Gun Registration @ HPD (Read 28367 times)

QUIETShooter

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #80 on: September 23, 2021, 01:53:09 PM »
There's parking in the C&C municipal lot across Alapai St.

Also want to add I didn't feed the meter until 8:30 when I parked there.  Lots of people were doing the same.  Quarter gets you 10 minutes.  3 hour max at a time.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #81 on: September 23, 2021, 02:05:02 PM »
Also want to add I didn't feed the meter until 8:30 when I parked there.  Lots of people were doing the same.  Quarter gets you 10 minutes.  3 hour max at a time.

Better than Chinatown, 5 mins per quarter

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #82 on: September 23, 2021, 02:21:06 PM »
I know you need to go early and stand in line to get a registration appointment. Where do you park?  Isn’t the parking structure closed early in the morning?

Next to the police station is underground parking.  The entrance is behind the station at the end of S. Hotel Street. 

That lot is open all the time, as it's also where employees with HPD passes park.  Metered parking for visitors is the entire row to your right as you enter the garage.  There's an elevator at the far end of that row that takes you above ground so you can walk to the police station front entrance.

https://www.honolulupd.org/policy/policy-alapai-headquarters-parking/

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

DocMercy

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #83 on: September 23, 2021, 07:25:35 PM »
The entrance is behind the station at the end of S. Hotel Street. 
That lot is open all the time, as it's also where employees with HPD passes park.  Metered parking for visitors is the entire row to your right as you enter the garage.  There's an elevator at the far end of that row that takes you above ground so you can walk to the police station front entrance.

You can put up to 2 hours of time on the meter, and parking there before 7:45 AM can theoretically get you a ticket even if the meter is blinking green. I don't know the odds of this happening, but the company/organization that maintains the lot has that power. I used a credit card over 10 days ago to pay for the meter, and I have yet to see this billed to me. It's as weird as U.S. Customs in late billing. Elevator from P (ground) to P3 (underground) was not functioning on Wednesday 9-21-21 due to a faulty button. Another annoying day in the PTA -> Registration process. If I go to a psychiatrist to complain about my aversion to visiting HPD, it will go on my medical record, and have to be disclosed on the next application. Grrrr.  :'(

Question for the more experience forum members. There seem to be two time limits for registering a weapon once you acquire it. Five days for a long gun and two days for a hand gun, not withstanding the recent relaxation of the time to register.

The HRS states:

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§134-3 (b)  Every person who acquires a firearm pursuant to section 134-2 shall register the firearm in the manner prescribed by this section within five days of acquisition.  The registration of all firearms shall be on forms prescribed by the attorney general, which shall be uniform throughout the State, and shall include the following information:  name of the manufacturer and importer; model; type of action; caliber or gauge; serial number; and source from which receipt was obtained, including the name and address of the prior registrant.

However, some sites state that the limit for pistol registration is two days, not five.

http://mccshawaii.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/FirearmsPurchaseProc.pdf
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Return back to HPD Firearms Unit no later than 2 calendar days from acquisition for registration. You will need a valid ID, permit and firearm (in a gun case and unloaded) for registration. Visit honolulu.org for all requirements for registration.
« Last Edit: September 23, 2021, 09:12:25 PM by DocMercy »

DEROS

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #84 on: September 24, 2021, 08:51:57 AM »
If you are planning on doing an in person registration, you don't need to anymore!  The law has been stricken for in person registration.  HPD will need to create a process that will allow the gun owners to register their guns without having to bring it to HPD.  Kick back at home, go to work, or do whatever you want until Honolulu provides the process.  Unless you really want to go down town to register.

changemyoil66

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #85 on: September 24, 2021, 09:12:17 AM »
If you are planning on doing an in person registration, you don't need to anymore!  The law has been stricken for in person registration.  HPD will need to create a process that will allow the gun owners to register their guns without having to bring it to HPD.  Kick back at home, go to work, or do whatever you want until Honolulu provides the process.  Unless you really want to go down town to register.

1 still has to reg, so I wouldn't say kick back at home.  But it's your choice to do so.  And Ige's proclamation doesn't waive registration anymore.  Regardless if HPD says they won't enforce. 


