.22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations (Read 139703 times)

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #540 on: February 26, 2022, 06:34:30 PM »
Shes finally done. Now to zero. Gonna use cci-sv as a baseline.

SNIP
Nice. Post some targets with that rifle and your RPR.

Ocean19

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #541 on: February 26, 2022, 07:04:41 PM »
Shes finally done. Now to zero. Gonna use cci-sv as a baseline.

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the rings look too high for a cheek weld…..

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #542 on: February 26, 2022, 07:10:47 PM »
the rings look too high for a cheek weld…..
Chin weld

dogman

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #544 on: March 01, 2022, 10:11:20 AM »
Quote from: Akubone1 on February 04, 2022, 08:01:49 PM
Shot some Center X and Eley match today.  Set the headspace at .43.  The center X was ok but I wasn’t too impressed.  Eley grouped better but actually shot better at .42 headspace.  I’ll try with .41 headspace next.  I did push 3 patches between ammo brands.  At .43 headspace I had two failures to eject with the Eley.

Hi Akubone,

.43 is the standard.

Why don't you try .44 for a lighter strike?  .41 might be too hard..........


Akubone,

Nice seeing you at Kokohead on Sunday.

My bad............ :'(

You were on the right track........... headspacing for bolt-action rifles can be 0.041" .........................

I was reading a book on rimfire ammo by Steve Boelter, and he recommends 0.041"

My new barrel is done and sent to me from Ohio, and I'll be setting this barrel headspace to 0.042" instead of the standard 0.043".

« Last Edit: March 01, 2022, 10:44:27 AM by esk808 »

Akubone1

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #545 on: March 01, 2022, 07:31:46 PM »
Esk808…I tried .042 &..044…..042 was a little better.  I’ll try .041 on Sunday.  So interesting to test headspace as well as action screw torque.  Little changes really affect grouping.  .22 is addicting.

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #546 on: March 01, 2022, 08:01:54 PM »
Esk808…I tried .042 &..044…..042 was a little better.  I’ll try .041 on Sunday.  So interesting to test headspace as well as action screw torque.  Little changes really affect grouping.  .22 is addicting.

My Anschutz 2013 with Lilja barrel is headspaced at .043, and I'll headspace my new Benchmark barrel at .042.  (I only got gauges for .044, .043, and .042)


Just got a new scope from Eurooptics.com which was on sale.  March 10-60x 56mm High Master, buyonce/cryonce kind of scope. Got to get some 34mm scope rings now.......

Akubone1

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #547 on: March 01, 2022, 08:41:50 PM »
My Anschutz 2013 with Lilja barrel is headspaced at .043, and I'll headspace my new Benchmark barrel at .042.  (I only got gauges for .044, .043, and .042)


Just got a new scope from Eurooptics.com which was on sale.  March 10-60x 56mm High Master, buyonce/cryonce kind of scope. Got to get some 34mm scope rings now.......

Wow…what an awesome set up.  Hope I see you on Sunday.  Would be good to get all the rimfire guys out together one day.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #548 on: March 04, 2022, 10:17:01 AM »
As I shoot my .22 rifle more, I'm seeing more of the nuances of "more precision" shooting.  I had previously shot a lot of rounds out of Savage and other bolt actions with typically 3-9 power scopes, but that was mostly in the action bays and silhouette range.  Never really for precision/grouping. 

I took my 4-16 Vortex that was formerly on my Rem 700 .308 and put it on my CZ.  While it's great, I did notice that with .22, I could use a bit more power, or maybe better clarity.  That could also be due to being somewhat based on comparing the clarity of the nicer optics on my newer centerfire rifles.  I'll probably stick with the current scope, but there are times when I'm shooting my CZ and thinking "damn, it would be nice to have the 5-27 or 7-35 that are on my other rifles". 

I don't have plans to shoot NRL or other types of matches, but I can now see why some of those .22 lr rifle shooters on YT have some pretty darn nice glass on their competition rigs. 

