Has anyone tried to go yet?

I heard HPD turned people away (hpd reached their limit) on the first day lol.

I can see it overcrowding cause alot of people bought during the pandemic and wanna start his or her own process already so he or she can bring that gun home

Yes.  I was there on Tuesday and the line was cut off 2 guys in front of me.  And I was there at 6:40.  There was about 50 people behind me.  We all got turned down.
Today I was there at 5:40.  I was 10th in line.  I managed to get my shit done by 9:30.  Still had tons od disappointed people.
The things we do to exercise our 2a rights....

What an utter waste.   50 people like up and wait at 6am.  Then wait hours.   This is why appointments (should)  exist.  F%&k that I won't wait.   Guess I won't be buying new stuff for a little while. 

What an utter waste.   50 people like up and wait at 6am.  Then wait hours.   This is why appointments (should)  exist.  Fuck that I won't wait.   Guess I won't be buying new stuff for a little while.

Hey, moron.  Do you even stop to think before you post?

If there are that many people using the new walk-in procedures, maybe it's because the appointment method isn't working.  That many people were unable to get appointments when they needed them, so for them, the process is broken.

Not everyone is willing to try for weeks to get a booking, then sit on their butts for 3 months before buying the guns they want.  If there's a sale that makes a gun they really want affordable, they have to pass on it or wait over 3 months to get it -- in which time the prices might come down to less than they already paid.

You have such a linear, one dimensional mind.

P.S.  Using profanity again?  I thought being banned for that would have made you wiser.  Apparently you can't learn new things.

Hey, moron.  Do you even stop to think before you post?

If there are that many people using the new walk-in procedures, maybe it's because the appointment method isn't working.  That many people were unable to get appointments when they needed them, so for them, the process is broken.

Not everyone is willing to try for weeks to get a booking, then sit on their butts for 3 months before buying the guns they want.  If there's a sale that makes a gun they really want affordable, they have to pass on it or wait over 3 months to get it -- in which time the prices might come down to less than they already paid.

You have such a linear, one dimensional mind.

P.S.  Using profanity again?  I thought being banned for that would have made you wiser.  Apparently you can't learn new things.

There will always be a side that is upset.  Clearly there are people out there that appointments worked, and worked great.   I've always said we should have both.  But this system of walk in only is horrible.  You can't justify it. 

Yes.  I was there on Tuesday and the line was cut off 2 guys in front of me.  And I was there at 6:40.  There was about 50 people behind me.  We all got turned down.
Today I was there at 5:40.  I was 10th in line.  I managed to get my shit done by 9:30.  Still had tons od disappointed people.
The things we do to exercise our 2a rights....

Aww man. Thats crazy. Sorry you had to make a second trip to get your stuff done. I wonder if i wait a couple weeks, it will get better..

May i ask where you parked? (This is my major problem,no one to help me)

Is the downstairs meters open that early?

Waking up isnt a problem for me. Im usually up by 0100 hours lol.

Anyone know if the registration line as bad as PTA? Any days in particular that are less busy? I recently received a call from HPD reminding me to register...

There will always be a side that is upset.  Clearly there are people out there that appointments worked, and worked great.   I've always said we should have both.  But this system of walk in only is horrible.  You can't justify it.

You can't base your opinion on the very first sample of a new process.  The pent-up demand is going to taper off over the next month, and the number of people in line will drop significantly.  It always has after some event increases demand:  New pushes for AW bans, Mass Shootings, Black Friday sales, Presidential elections, etc.

You tried to swap appointments with me, and you wound up losing the appointment meant for you in the process.

How would you rate that HPD appointment experience?

-- Very Satisfied ("Worked Great")   -- Satisfied   -- Somewhat Satisfied ("Worked")

-- Neutral

-- Dissatisfied   -- Somewhat Dissatisfied   -- Very Dissatisfied[/b]

Anyone know if the registration line as bad as PTA? Any days in particular that are less busy? I recently received a call from HPD reminding me to register...

Go about mid-day.  There was nobody in front of me in the registration vestibule.  We got there about 12:30, picked up the permit, signed it, and did the registration in about 20 minutes.

When I drove by HPD this morning (I think around 615 ish), there was a line from the ewa/mauka corner of the building to the elevator.  Not positive what the line was for, but I think it was for PTA.  I had not seen that line in the 2-3 weeks prior. 

I was like "eh, was there a gun show last week" for the surge of folks.  If I had to guess, there were well over 30 folks in line. 

Go about mid-day.  There was nobody in front of me in the registration vestibule.  We got there about 12:30, picked up the permit, signed it, and did the registration in about 20 minutes.

Thanks for the advice 

You can't base your opinion on the very first sample of a new process.  The pent-up demand is going to taper off over the next month, and the number of people in line will drop significantly.  It always has after some event increases demand:  New pushes for AW bans, Mass Shootings, Black Friday sales, Presidential elections, etc.

You tried to swap appointments with me, and you wound up losing the appointment meant for you in the process.

How would you rate that HPD appointment experience?

-- Very Satisfied ("Worked Great")   -- Satisfied   -- Somewhat Satisfied ("Worked")

-- Neutral

-- Dissatisfied   -- Somewhat Dissatisfied   -- Very Dissatisfied[/b]

I have been buying guns for almost 7 years.  This is the best experience I've had when I had an appointment.  Many others have said the same.  Knowing when to go and not waiting in a needless line is amazing.  DMV, etc all use appointments.

Yup I tried to swap and it didn't work.  Was still far better overall than previously.  I've had many successful appointments with no issues. HPD seemed to be happier too,  much more efficient.

I have been buying guns for almost 7 years.  This is the best experience I've had when I had an appointment.  Many others have said the same.  Knowing when to go and not waiting in a needless line is amazing.  DMV, etc all use appointments.

Yup I tried to swap and it didn't work.  Was still far better overall than previously.  I've had many successful appointments with no issues. HPD seemed to be happier too,  much more efficient.

There are other factors:

Permit and Registration has been separated into to physically separate areas.  No longer have everyone in one line.

Number of officers servicing us has increased -- necessitated to man two areas now.

No longer have to stand in the same, single line to pick up permits. Basically took one line and split it into three:  Permit applications, Permit Pickup, and Registration.

Many forms can be printed  and completed online now.  Before, even if you tried to use the online forms, depending on which officer you got, you probably had to redo them using the forms they handed you.

Most of the process is digitized now instead of using the old multi-copy forms.

Fingerprinting is all digital now.  Before, only out-of-state registrations used the digital for submission to the national stolen firearms database.  All other "normal" permit applicants used ink printing.

So, you can pretend online appointments made the difference, but we all know that's not the case.

There are other factors:

Permit and Registration has been separated into to physically separate areas.  No longer have everyone in one line.

Number of officers servicing us has increased -- necessitated to man two areas now.

No longer have to stand in the same, single line to pick up permits. Basically took one line and split it into three:  Permit applications, Permit Pickup, and Registration.

Many forms can be printed  and completed online now.  Before, even if you tried to use the online forms, depending on which officer you got, you probably had to redo them using the forms they handed you.

Most of the process is digitized now instead of using the old multi-copy forms.

Fingerprinting is all digital now.  Before, only out-of-state registrations used the digital for submission to the national stolen firearms database.  All other "normal" permit applicants used ink printing.

So, you can pretend online appointments made the difference, but we all know that's not the case.

All of those are valid,  but to pretend online appointments is not positive is foolish.  Having an appointment is still theoretically the shortest line possible for you.

All of those are valid,  but to pretend online appointments is not positive is foolish.  Having an appointment is still theoretically the shortest line possible for you.

A 90 day window that is already booked solid is not my idea of "positive."

Nobody cares about what you personally like or dislike.  The appointment process has been just one more obstacle put in place to deter gun ownership.

If they really wanted to "help" the situation, why not open up the satellite city hall facilities for permit applications?  Would have spread the load among many locations versus trying to manage appointments (that relatively few buyers could actually book) using a system that allowed widespread abuse.

Gun stores selling appointments is no different than having an employee blocking the HPD entrance until you coughed up a hefty $75+ admission fee.

