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How often do you train WITH firearms?

<100 hours
66.7%
> 100 hours
33.3%
Total Members Voted
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Firearms Training (Read 12222 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2021, 01:04:23 PM »
Breaking news:  People evolved over time.
Was into training, then realized I just wanted to practice at the range.  Now its more of a hobby and a collection.  All valid.  Not everyone has to be commando tier. 

Physical condition too,  covid = no gym.  I am flat out of shape I couldn't properly train even if I wanted to.  Who knows what the future entails.  I plan to get back into shape and maybe I'll get a bit more serious.  But either way 2a isn't about that.  You can fully embrace 2a but never firing a shot.

Fake Breaking News!

People evolved over thousands, if not tens of thousands, of years.

You're acting like the 4 years you've been shooting/collecting constitutes an eon.   :crazy:

Nobody but YOU mentioned "commando."  There's a level of proficiency we all can meet, and it's not the "Rambo" level.

"Training" is different than "practice."  Training requires mastering new skills and techniques.  Practice involves punching holes in paper.

#CommandoAtHeart
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2021, 01:08:01 PM »
No more $ to spend to train like Commando/Rambo.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2021, 01:12:34 PM »
I don't recall doing anything unsafe.  You sure you got the right person?

I'm starting to think this is just an attempt at slandering me.

If every topic didn't devolve into being about you, you wouldn't know what to do with yourself.

 :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2021, 01:13:40 PM »
Fake Breaking News!

People evolved over thousands, if not tens of thousands, of years.

You're acting like the 4 years you've been shooting/collecting constitutes an eon.   :crazy:

Nobody but YOU mentioned "commando."  There's a level of proficiency we all can meet, and it's not the "Rambo" level.

"Training" is different than "practice."  Training requires mastering new skills and techniques.  Practice involves punching holes in paper.

#CommandoAtHeart

You don't have to do something for thousands of years to figure out what you like and don't.  For example personally it only takes me one time to figure out I don't like a certain food/dish. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2021, 01:18:26 PM »
You don't have to do something for thousands of years to figure out what you like and don't.  For example personally it only takes me one to figure out I don't like a certain food/dish.

That's not "evolving."  That's called personal experience and personal preference -- something you lack in most areas you pretend to lecture on.

Maybe you need a higher than 3rd grade vocabulary to convey more accurately what you're thinking?

So far, you haven't evolved as a forum member.  You must have decided you like bing a troll.

#NotSarcasm
#StillMakingItAllAboutYou
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

omnigun

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2021, 01:19:34 PM »
That's not "evolving."  That's called personal experience and personal preference -- something you lack in most areas you pretend to lecture on.

Maybe you need a higher than 3rd grade vocabulary to convey more accurately what you're thinking?

So far, you haven't evolved as a forum member.  You must have decided you like bing a troll.

#NotSarcasm
#StillMakingItAllAboutYou

Please show me the definition of evolve where it has to be over your specific references of time. 

changemyoil66

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2021, 01:23:31 PM »
That's not "evolving."  That's called personal experience and personal preference -- something you lack in most areas you pretend to lecture on.

Maybe you need a higher than 3rd grade vocabulary to convey more accurately what you're thinking?

So far, you haven't evolved as a forum member.  You must have decided you like bing a troll.

#NotSarcasm
#StillMakingItAllAboutYou

He's in denial about believing in god.  We covered this when he used the word created instead of evolution or evolved with regard to Delta.  He then replied to DCRK's post "not made in a lab" or something.

omnigun

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2021, 01:29:01 PM »
He's in denial about believing in god.  We covered this when he used the word created instead of evolution or evolved with regard to Delta.  He then replied to DCRK's post "not made in a lab" or something.