Since this just happened yesterday, there will be some confusion at HPD as to how to handle registration.  Which is understandable.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2021, 10:12:35 AM by changemyoil66 »

drck1000

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #86 on: September 24, 2021, 09:19:39 AM »
Last update I saw from HIFICO was "standby for more" on how HPD will proceed based on the latest updates on court issues.  That update was coming today. 

For those in the registration process now, proceed with caution. . .

macsak

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #87 on: September 24, 2021, 09:48:20 AM »
1 still has to reg, so I wouldn't say kick back at home.  But it's your choice to do so.  And Ige's proclamation doesn't waive registration anymore.  Regardless if HPD says they won't enforce. 

But in theory, 1 could go to HPD to register and not bring the gun.  Instead bring all the info like make, model, serial number, etc...



Since this just happened yesterday, there will be some confusion at HPD as to how to handle registration.  Which is understandable.

PLEASE do not do this...

DEROS

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #88 on: September 24, 2021, 10:46:55 AM »
Last update I saw from HIFICO was "standby for more" on how HPD will proceed based on the latest updates on court issues.  That update was coming today. 

For those in the registration process now, proceed with caution. . .

You are right, my mind went into overdrive in enthusiasm.  Now that I back down to earth, the police will most likely confiscate your gun for not registering, maybe even put you in jail.  You will most likely beat the charges in court and you will most likely get your firearms back but the butt pain that you will have to endure may not be worth it.  You will not be able to sue HPD because of qualified immunity because they will say it was a "Honest Mistake".

So, yea, it might be a good idea to continue to be good boys and girls by continuing to register you firearms in person within 5 days.

Mr. Hyde

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #89 on: September 26, 2021, 07:34:39 PM »
I apologize for my ignorance but I'm a little confused as far as the process to register goes. I purchased a rifle on Saturday and from what I understand the law says you have 5 days to register. I remember seeing some previous messages saying due to covid the 5 day period was waived for the time being. Is this still in effect? The person at the gun store where I purchased said "to do it as soon as possible". I'm trying to stay out of trouble and cannot find any solid information. Thank you in advance for the help.

DEROS

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #90 on: September 26, 2021, 07:43:20 PM »
I apologize for my ignorance but I'm a little confused as far as the process to register goes. I purchased a rifle on Saturday and from what I understand the law says you have 5 days to register. I remember seeing some previous messages saying due to covid the 5 day period was waived for the time being. Is this still in effect? The person at the gun store where I purchased said "to do it as soon as possible". I'm trying to stay out of trouble and cannot find any solid information. Thank you in advance for the help.
By law, it’s 5 days, including weekends and holidays.  However, HPD has been lenient because they only accept 40 people a day for registration.

Now there is a new kink in the law…

As of last week, a ruling, that was denied a stay, made in person registration unconstitutional.  This means HPD needs to come up with a process that allows someone to register any firearm without having to go to HPD.  Effective date of ruling, NOW.  However as you can see HPD doesn’t have a process yet.  You still have to register but there is technically no process to register.  So it goes back to in person if you want to follow the 5 day rule.


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #91 on: September 26, 2021, 07:56:41 PM »
The procedure is in a state of flux apparently.

Best thing to do is call HPD Firearms Section and ask.

They may be in violation of the court order if they tell you to follow the law until they figure it out, so it's good to find out from them what they are doing.

As has been discussed here, 5 days is the law, but HPD isn't going to go beating down doors or confiscating guns.  They normally call and remind you to come in to register.

If you happen to get HPD to tell you what's going on, please update this thread so others know, too.

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« Last Edit: September 26, 2021, 08:06:54 PM by Flapp_Jackson »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Mr. Hyde

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #92 on: September 26, 2021, 08:00:43 PM »
I'll reach out to HPD and let you all know what they say. Thank you so much for the clarification.

Mr. Hyde

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #93 on: September 27, 2021, 09:09:20 AM »
      So I spoke to someone at HPD Firearms Section this morning concerning registration and was told there was no appointment needed and you could go down and wait in line to register your firearms. The individual also said that I had the option to go down early and wait in line for a time slot to if I wanted a guaranteed slot for the day. Being on average you have to line up by 0630 or earlier to possibly get one of 40 slots for the day this is very problematic at best. For us regular folk who have to schedule leave from work and possibly drop kids to school in the morning then fight traffic to HPD your pretty much hosed from the start. I apologize for the vent. I mentioned this to the person and how difficult it was to meet the 5 day law coupled with the current process and Covid measures and was told the proclamation was still in effect concerning the delayed registration times due to Covid and to try and register as soon as possible. Lastly, they mentioned that the registration process was in flux due to the law suit and that they are not allowed to tell you to bring in the firearm for registration. They also said that HPD is in the process of working something out. Overall the person was helpful though seemed very rushed to get me off the line. I hope this helps. 