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #549 on: March 04, 2022, 10:58:43 AM »
drck,

Take a look at Facebook BR50 benches.  https://www.facebook.com/AmericanRimfire/photos/pcb.5198451770181365/5198420836851125/

I started with the NF12-42x 56mm Benchrest scope, which is the best value in the NF line.  You can use this scope for all BR rimfire and centerfire.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #550 on: March 04, 2022, 01:00:40 PM »
drck,

Take a look at Facebook BR50 benches.  https://www.facebook.com/AmericanRimfire/photos/pcb.5198451770181365/5198420836851125/

I started with the NF12-42x 56mm Benchrest scope, which is the best value in the NF line.  You can use this scope for all BR rimfire and centerfire.
Hmm, interesting.  My preference is for any scope of that quality and price range would be multi-use/purpose, with potential (at least ideally) to use both for .22 rifle and my centerfire.  That scope seems great for high magnification, but reticle choices aren't my preference, at least current preference(s). 

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #551 on: March 06, 2022, 08:53:04 PM »
Shot all Eley Match today, but two different lots. Cleaned the barrel decently well after the last range day.

Shot 10 foulers before shooting groups to start (clean barrel) and between lots.



Lot #1 (first batch/shipment of Eley Match) plus left over from a previous range day.



Lot #2 (second batch of Eley Match)

Have another lot/batch to try. I was thinking about shooting some Eley Target, but decided to pass.

It was breezy at times and switching directions, but not bad.

Lot #1 had better groups. But also a few malfunctions or misfires. I think 3-4 in one box. Round would chamber, click. Bolt wouldn’t get bite on the case rim. Once I got the round out, had good strike on the case rim. I am guessing either dirty bolt/extractor or something else with the bolt. Second box of Eley and being more mindful of how I closed the bolt with more forward pressure and that stopped. I read that even the standard CZ chamber is tight and may need some time to wear in. But didn’t notice anything on the first 200 rounds, which included Eley Match.

Notes:
- Will have to try taller rings, which will allow me to move the scope slightly more forward. I’m using the rings for this scope from when I had it on a Rem 700. It work “ok”, but the mag dial clearance is super close if I mounted the scope more forward. The LOP adjustment on the stock is all the way out. I thought it worked ok when I set the scope at home and first couple range sessions, but noticed it wasn’t “natural” when shooting more groups.

- Need to add anti-cant/bubble level. The scope base has a bubble level, but I can’t really see it while my face is on the gun. I was lining up the reticle with the lines on the pasters. Want to ensure consistency.

- I shot a bunch of groups between breaks. More than before, especially when compared to shooting centerfire. In the later groups, I noticed some vertical stringing. I took more time to be consistent before breaking shots, including cheek weld.

Overall enjoying the .22 lr rifle. Will likely order a Lilja barrel with threaded muzzle for a tuner. But will see.

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #552 on: March 06, 2022, 10:05:39 PM »

- Need to add anti-cant/bubble level. The scope base has a bubble level, but I can’t really see it while my face is on the gun. I was lining up the reticle with the lines on the pasters. Want to ensure consistency.

- I shot a bunch of groups between breaks. More than before, especially when compared to shooting centerfire. In the later groups, I noticed some vertical stringing. I took more time to be consistent before breaking shots, including cheek weld.

Overall enjoying the .22 lr rifle. Will likely order a Lilja barrel with threaded muzzle for a tuner. But will see.

Hi drck1000,

I have this scope level on all my 22LR BR rifles.    https://www.accuracy1st.com/collections/6/Scope-Levels/
Harrell's scope level is good too.    https://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/scope-levels


Akubone has an after-market Lilja barrel on his CZ and he says it shoots better than the original barrel.....


A rimfire tuner does not need a threaded muzzle, as it just slips over the unthreaded muzzle.  The tuner itself is
bored according to the precise measurements  (diameter) at the muzzle (e.g. 0.905" is the diameter of a Shilen barrel)  and also 1" back of the muzzle.

