.22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations (Read 139825 times)

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #500 on: February 02, 2022, 08:09:22 AM »
I jokenly told a friend something like that foe his AK. He spent 50rds and still wasnt zerod. Wasnt even on paper. So thats $25 in ammo he wasted. I had to do it for him and took 10rds. First 4 were finding where the rds was hitting.

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Dat foe?  Or dis foe? 

50 rounds for AK is quite a lot.  I've seen some pretty canted front sights on AKs.  My 22 rifle was pretty easy to sight in.  With B/A, easy to pull the bolt and boresight and get pretty close.

changemyoil66

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #501 on: February 02, 2022, 09:16:32 AM »
Dat foe?  Or dis foe? 

50 rounds for AK is quite a lot.  I've seen some pretty canted front sights on AKs.  My 22 rifle was pretty easy to sight in.  With B/A, easy to pull the bolt and boresight and get pretty close.

He is a noob and didn't know about bore sighting either.  And neither did I when I first began. Flip uncle at the range showed me what's up.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #502 on: February 02, 2022, 09:56:14 AM »
He is a noob and didn't know about bore sighting either.  And neither did I when I first began. Flip uncle at the range showed me what's up.
Slick?  Short, kinda stocky? 

changemyoil66

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #503 on: February 02, 2022, 11:29:57 AM »
Slick?  Short, kinda stocky?

Yup, and due to his thick accent, can't understand him half the time.  The missing finger guy helped me too early on.

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #504 on: February 02, 2022, 02:01:11 PM »
Yup, and due to his thick accent, can't understand him half the time.  The missing finger guy helped me too early on.

Slick and Leonard are straight-up guys and are helpful if you need assistance.
Both are great !   :thumbsup:

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #505 on: February 03, 2022, 02:04:40 PM »
Costs of new barrel:

Benchmark 30" (28" finished), 0.900" diameter, SS, 22LR  $345 plus $25 shipping

Gunsmith machining chamber and crown  $250 plus $50 shipping back to Hawaii

JGS Precision 22 Nevius chamber reamer $195 plus $10 shipping.

USPS shipping to gunsmith in Ohio  $40.00 with insurance

Total with reamer:  $915

Total without reamer: $710


Next barrel ordered will not need reamer.
I ordered my own reamer because if I am going through all this trouble and expense, I might as well get my own reamer...............

Plan to order a Muller 22LR barrel.  About 6-8 months waiting time.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #506 on: February 04, 2022, 01:51:02 PM »
Costs of new barrel:

SNIP
Was that meant to inspire or scare?  :o

Nah.  Had similar conversation on another forum of starting with factory gun and upgrade and overall costs vs going with a custom gun.  It ain't cheap. . .

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #507 on: February 04, 2022, 06:03:11 PM »
Was that meant to inspire or scare?  :o

Nah.  Had similar conversation on another forum of starting with factory gun and upgrade and overall costs vs going with a custom gun.  It ain't cheap. . .


Nah, too.  Just cost of upgrading a part on a rifle.  I think the basic rifle is worth upgrading, rather than going to a new custom BR rifle costing 5x or 10x more.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #508 on: February 04, 2022, 06:20:52 PM »

Nah, too.  Just cost of upgrading a part on a rifle.  I think the basic rifle is worth upgrading, rather than going to a new custom BR rifle costing 5x or 10x more.

I've found it's an advantage if you're just learning to buy a factory sample first -- an "on sale" basic model is fine if it's cheaper.  As you decide on your wants and needs, upgrade as you go.  Once you start wanting to replace more critical parts like the barrel and receiver, it's time to buy the parts independently so you can get what you want.  You can even scavenger some of the upgraded parts for the new build and replace the original parts on the sample.

Keep the first rifle as a baseline. If you experience problems or get stuck figuring out how to put something together on the new build, the factory rifle may show you how something is installed, seated, oriented or functions.

My first AR15 was a Colt 6940.  Once I became comfortable upgrading furniture and triggers, I bought all the lower parts to assemble and a complete upper for my second AR.  The third one I built both the upper and lower from individual parts.  Having those samples to follow and gain experience modding made the full build a piece of cake.

I also accumulated the proper tools to work on my ARs, which I think makes the whole process easier.  Whether you are upgrading from factory or building from the ground up, this cost is going to make both upgrades and builds more expensive than the factory price tag normally.  I've always believed in picking the right tool for the job.  It saves time and money in the long run, and usually avoids problems caused going the "Bubba" route.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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Akubone1

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #509 on: February 04, 2022, 08:01:49 PM »
Did you clean the barrel between
 ammo tests?
Shot some Center X and Eley match today.  Set the headspace at .43.  The center X was ok but I wasn’t too impressed.  Eley grouped better but actually shot better at .42 headspace.  I’ll try with .41 headspace next.  I did push 3 patches between ammo brands.  At .43 headspace I had two failures to eject with the Eley.

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #510 on: February 04, 2022, 08:33:35 PM »
Shot some Center X and Eley match today.  Set the headspace at .43.  The center X was ok but I wasn’t too impressed.  Eley grouped better but actually shot better at .42 headspace.  I’ll try with .41 headspace next.  I did push 3 patches between ammo brands.  At .43 headspace I had two failures to eject with the Eley.

Hi Akubone,

.43 is the standard.

Why don't you try .44 for a lighter strike?  .41 might be too hard..........

