.22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations (Read 139711 times)

Akubone1

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #520 on: February 18, 2022, 05:18:23 PM »
Noticed that BnR tactical has the new CZ 457 carbon fiber rifle in stock.  Looks like the manners stock with the adjustable cheek riser.  Not sure on the price though.😊

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #521 on: February 22, 2022, 08:40:09 AM »
Scheduled to be off this Friday, so will try to head to the range to shoot some .22.  Have Lapua Midas +, Eley Match, and some RWS Rifle Match to test.  Next wave of .22 lr hopefully in a boat to Hawaii now. 

Akubone1

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #522 on: February 22, 2022, 11:04:02 AM »
Scheduled to be off this Friday, so will try to head to the range to shoot some .22.  Have Lapua Midas +, Eley Match, and some RWS Rifle Match to test.  Next wave of .22 lr hopefully in a boat to Hawaii now.

Let us know how the testing goes.  You got some good ammo to test.  I think I’ll go again on Sunday.  Wind looks a lot better for shooting.  Must have been blowing solid 15-20 last week.  Tried to shoot out to 100yds.  The best group was 2” but the spread could be 4-5” depending on the wind strength & direction.  Ended up shooting KYL target with CCI SV @ 50.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #523 on: February 22, 2022, 12:37:19 PM »
Let us know how the testing goes.  You got some good ammo to test.  I think I’ll go again on Sunday.  Wind looks a lot better for shooting.  Must have been blowing solid 15-20 last week.  Tried to shoot out to 100yds.  The best group was 2” but the spread could be 4-5” depending on the wind strength & direction.  Ended up shooting KYL target with CCI SV @ 50.
Will do.  Been looking forward to shooting this match/better ammo for a while.  I also switched to a Timney trigger.  I shot the stock one ok.  This Timney seems pretty solid though. 

Shooting with wind is part of why I want to shoot .22 lr more.  That said, probably not the best for testing ammo, or my confidence.  ;D

powder monkey

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #524 on: February 22, 2022, 12:44:25 PM »
Only way is to shoot under the prevailing conditions of the day. Trigger time is the best teacher.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #525 on: February 22, 2022, 12:49:17 PM »
Only way is to shoot under the prevailing conditions of the day. Trigger time is the best teacher.
Yeah.  When I head to the range, I'll shoot whatever gun and whatever conditions (as long as not hurricane  8) ). 

That said, with ammo lot testing for the .22lr, I would prefer less variables.  Not that the human variable isn't the biggest difference in group sizes. 

tommynauw

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #526 on: February 22, 2022, 12:59:41 PM »
That said, with ammo lot testing for the .22lr, I would prefer less variables.  Not that the human variable isn't the biggest difference in group sizes.

For group testing I wouldn't trust the results on a windy day. Hard to come by real stillness though.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #527 on: February 22, 2022, 01:11:06 PM »
For group testing I wouldn't trust the results on a windy day. Hard to come by real stillness though.
Yeah.  Not real stillness, but not 15-20+ mphs.  I would still shoot, just would likely shoot again with less wind(ier) conditions. 

I agree that trigger time tells a lot, especially with learning to shoot with the wind. 

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #528 on: February 25, 2022, 03:00:56 PM »
Had the afternoon off, so decided to hit the range and shoot some .22 lr rifle. Was pleasantly surprised to run into a few friends that I haven’t seen in many months.  One was teaching a new shooter who recently bought his first AR (always good to see), and another helping a friend get ready for an upcoming hunt.

The weather was nice and cool, but also quite windy at times. The wind was enough that it occasionally would move my stand after the wedged worked free.

Shot groups with Eley Match, RWS Rifle Match, Eley Tenex, and Lapua Midas+. Winds were gusting at times, so tried to pause a little for somewhat constant wind conditions. Will shoot these same text boxes another day, but it was just good to get out and enjoy a day off shooting.

Shot (3) groups of 5 for each, with 10 foulers before starting the groups. I had removed the action and scope to change the trigger, but POI shift wasn’t much. Noticed that the RWS and Lapua had a lot of lube. Have to take a rag next range day.

Top to bot:
Eley Match
RWS Rifle Match
Eley Tenex
Lapua Midas+

Akubone1

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #529 on: February 25, 2022, 05:15:05 PM »
drck1000…have you tried any of the cheaper ammo through your rifle?  Just wondering how the good stuff compares.  My CZ 457 mtr barrel shot CCI SV pretty well at 50yds but noticed a difference in the groups vs Eley Match at 100yds

Just curious…what CZ did you get?  At one?

Ocean19

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #530 on: February 25, 2022, 05:25:24 PM »
Had the afternoon off, so decided to hit the range and shoot some .22 lr rifle. Was pleasantly surprised to run into a few friends that I haven’t seen in many months.  One was teaching a new shooter who recently bought his first AR (always good to see), and another helping a friend get ready for an upcoming hunt.

The weather was nice and cool, but also quite windy at times. The wind was enough that it occasionally would move my stand after the wedged worked free.

Shot groups with Eley Match, RWS Rifle Match, Eley Tenex, and Lapua Midas+. Winds were gusting at times, so tried to pause a little for somewhat constant wind conditions. Will shoot these same text boxes another day, but it was just good to get out and enjoy a day off shooting.