              A rimfire standard is the Harrell tuner.          http://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/harrell-rimfire-tuners-403

I have 3 of these Harrell tuners in black and silver for my Shilen & Lilja barrels on my 22s.  The black tuner has white numbers and easier to read, while silver is harder to read.
I also have a carbon fiber extension tube that fits on the Harrell tuner.  Also good to have are extra screw-on weights to the front of the tuner.

There are several 22LR tuners like BeeSting, Starik, JNL PRX III Tuner, etc. etc.

I got the BeeSting tuner for both Shlen and Lilja barrels at 0.905" and 0.955" barrels.  http://www.beesafeusa.com/beesting-tuner-bloop-tube.html



« Last Edit: March 06, 2022, 10:17:41 PM by esk808 »

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #553 on: March 06, 2022, 10:46:26 PM »
Hi drck1000,

I have this scope level on all my 22LR BR rifles.    https://www.accuracy1st.com/collections/6/Scope-Levels/
Harrell's scope level is good too.    https://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/scope-levels


Akubone has an after-market Lilja barrel on his CZ and he says it shoots better than the original barrel.....


A rimfire tuner does not need a threaded muzzle, as it just slips over the unthreaded muzzle.  The tuner itself is
bored according to the precise measurements  (diameter) at the muzzle (e.g. 0.905" is the diameter of a Shilen barrel)  and also 1" back of the muzzle.

              A rimfire standard is the Harrell tuner.          http://harrellsprec.com/index.php/products/harrell-rimfire-tuners-403

I have 3 of these Harrell tuners in black and silver for my Shilen & Lilja barrels on my 22s.  The black tuner has white numbers and easier to read, while silver is harder to read.
I also have a carbon fiber extension tube that fits on the Harrell tuner.  Also good to have are extra screw-on weights to the front of the tuner.

There are several 22LR tuners like BeeSting, Starik, JNL PRX III Tuner, etc. etc.

I got the BeeSting tuner for both Shlen and Lilja barrels at 0.905" and 0.955" barrels.  http://www.beesafeusa.com/beesting-tuner-bloop-tube.html
Thanks. I have that level. I had it on a previous .308. I’ve since gone to either Flatline Ops Halo-X or Spuhr bubble level that attaches to the Spuhr scope mount. I like the sensitivity of those bubble level models.

The tuner I am (most likely) going to get is a thread on. It attaches via a 1/2-28 adapter. The CZ barrel is threaded, so I can use it with that. The adapter isn’t in stock right now, otherwise I would already have ordered. I’ve found the Lilja threaded barrel in stock. Waiting on a reply from the vendor on a couple of things.

esk808

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #554 on: March 06, 2022, 11:05:25 PM »
That Flatline Ops Halo-X scope level looks real good.
I'll read about it and maybe get it for my 34mm March scope backordered.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #555 on: March 07, 2022, 07:16:17 AM »
Threaded adapter for tuner came back in stock this morning, so put in the order for the adapter and tuner.  Will try it on the stock CZ barrel as I wait to iron out some things before ordering the Lilja barrel. 

Going to need to order some more ..22 lr ammo. . .  ;D

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #556 on: March 07, 2022, 08:29:30 AM »
That Flatline Ops Halo-X scope level looks real good.
I'll read about it and maybe get it for my 34mm March scope backordered.
I've been using it on a previous .308 and I really like it.  Super easy to see, easy to mount w/o taking scope out of mount (or rings), and doesn't take up much space. 

The Accuracy First level was good, but I like the Flatline Ops a lot more now after having some time with it.  Super easy to see and bubble size is responsive, but easy to get level (not bouncing around like some levels with smaller bubbles). 

I have a Spuhr mount bubble level on another gun because I wanted the level further forward.  Due to eye relief, the Flatline Ops needed to go in front of the near mount ring, which put the bubble really close to my eye.  It was "ok", but having it more forward really helps with my vision. 