Akubone1

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #511 on: February 04, 2022, 08:42:58 PM »
Hi Akubone,

.43 is the standard.

Why don't you try .44 for a lighter strike?  .41 might be too hard..........
Esk808 ….I’ll go with your suggestion and try that.  I just figured that at .42 I didn’t have the failure to eject.  I’ll try and research the other forums on failure to eject casings with the Lilja barrel.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #512 on: February 05, 2022, 10:18:41 AM »

Nah, too.  Just cost of upgrading a part on a rifle.  I think the basic rifle is worth upgrading, rather than going to a new custom BR rifle costing 5x or 10x more.
I hear ya.  I've done the upgrading of various rifles.  ARs and centerfire bolt action.  Very different animals, at least in my experience.  Or at least very different purposes for me.  For ARs, upgrade away, but I generally don't tinker with AR barrels at all.  Just shoot and move on.  I've updgraded a Rem 700 factory action, including truing and all that.  I think it can offer a middle ground progression in terms of cost, but also a middle ground solution, which can be fine depending how far one wanted to go.  Looking back, I ended up wasting $$$ on upgrading my factory Rem 700, but part of the experience and learning process.  That and I wasn't sure how far I wanted to go with centerfire B/A, but progressed to where I wanted to upgrade the action and not have the doubt if the factory action was limiting things. 

I'm not looking for BR or F-Class level, at least not for centerfire.  Will I end up going toward there with 22?  I don't think so, but who knows.  I am certainly open to upgrading the barrel on my CZ 457, but want to shoot the factory barrel for a good long while.  Maybe that will end up with going with a full custom 22 rifle.   ;D

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #513 on: February 05, 2022, 10:21:10 AM »
Shot some Center X and Eley match today.  Set the headspace at .43.  The center X was ok but I wasn’t too impressed.  Eley grouped better but actually shot better at .42 headspace.  I’ll try with .41 headspace next.  I did push 3 patches between ammo brands.  At .43 headspace I had two failures to eject with the Eley.
What other match ammo have you got lined up?

I currently have Eley Match and Lapua Midas +.  More Eley Match on the way, along with Eley Target (wanted to try some "cheaper" Eley) and RWS Rifle Match.  Let me know if you'd like to sample any of that. 

Akubone1

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #514 on: February 05, 2022, 05:56:40 PM »
What other match ammo have you got lined up?

I currently have Eley Match and Lapua Midas +.  More Eley Match on the way, along with Eley Target (wanted to try some "cheaper" Eley) and RWS Rifle Match.  Let me know if you'd like to sample any of that.

Thanks drck1000...I might take you up on that offer.  Maybe swap a couple of boxes of Eley Match if you have a different lot than me.  I'll be testing more Lapua Center X, RWS Rifle Match, SK Rifle Match, and another lot of Eley Match.  I remeasured my headspace with two different gauges and got .234 & .235.  The first time I used the shims I based everything on .234...I'll try basing it on .235.  Start with .043 and go to .042.  I had my action screws at 35 lbs but I'll try and go to 30 lbs and see if there's a difference. I think I'll go early tomorrow morning and test some ammo at 50yd & 100yds

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #515 on: February 05, 2022, 09:53:44 PM »
Thanks drck1000...I might take you up on that offer.  Maybe swap a couple of boxes of Eley Match if you have a different lot than me.  I'll be testing more Lapua Center X, RWS Rifle Match, SK Rifle Match, and another lot of Eley Match.  I remeasured my headspace with two different gauges and got .234 & .235.  The first time I used the shims I based everything on .234...I'll try basing it on .235.  Start with .043 and go to .042.  I had my action screws at 35 lbs but I'll try and go to 30 lbs and see if there's a difference. I think I'll go early tomorrow morning and test some ammo at 50yd & 100yds
Yeah, sounds good. The next shipment of Eley Match is due in the next 2-3 weeks. I’ll have three different lots.

changemyoil66

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #516 on: February 08, 2022, 12:40:57 PM »
Picking up Mrs. CMO's rifle this Saturday. Was supposed to be last sat, but something came up.

DocMercy

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #517 on: February 09, 2022, 11:52:21 AM »
Yeah, sounds good. The next shipment of Eley Match is due in the next 2-3 weeks. I’ll have three different lots.

I have asked two dealers (SEC/HighRollerGuns and Firearms International) in Oahu about bringing in some bricks of Eley .22LR Match ammo, and they haven't responded. At a CMP match, one of the guys in the audience told me that a mainland supplier ships the boxes here, once or twice a year. Which FFL is receiving it?

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #518 on: February 09, 2022, 01:14:41 PM »
I have asked two dealers (SEC/HighRollerGuns and Firearms International) in Oahu about bringing in some bricks of Eley .22LR Match ammo, and they haven't responded. At a CMP match, one of the guys in the audience told me that a mainland supplier ships the boxes here, once or twice a year. Which FFL is receiving it?

Don't know who is bringing in Eley via their FFL........

I am curious to see what response you get from SEC and Firearms International.  I suspect that they will only bring in what you want if it is prepaid.
High-priced 22LR ammo is really hard to sell in Honolulu with a small market of buyers.

PreCOVID, Young Guns were selling Eley Edge for $18 a box of 50.  (Online prices were $11 a box).  When I asked about any future shipments, they
said it was a slow mover, so probably no high-end 22LR ammo on order.....................    This was before I met up with Kaleoarms.