The appointment system is broken because people don’t show up or they take up multiple time slots/day.  If there is a ticket system, there needs to be a way for the system to ensure a person only has one appointment for any given day.  Also a standby line for no show or late appointment arrivals .  If they are late appointment arrivals, they can go to the end of the standby line or get another appointment. HPD would need to be strict on the lateness.  That means there would need to be away for people to check in at HPD.  The buffer is 1 min past the appointment.  I.e the checkin system clocks a person in at 10:01 for a 10:00, there late, go to the end of the standby line.  Lastly, no trading or giving appointment to someone else.

Case in point with the AlohaQ for drivers license.  I made an appointment for Thursday 2pm.  Later I saw an appointment for Wednesday 1pm, which I wanted.  The system knew I already made an appointment for Thursday and canceled it.  When I arrived at the DMV, there was someone there to check me in.

If HPD does that then I’ll would be good with an appointment system.  The only thing is what would be the time interval.  Every 10mins?


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The appointment system is broken because people don’t show up or they take up multiple time slots/day.  If there is a ticket system, there needs to be a way for the system to ensure a person only has one appointment for any given day.  Also a standby line for no show or late appointment arrivals .  If they are late appointment arrivals, they can go to the end of the standby line or get another appointment. HPD would need to be strict on the lateness.  That means there would need to be away for people to check in at HPD.  The buffer is 1 min past the appointment.  I.e the checkin system clocks a person in at 10:01 for a 10:00, there late, go to the end of the standby line.  Lastly, no trading or giving appointment to someone else.

Case in point with the AlohaQ for drivers license.  I made an appointment for Thursday 2pm.  Later I saw an appointment for Wednesday 1pm, which I wanted.  The system knew I already made an appointment for Thursday and canceled it.  When I arrived at the DMV, there was someone there to check me in.

If HPD does that then I’ll would be good with an appointment system.  The only thing is what would be the time interval.  Every 10mins?


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That mirrors my sentiments.  There are 1000s of ways to properly implement an online appointment booking and management system.

HPD didn't use any of them.

I went on a Wednesday for standby.  They only gave 10 people a stand in line pass.  All 10 were done by 10am-1030.  There was only one person that had an appointment show up.  The others where a no show.  I talked to one of the officer doing the PTA and he said that is normal for people not to show up.  He also said that if people showed up as walk-in and there was no one with appointments waiting, they would take them.  BTW the person giving out the pass is not one of the officers doing the PTA.  Also, PTA officers didn’t even ask to see my pass.  They waived me in and started asking for paperwork.

Try the Friday standby.  Even if your not one of ten, you still might make it in if no appointments show up.  Just fall in line after the 10th person.


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I have been buying guns for almost 7 years.  This is the best experience I've had when I had an appointment.  Many others have said the same.  Knowing when to go and not waiting in a needless line is amazing.  DMV, etc all use appointments.

Yup I tried to swap and it didn't work.  Was still far better overall than previously.  I've had many successful appointments with no issues. HPD seemed to be happier too,  much more efficient.

More omni solving the problems of the state.



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Aww man. Thats crazy. Sorry you had to make a second trip to get your stuff done. I wonder if i wait a couple weeks, it will get better..

May i ask where you parked? (This is my major problem,no one to help me)

Is the downstairs meters open that early?

Waking up isnt a problem for me. Im usually up by 0100 hours lol.

I parked in that underground municipal parking structure just past Alakea.  That early in the morning there are empty metered public stalls.  You don't have to feed the meters until 8:30 am.  Problem is when you are waiting in line before 8:30 you run the chance you won't get to your car to feed the meter after you get your time slot.

I didn't want to take that chance so I fed it, lol!  Ended up I didn't have to.  I got my 9:30 time slot and would have had time to go back to feed the meter before 8:30.  By the way, They took me in early which is why I was done by 9:30.  Either they processed people faster than the 10 minute slots or some people didn't show up.

And yes, the more I think about it, it seems like by October when everything is walk-in (and no government lockdowns) these ridiculous lines will ease. I believe the only reason for this recent clusterf*ck is because the appointment system was just a poor system that resulted in tons of people not getting appointments, and then we all rushed in this past Tuesday and Thursday.

The reason I wanted to get it done asap was because I didn't want to take a chance that our brave, courageous governor will lock down the state again and impose silly mandated restrictions that might affect the already f*cked up HPD firearms system.