Sucks that I now have scope in the 30 mm, 34 mm, and 36 mm tube diameters, so can't rally swap between the scope that easily for the tube mounted levels. 

changemyoil66

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #557 on: March 07, 2022, 11:13:52 AM »
Shot all Eley Match today, but two different lots. Cleaned the barrel decently well after the last range day.

Shot 10 foulers before shooting groups to start (clean barrel) and between lots.



Lot #1 (first batch/shipment of Eley Match) plus left over from a previous range day.



Lot #2 (second batch of Eley Match)

Have another lot/batch to try. I was thinking about shooting some Eley Target, but decided to pass.

It was breezy at times and switching directions, but not bad.

Lot #1 had better groups. But also a few malfunctions or misfires. I think 3-4 in one box. Round would chamber, click. Bolt wouldn’t get bite on the case rim. Once I got the round out, had good strike on the case rim. I am guessing either dirty bolt/extractor or something else with the bolt. Second box of Eley and being more mindful of how I closed the bolt with more forward pressure and that stopped. I read that even the standard CZ chamber is tight and may need some time to wear in. But didn’t notice anything on the first 200 rounds, which included Eley Match.

Notes:
- Will have to try taller rings, which will allow me to move the scope slightly more forward. I’m using the rings for this scope from when I had it on a Rem 700. It work “ok”, but the mag dial clearance is super close if I mounted the scope more forward. The LOP adjustment on the stock is all the way out. I thought it worked ok when I set the scope at home and first couple range sessions, but noticed it wasn’t “natural” when shooting more groups.

- Need to add anti-cant/bubble level. The scope base has a bubble level, but I can’t really see it while my face is on the gun. I was lining up the reticle with the lines on the pasters. Want to ensure consistency.

- I shot a bunch of groups between breaks. More than before, especially when compared to shooting centerfire. In the later groups, I noticed some vertical stringing. I took more time to be consistent before breaking shots, including cheek weld.

Overall enjoying the .22 lr rifle. Will likely order a Lilja barrel with threaded muzzle for a tuner. But will see.

What did  you use on the front of the rifle? KHSC bag of rice, bipod, etc... Also any rear bag?

I remember when doing ammo testing, Agula shot very well and had a nice sweet smell to it, but it would get stuck in my chamber.  Good thing a friend had a cleaning rod and we pounded the brass out. 2 of 10 rds the brss would not eject.

drck1000

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #558 on: March 07, 2022, 11:38:57 AM »
What did  you use on the front of the rifle? KHSC bag of rice, bipod, etc... Also any rear bag?

I remember when doing ammo testing, Agula shot very well and had a nice sweet smell to it, but it would get stuck in my chamber.  Good thing a friend had a cleaning rod and we pounded the brass out. 2 of 10 rds the brss would not eject.
Harris bipod at front of rifle.  Was using an Armageddon Gear rear bag.   

The Eley Match had a distinctive smell to it.  The first new box had a noticeable coating/wax.  Didn't notice it the first time I shot Eley Match.  Or at least it didn't slime me like the RWS Rifle Match. 

I had a cleaning rod in my bag since I was thinking about shooting a different brand ammo.  But only ended up shooting the Eley. 

changemyoil66

Re: .22 lr Bolt Action - Experiences and Recommendations
« Reply #559 on: March 07, 2022, 12:23:46 PM »
Harris bipod at front of rifle.  Was using an Armageddon Gear rear bag.   

The Eley Match had a distinctive smell to it.  The first new box had a noticeable coating/wax.  Didn't notice it the first time I shot Eley Match.  Or at least it didn't slime me like the RWS Rifle Match. 

I had a cleaning rod in my bag since I was thinking about shooting a different brand ammo.  But only ended up shooting the Eley.

Dp you plan to run the cheap ammo just for comparison?