Shot (3) groups of 5 for each, with 10 foulers before starting the groups. I had removed the action and scope to change the trigger, but POI shift wasn’t much. Noticed that the RWS and Lapua had a lot of lube. Have to take a rag next range day.

Top to bot:
Eley Match
RWS Rifle Match
Eley Tenex
Lapua Midas+


Did you clean the barrel good between ammo changes especially the chamber area?

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #531 on: February 25, 2022, 05:50:25 PM »
drck1000…have you tried any of the cheaper ammo through your rifle?  Just wondering how the good stuff compares.  My CZ 457 mtr barrel shot CCI SV pretty well at 50yds but noticed a difference in the groups vs Eley Match at 100yds

Just curious…what CZ did you get?  At one?
Yup. I shot a box of CCi Velocitor. I posted the targets somewhere (not sure which thread). It shot pretty darn well. I bought that ammo recently, so paid about what I ended up getting Eley Target for. Probably also around price of SK Rifle Match.

I have CZ 457 AT-One. Plan is to shoot it a lot, but am tempted to try a Lilja barrel or other quality barrel.

I’ve heard good things about the MTR barrels as well. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t tempted to try one. Haha

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #532 on: February 25, 2022, 05:51:11 PM »
Did you clean the barrel good between ammo changes especially the chamber area?
No. Just shot the foulers in between groups.

Ocean19

.22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #533 on: February 25, 2022, 05:55:20 PM »
No. Just shot the foulers in between groups.
Try to clean the barrel good especially the chamber area and shoot one type of ammo each range session if you have time. Shoot about 100 rounds during that session.

Your results maybe a lot different.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #534 on: February 25, 2022, 06:08:23 PM »
Try to clean the barrel good especially the chamber area and shoot one type of ammo each range session if you have time. Shoot about 100 rounds during that session.

Your results maybe a lot different.
Yeah. I saw how the groups tightened up after shooting the ones with lube on them. I had read a little about it, but didn’t think it was going to be like that. Moving forward, I’ll probably shoot one ammo type on a given range day. Just wanted to shoot the 22 today. I was going to shoot an AR as well, but got lazy.

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #535 on: February 25, 2022, 06:13:00 PM »
drck,

Looks like Eley Match and Lapua Midas+ shoots well in your rifle, given the windy conditions.

As others have said, you need to clean the fouling out of the barrel from one brand of ammo before you shoot another brand.
Then at least you get unadulterated results with that specific ammo.

To get into the rabbit hole deeper, a tuner would  tighten groups and lessen vertical stringing of groups.

What is the diameter of your barrel at the muzzle AND 1.5" back of the muzzle?
If it's close to 0.905" or so, maybe it will fit my Harrell.


tommynauw

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #536 on: February 26, 2022, 07:36:46 AM »
To get into the rabbit hole deeper, a tuner would  tighten groups and lessen vertical stringing of groups.

If you'll allow a voice to counter going deeper... Odds are good that you'll find a few things your CZ shoots great (MOA or slightly better). That's good enough to reliably knock bolts off a rail at 100 meters. Good enough to hit steel at 200 meters. With some luck your CZ will shoot that well with the "cheap" stuff like CCI SV. It might even shoot that well with MiniMags or Aguila SV. Spend your money on ammo volume. You'll shoot a lot more at 10-15 cpr than you will at 30+.

Go towards the light!

All due respect to esk808. A 22 rifle that puts up 0.2" - 0.3" groups is a true wonder and a worthy pursuit.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #537 on: February 26, 2022, 08:23:51 AM »
drck,

Looks like Eley Match and Lapua Midas+ shoots well in your rifle, given the windy conditions.

As others have said, you need to clean the fouling out of the barrel from one brand of ammo before you shoot another brand.
Then at least you get unadulterated results with that specific ammo.

To get into the rabbit hole deeper, a tuner would  tighten groups and lessen vertical stringing of groups.

What is the diameter of your barrel at the muzzle AND 1.5" back of the muzzle?
If it's close to 0.905" or so, maybe it will fit my Harrell.
Yeah, knowing what I know now, I would approach testing of better ammo differently.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #538 on: February 26, 2022, 08:30:47 AM »
If you'll allow a voice to counter going deeper... Odds are good that you'll find a few things your CZ shoots great (MOA or slightly better). That's good enough to reliably knock bolts off a rail at 100 meters. Good enough to hit steel at 200 meters. With some luck your CZ will shoot that well with the "cheap" stuff like CCI SV. It might even shoot that well with MiniMags or Aguila SV. Spend your money on ammo volume. You'll shoot a lot more at 10-15 cpr than you will at 30+.

Go towards the light!

All due respect to esk808. A 22 rifle that puts up 0.2" - 0.3" groups is a true wonder and a worthy pursuit.
Yeah. Interests and level of pursuit of accuracy varies. For .22 lr, not looking for benchrest accuracy. At least not yet.

The silhouette range is actually what I had in mind when first looking at .22 rifles a long time ago. I am still interested in testing what my rifle is capable of on paper and learning/improvement that shooting paper teaches. That said, from my adventures with centerfire, I appreciate the levels of precision. Especially going from say 1.0 MOA to 0.5 MOA m, and then 0.5 MOA to 0.25 MOA. It’s not linear.

changemyoil66

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #539 on: February 26, 2022, 05:50:35 PM »
Shes finally done. Now to zero. Gonna use cci-sv as a baseline.

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