Lol.   You and deciding what words belong to religion. Starting to sound like the taliban.  God didn't create the word create or evolve.   :shaka:

Natural proceses can create virus varrients.  I can create children.  Am I God?  :crazy: :crazy:

changemyoil66

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2021, 01:36:42 PM »
Lol.   You and deciding what words belong to religion. Starting to sound like the taliban.  God didn't create the word create or evolve.   :shaka:

Natural proceses can create virus varrients.  I can create children.  Am I God?  :crazy: :crazy:

Totally didn't understand my post.  It's OK, everyone else did and had a laugh at your expense.

Did you create childen?  If no, then "I can create children" wouldn't be accurate. "I should be able to create children" is better.

If yes, then did you create more than 1?  "I can create a child" would be more accurate as children imply more than 1.

macsak

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #29 on: August 19, 2021, 01:43:57 PM »
I don't recall doing anything unsafe.  You sure you got the right person?

I'm starting to think this is just an attempt at slandering me.

please show me where i said i was talking about you...

changemyoil66

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2021, 01:51:35 PM »
please show me where i said i was talking about you...

Wow, he assumes "that guy" is in reference to himself.

aaronc5362

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #31 on: August 19, 2021, 01:52:30 PM »
Prob around 200 hours of actual range time with real firearms in my lifetime. No classes ever taken except my pistol affidavit class.

As for physical training, i do only 50 pushups a day and 50 situps a day. I usually get anywhere from 10k - 20k steps on my days of work, sometimes more. My backpack usually weighs 10- 15 lbs for work. Ya know... resistance training.  Weekends ehhhh... no comment. :popcorn:

Does airsoft count as training? I never wore ballistic plates but its like run and gun.. theres barriers, obstacles, uneven ground, uphill, downhill (depending where i played).  People shoot at me so i keep moving. This was all precovid cause fields shutdown. I heard its back up but i work on the days my friends go play. Unfortunately, i feel like this is the best active training cause paper targets dont shoot back. I wish we had that simmunition thing florida has. That would be cool as fuck. Seen it in a video.

Im not a star athlete, just wanna be able to see my toes everday without using a mirror hahaha.

drck1000

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2021, 01:52:48 PM »
Firearms training, which is a subject that I am really into and enjoy, so. . .

I am assuming OP is asking to flush out a snake in the grass, but I'll play.

Assuming formal training/classes, I would say over 100 hours lifetime.  I would want to have range time in the 10-20 hours per week window.  But realistically in the 10-20 hours per month.

For training opportunities, I am a big proponent of diversity.  Get tools to add to the tool box.  I've been to some classes where the instructors are folks with experience trying to teach.  Teaching in itself is a skill. 

I am always weary of instructors who have their way is THE only way.  Try their way and if it helps, then implement. Yeah, need to give things time.  But we are all built differently.  The instructors that I find myself returning to are those who will work to make everyone better, no matter their level. 

changemyoil66

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2021, 02:00:41 PM »
Prob around 200 hours of actual range time with real firearms in my lifetime. No classes ever taken except my pistol affidavit class.

As for physical training, i do only 50 pushups a day and 50 situps a day. I usually get anywhere from 10k - 20k steps on my days of work, sometimes more. My backpack usually weighs 10- 15 lbs for work. Ya know... resistance training.  Weekends ehhhh... no comment. :popcorn:

Does airsoft count as training? I never wore ballistic plates but its like run and gun.. theres barriers, obstacles, uneven ground, uphill, downhill (depending where i played).  People shoot at me so i keep moving. This was all precovid cause fields shutdown. I heard its back up but i work on the days my friends go play. Unfortunately, i feel like this is the best active training cause paper targets dont shoot back. I wish we had that simmunition thing florida has. That would be cool as fuck. Seen it in a video.

Im not a star athlete, just wanna be able to see my toes everday without using a mirror hahaha.

For Airsoft, I talked to the Dogs of War worker at the gun show.  He stated that when some SEALS came buy, they got worked by the 14 year old kids.  Real life is diff from airsoft. 1 example he gave was when asked what to do when someone is behind a wall.  The SEALS response was that they would shoot thru the wall.  Where as an airsofter cannot and a hit won't count if it hits the wall.