Akubone1

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #94 on: September 27, 2021, 10:18:18 AM »
Thank you for the update.  I have a rifle and a handgun coming in probably end of this week that I need register.  I hope i don't have to bring them in. 

DocMercy

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #95 on: September 27, 2021, 10:29:14 AM »
I was on line this morning (around 6:30 AM) with a few braddahs. It was the lightest day I have seen yet. Over four people came after 8 AM asking about the registration process. One said he left his PTA at a military base and had to go back to get it. He did not have the weapon either (probably back at the base). The HPD officer was accommodating and gave him an appointment to return at 12:30 PM. I found it refreshing that they try to help you with your problems, and believe me, they have probably heard of every hiccup in the registration process.

DEROS

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #96 on: September 27, 2021, 05:28:13 PM »
I was on line this morning (around 6:30 AM) with a few braddahs. It was the lightest day I have seen yet. Over four people came after 8 AM asking about the registration process. One said he left his PTA at a military base and had to go back to get it. He did not have the weapon either (probably back at the base). The HPD officer was accommodating and gave him an appointment to return at 12:30 PM. I found it refreshing that they try to help you with your problems, and believe me, they have probably heard of every hiccup in the registration process.
They are not trying to help.  They don’t want another lawsuit for telling someone that they can’t register if they don’t have their gun physically there.


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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #97 on: September 27, 2021, 05:40:09 PM »
They are not trying to help.  They don’t want another lawsuit for telling someone that they can’t register if they don’t have their gun physically there.

It's one thing to violate our Constitutional rights.  It's something else to have been ordered to stop and ignore the order.  People would be losing their jobs, and the STATE could be sued, from the police chief to the Governor, for violations of our Constitutional rights.

So, I think they are walking on eggshells right now, trying not to violate the court's decision.  The legislature needs to fix the law, but the Governor has the authority to decide if certain statutes or subsections won't be enforced until the legislature can amend it.

I'd be happy if HRS 134 completely disappeared tonight.  There's nothing in it that's making our lives safer.  And, yeah, I do want a suppressor!   :geekdanc:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

kptheplatypus

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #98 on: September 27, 2021, 06:02:27 PM »
It's one thing to violate our Constitutional rights.  It's something else to have been ordered to stop and ignore the order.  People would be losing their jobs, and the STATE could be sued, from the police chief to the Governor, for violations of our Constitutional rights.

So, I think they are walking on eggshells right now, trying not to violate the court's decision.  The legislature needs to fix the law, but the Governor has the authority to decide if certain statutes or subsections won't be enforced until the legislature can amend it.

I'd be happy if HRS 134 completely disappeared tonight.  There's nothing in it that's making our lives safer.  And, yeah, I do want a suppressor!   :geekdanc:

I think we all want a suppressor 😭
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DEROS

Re: Gun Registration @ HPD
« Reply #99 on: September 27, 2021, 06:12:03 PM »

So, I think they are walking on eggshells right now, trying not to violate the court's decision.

I'd be happy if HRS 134 completely disappeared tonight.  There's nothing in it that's making our lives safer.  And, yeah, I do want a suppressor!   :geekdanc:

The one thing I started doing during the long days of the lock down was to watch a lot of "auditors" in YouTube.  I never realized that the "friendly" questions that police ask "perp" was to have the "perp" confess to the crime or to get information that the police legally can't force out of the "prep".  For example "Do you know why I pulled you over?"  or "Can I see your ID?"   With that said, the Police without admitting that he is breaking the law by telling the "perp" that he needed to bring in his rifle and then get a number, the Police made it look like he was doing the "perp" a favor by giving him a afternoon time, giving time for the "prep" time to get the gun.

What would be very interesting to see is what the Police would say if a "perp" ask to register his firearms without presenting the firearm.  Perp = "I'm here to register my rifle.  I have written down the make, model, and serial number of the rifle."

I have a few suppressors in my garage.  You might have heard of the manufactures.  FRAM, STP, Mobile, eFE.   :rofl: