The Jab (Read 174414 times)

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #940 on: October 29, 2021, 07:45:40 PM »
then why didn't you say that?
your first sentence questions the efficacy of existing vaccines...
therefore, NOT a strawman

Questioned the efficacy so we could compare them to other vaccines. So for example if covid vaccines are 65% effective but most other vaccines are 75% effective (made up number) then we have a gauge to say how good or poorly the covid vaccine is fairing.

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #941 on: October 29, 2021, 07:49:04 PM »
From the news I have heard, a company is developing a traditional style vaccine to combat covid (inactivated viruses). I am curious, for the people who are vaccine hesitant due to mRNA being a new technology, would you guys then go get this new vaccine? (not chinese/russian vaccines)
« Last Edit: October 29, 2021, 08:19:12 PM by eyeeatingfish »

macsak

Re: The Jab
« Reply #942 on: October 29, 2021, 07:53:23 PM »
From the news I have heard, a company is developing a traditional style vaccine to combat covid (inactivated viruses). I am curious, for the people who are vaccine hesitant due to mRNA being a new technology, would you guys then go get this new vaccine?

those types of vaccines already exist
sinovac (chinese) and sputnik (russian)

macsak

Re: The Jab
« Reply #943 on: October 29, 2021, 07:56:00 PM »
From the news I have heard, a company is developing a traditional style vaccine to combat covid (inactivated viruses). I am curious, for the people who are vaccine hesitant due to mRNA being a new technology, would you guys then go get this new vaccine?

novavax (using moth cells to make spike proteins) is perhaps what you are thinking of
this is also a more traditional form of vaccine (making parts of the virus that are unable to replicate and infect)
and is more close to being approved
however, they are having issues with being able to efficiently get a proper concentration of spike protein...

macsak

Re: The Jab
« Reply #944 on: October 29, 2021, 07:56:58 PM »
Questioned the efficacy so we could compare them to other vaccines. So for example if covid vaccines are 65% effective but most other vaccines are 75% effective (made up number) then we have a gauge to say how good or poorly the covid vaccine is fairing.

faring

macsak

Re: The Jab
« Reply #945 on: October 29, 2021, 07:57:59 PM »
Questioned the efficacy so we could compare them to other vaccines. So for example if covid vaccines are 65% effective but most other vaccines are 75% effective (made up number) then we have a gauge to say how good or poorly the covid vaccine is fairing.

if you would have worded it like in your second post, it would've been obvious what your point was
therefore, not a strawman

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #946 on: October 29, 2021, 08:18:44 PM »
those types of vaccines already exist
sinovac (chinese) and sputnik (russian)

You didn't answer my question though. And for the sake of my question I had in mind an American vaccine.

(Personally I wouldn't trust a Russian vaccine and even less so a Chinese one)

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #947 on: October 29, 2021, 08:20:41 PM »
novavax (using moth cells to make spike proteins) is perhaps what you are thinking of
this is also a more traditional form of vaccine (making parts of the virus that are unable to replicate and infect)
and is more close to being approved
however, they are having issues with being able to efficiently get a proper concentration of spike protein...

Possibly. I haven't heard manyspecifics about the traditional style vaccine, only that a company was making one. My wife said Japan is also working on a traditional style vaccine too.

eyeeatingfish

Re: The Jab
« Reply #948 on: October 29, 2021, 08:21:20 PM »
if you would have worded it like in your second post, it would've been obvious what your point was
therefore, not a strawman

Agree to disagree. Regardless, glad we could resolve it.

changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #949 on: October 29, 2021, 08:32:22 PM »
Could that thing just be bureaucracy? Trials are notoriously slow and just look at the difficulty for patients who are dying to be allowed to take experimental treatments.
Decades slow? They must be have all oahu c&c workers.

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changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #950 on: October 29, 2021, 08:35:05 PM »
You didn't answer my question though. And for the sake of my question I had in mind an American vaccine.

(Personally I wouldn't trust a Russian vaccine and even less so a Chinese one)
I would trust the vaxx putins daughter took. If it didnt work or anything went wrong (side effects), to the gulag every scientist goes.

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macsak

Re: The Jab
« Reply #951 on: October 29, 2021, 08:50:49 PM »
You didn't answer my question though. And for the sake of my question I had in mind an American vaccine.

(Personally I wouldn't trust a Russian vaccine and even less so a Chinese one)

why do i have to answer your question?
it's just one more of your hypothetical word games...