50 pushup and situps a day is very good. Many don't do any.

drck1000

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2021, 02:01:07 PM »
Prob around 200 hours of actual range time with real firearms in my lifetime. No classes ever taken except my pistol affidavit class.

1) As for physical training, i do only 50 pushups a day and 50 situps a day. I usually get anywhere from 10k - 20k steps on my days of work, sometimes more. My backpack usually weighs 10- 15 lbs for work. Ya know... resistance training.  Weekends ehhhh... no comment. :popcorn:

2) Does airsoft count as training? I never wore ballistic plates but its like run and gun.. theres barriers, obstacles, uneven ground, uphill, downhill (depending where i played).  People shoot at me so i keep moving. This was all precovid cause fields shutdown. I heard its back up but i work on the days my friends go play. Unfortunately, i feel like this is the best active training cause paper targets dont shoot back. I wish we had that simmunition thing florida has. That would be cool as fuck. Seen it in a video.

Im not a star athlete, just wanna be able to see my toes everday without using a mirror hahaha.
1) That's more than some here do in a year.  At one point, I was going 100 before work and 100 in the evening.  Not anymore though.  :(
2) Hell yes! 

drck1000

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #35 on: August 19, 2021, 02:03:14 PM »
For Airsoft, I talked to the Dogs of War worker at the gun show.  He stated that when some SEALS came buy, they got worked by the 14 year old kids.  Real life is diff from airsoft. 1 example he gave was when asked what to do when someone is behind a wall.  The SEALS response was that they would shoot thru the wall.  Where as an airsofter cannot and a hit won't count if it hits the wall.

50 pushup and situps a day is very good. Many don't do any.
I get slaughered by my buddies' kids.  One is a 16 yo and his airsoft rifle doesn't even have a rear sight.  He can nail a can at over 25 yards probably faster than if I had a red dot. . . damn fast keedz. 

omnigun

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #36 on: August 19, 2021, 02:09:14 PM »
please show me where i said i was talking about you...

we already had to change our handgun safety class script in 2 or 3 places because of said hobbyist...

There is only one person who is being discussed as a "Hobbyist" in this thread.   Try and be clear of your statements to ensure there are no misunderstandings. 

QUIETShooter

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #37 on: August 19, 2021, 02:11:49 PM »
That's what people forget for defensive training is being some what in shape.

Yeah, I had a very physical job when I was still working.  Still not the same as actual exercising but now that I'm retired, I am very concerned about my physical fitness.

I'm an old fut but I want to be as fit as possible.  My wife and I will soon be empty nesters and it will only be us too, just like how we met 43 years ago...... :love:

Anyway, I do some free weight lifting and I do an hour on the elliptical machine everyday.  I try to stretch my limbs daily and do pushups and sit ups.  I f*ckn hate sit ups......

Running is hard for me.  My knees are really fucked up.  Last time they were giving me a hard time I went to the Dr. and she said there hardly is any bone or cartilage where there should be, lol!

Funny though, the last time I saw a cane spider I ran just fine. :D

Anyway, just my paranoia but it seems when my wife and I are out and about we do look like the perfect couple a  f*ckn lowlife would want to mess with.  So I figure at least be fit enough to have a chance for my wife to call 911 and run to safety while I try to act like Bruce Lee.

And some firearms training would come in handy for HD and the very very slim chance in the future we would be able to CCW.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #38 on: August 19, 2021, 02:14:41 PM »
There is only one person who is being discussed as a "Hobbyist" in this thread.   Try and be clear of your statements to ensure there are no misunderstandings.

Only you misunderstood.  So shall we cater the entire forum so you can understand things?  I mean other members pretty much explain things that only you need explanation of.  So why not.

A hobbyist can be anyone.  I consider myself a hobbyist since I only go to the range about once a month, but I didn't take it as Mac was talking about me.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Firearms Training
« Reply #39 on: August 19, 2021, 02:17:25 PM »
There is only one person who is being discussed as a "Hobbyist" in this thread.   Try and be clear of your statements to ensure there are no misunderstandings.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw