but didnt people blame gay men?

So history repeating. Even george takei is blaming the unvaxxed.

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I wasnt old enough during the hiv/aids issue, but didnt people blame gay men?

So history repeating. Even george takei is blaming the unvaxxed.

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I wasn't old enough when it was just starting to hit but remember it being a big thing to teach in school in the 1990s.

It started as an epidemic mostly seen in groups of gay men. I think with the attitudes about homosexuals at the time it might not have been given as much attention or maybe people were hesitant to admit being gay? At some point it began spreading more beyond just the gay men party scene. I think people maybe blamed the gay community because there was a lot of casual sex with multiple partners.

This is kind of off topic but there was a very interesting documentary that questions a lot about the HIV/AIDS narrative, it is called House of Numbers and I think it is free to watch. Well made. One thing that video pointed out was that there was a drug that was commonly used among the gay party community and one of the side effects of that drug was that it inhibited the immune system so it may have at least partially explained why this crowd was dying from things a healthy person shouldn't.  Good movie if you ever have downtime and don't know what  to do.
https://www.houseofnumbers.com

Parameters? The parameters are the context of covid. A thought experiment doesn't always have to have a right or wrong answer. Regardless, concluding that I was saying the unvaccinated are akin to terrorists is wholly unsupported and if anything just shows a defensive mindset, not an actual thought process.

You say you weren't equating unvaxxed with terrorists. 

So, how else is one to interpret the example of terrorists within the context of COVID? 

I noticed you didn't mention China -- the most likely terrorist in the context of COVID.

I wasnt old enough during the hiv/aids issue, but didnt people blame gay men?

So history repeating. Even george takei is blaming the unvaxxed.

Fear of AIDS simply compounded lack of acceptance for Gay men.  If you do some research, you'll see that the Gay community in San Francisco actually fought the CDC in their efforts to reduce the rate of infection.  In that regard, it's logical to blame the Gay activists for at least some of the spread.

If you're really interested in the history of HIV/AIDS and the government's problems trying to identify, test, and prevent HIV and deal with the blood supply, the movie And the Band Played On is excellent.  A star-studded cast and great historical highlights make it educational and enjoyable.

You can watch it for free on YouTube.

ust today I found out my father has kidney cancer and so far the prognosis sounds relatively good but if he were in an area being hit hard with hospitals being filled up by the unvaccinated covid patients he could be told to wait till things blow over.

Sorry to hear about your dad, but you are basically begging me to flip the premise here.

Didn't your dad make decisions his whole life that could have led up to him getting kidney cancer?

Cancer is a very common disease, so he if willingly did thinks like eat spam and drink alcohol then he chose to accept the consequence of a higher risk category.

Why is that not grounds for putting him on a lower priority of care to make room for those who can prove that they tried harder?




Trust me, you don't want to live in the world you are trying to create

Just had another person I know die of covd after the "The Jab" .
That's 2 people I personally know who died after vaccination vs the 17 others I know (aged 13-20, 39-46 and  66-68) who were un-vaccinated, got covid, suffered mild symptoms and no hospitalization and carried on after a week or so.

Just had another person I know die of covd after the "The Jab" .
That's 2 people I personally know who died after vaccination vs the 17 others I know (aged 13-20, 39-46 and  66-68) who were un-vaccinated, got covid, suffered mild symptoms and no hospitalization and carried on after a week or so.

Very sorry to hear that Rocky. . . condolences. . . 

Just had another person I know die of covd after the "The Jab" .
That's 2 people I personally know who died after vaccination vs the 17 others I know (aged 13-20, 39-46 and  66-68) who were un-vaccinated, got covid, suffered mild symptoms and no hospitalization and carried on after a week or so.

My condolences, prayers & thoughts go out to them!

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Sorry to hear about your dad, but you are basically begging me to flip the premise here.

Didn't your dad make decisions his whole life that could have led up to him getting kidney cancer?

Cancer is a very common disease, so he if willingly did thinks like eat spam and drink alcohol then he chose to accept the consequence of a higher risk category.

Why is that not grounds for putting him on a lower priority of care to make room for those who can prove that they tried harder?




Trust me, you don't want to live in the world you are trying to create

I was thinking something similar, but didn't want to go there.

A relative of mine got the jab and her first period came since getting jabbed and the blood was a lighter red than the normal darker red.  Her period blood is always the same color, so this is something new.

A relative of mine got the jab and her first period came since getting jabbed and the blood was a lighter red than the normal darker red.  Her period blood is always the same color, so this is something new.

Dark red blood is normally from a deeper internal origin ("old" blood)

Lighter red blood is normally from a source closer to the surface ("fresh" blood)

Not sure how that equates to menstrual fluid.  I'd see a doctor about it.

Dark red blood is normally from a deeper internal origin ("old" blood)

Lighter red blood is normally from a source closer to the surface ("fresh" blood)

Not sure how that equates to menstrual fluid.  I'd see a doctor about it.

She's gonna call her OBGYN.  If this happens before or every so often, then no big deal. But this has never happened b4.

Where's our resident expert when we need him. I'm sure he's also a women's body system expert too.

She's gonna call her OBGYN.  If this happens before or every so often, then no big deal. But this has never happened b4.

Where's our resident expert when we need him. I'm sure he's also a women's body system expert too.

I'm not an OBGYN, but I have detailed files....   

She's gonna call her OBGYN.  If this happens before or every so often, then no big deal. But this has never happened b4.

Where's our resident expert when we need him. I'm sure he's also a women's body system expert too.

Having seen one on porn makes one an expert, right? 

Having seen one on porn makes one an expert, right?

Or talked to someone who ever saw one, makes you an expert.