MassConfusion

Re: The Jab
« Reply #952 on: October 29, 2021, 10:06:25 PM »
Sure, these things are all potential possibilities, but I think we should weigh that against the unknowns of covid as well shouldn't we? What if covid affects reproduction and we don't find out for a few years?
I do have a certain amount of faith that scientists have, in their 3 decades of studying this mrna technology, figured out enough to at least have a general idea of how it interacts with our body. Doesn't alleviate all my fear though. I will say though, if everyone had the attitude of a new vaccine having zero track record then we would have any vaccines ever because no one would be willing to take it.

I think figuring out the current pandemic would be more high priority than figuring out why the flu isn't killing more people. Plus the masking, hand washing, and isolation sure makes a lot sense in explaining this disappearance.
I fully agree it is a stupid mistake not to consider natural immunity as equivalent to being vaccinated for the purposes of any government mandates.
I don't know what you mean when you say no one has isolated and analyzed the covid virus. So we haven't really seen it under a microscope before?
You are making this harder than it has to be.
https://www.johnccarleton.org/BLOGGER/2021/08/07/written-proof-cdc-has-no-isolated-purified-sample-of-sars-cov-2-virus-that-causes-covid-19/
So how did they make a vaccine for a virus they didnt analyse?  The patents for the "vaxxs" were filed years ago. The current tests dont distinguish between covid, flu, cold or others.
Masks never got rid of the flu same as they dont stop covid. Where did the flu go?  Probably nowhere. Covid flu cold.... Whatever.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/47-studies-confirm-inefectiveness-of-masks-for-covid-and-32-more-confirm-their-negative-health-effects/
EUA vax would not be allowed to be authorized unless no treatments are available. Ignore the hit pieces on HCQ and the 2015 Nobel prize for ivermectin and you are set. EUA granted.  :wacko:
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macsak

macsak

Re: The Jab
« Reply #954 on: October 30, 2021, 05:58:58 AM »
You are making this harder than it has to be.
https://www.johnccarleton.org/BLOGGER/2021/08/07/written-proof-cdc-has-no-isolated-purified-sample-of-sars-cov-2-virus-that-causes-covid-19/
So how did they make a vaccine for a virus they didnt analyse?  The patents for the "vaxxs" were filed years ago. The current tests dont distinguish between covid, flu, cold or others.
Masks never got rid of the flu same as they dont stop covid. Where did the flu go?  Probably nowhere. Covid flu cold.... Whatever.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/47-studies-confirm-inefectiveness-of-masks-for-covid-and-32-more-confirm-their-negative-health-effects/
EUA vax would not be allowed to be authorized unless no treatments are available. Ignore the hit pieces on HCQ and the 2015 Nobel prize for ivermectin and you are set. EUA granted.  :wacko:

yes, they do

hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #955 on: October 30, 2021, 09:26:09 AM »
why do i have to answer your question?
it's just one more of your hypothetical word games...


The problem governments are trying to solve is the existence of your freedom.

hvybarrels

Re: The Jab
« Reply #956 on: October 30, 2021, 12:24:55 PM »
https://www.kitv.com/story/45087930/fda-authorizes-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-for-children-5-to-11

Zero benefit. Way too much risk. This goes beyond unethical or negligent into the territory of criminal and possibly even demonic.
The problem governments are trying to solve is the existence of your freedom.

Inspector

Re: The Jab
« Reply #957 on: October 30, 2021, 01:18:32 PM »
https://www.kitv.com/story/45087930/fda-authorizes-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-for-children-5-to-11

Zero benefit. Way too much risk. This goes beyond unethical or negligent into the territory of criminal and possibly even demonic.
The death rate for children of this age group is so minuscule and negligible that I agree with what you are saying here.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

Inspector

Re: The Jab
« Reply #958 on: October 31, 2021, 04:54:36 AM »
Thought I would cross post this article about vaccine mandates in NYC

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=38772.msg401800#msg401800
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

changemyoil66

Re: The Jab
« Reply #959 on: October 31, 2021, 08:26:44 AM »
The media loves stories like these. But ignore the millions who didnt die. Im a perfect example. Totally fine and was unvaxxed. Mrs. Cmo too.

But now her period is different (got vaxxed and 1st cycle changed). Gyno said if it continues for 3 months to call her back, but for now dont worry.

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