I stay born in hawaii.

I Googled "stay born."  Lots of references to Germany (Born), and nothing at all to do with Hawaii Pidgin.

You just make sh*t up, don't you?

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-hawaii-honolulu-3bc2216bd5b42bd745d8cd86a6b6fa2a

“Just please everybody be thoughtful about who you’re around and how quickly you can spread disease,” Green said. “I’m 50 years old and pretty strong and healthy, but it’s a worry. The mortality rate is 1%.”



Can't wear the mask properly and not abiding by the "6 foot" rule. Was his contact with this person worth the photo op?

I Googled "stay born."  Lots of references to Germany (Born), and nothing at all to do with Hawaii Pidgin.

You just make sh*t up, don't you?

You googled it ! 
Who googles pidgin’ ?
You going stay stay or you going go stay go ?

(Umni is a poser also so I’m not supporting him for the record.)

https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-hawaii-honolulu-3bc2216bd5b42bd745d8cd86a6b6fa2a

“Just please everybody be thoughtful about who you’re around and how quickly you can spread disease,” Green said. “I’m 50 years old and pretty strong and healthy, but it’s a worry. The mortality rate is 1%.”



Can't wear the mask properly and not abiding by the "6 foot" rule. Was his contact with this person worth the photo op?

^+1 exactly
A Doctor no less.

Who googles pidgin’ ?
You going stay stay or you going go stay go ?

Real Local people carry this handy reference at all times, you gotta stay on top of your game in case there is a pop quiz. I have one in the glove box of my car if I get pulled over and asked questions






 

Who TF uses "don't into",  "can't into" .... ever?  Other than you and anyone from a foreign country just learning English?

Y'all ad Ain't are Southern colloquialisms that have endured into mainstream American vocabulary. 

"Then again you don't into medical advice" is just plain gibberish.   

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The tests were conducted with pillow cases and 100% cotton T-Shirts cut and sewn into actual masks.

A bandana dangling in front of the mouth is only a mask in the context of Old Western movies when one is robbing a bank, stage coach, train, etc.

It pays to actually read about the experiments to see how the "masks" were made and worn.

Additionally, when you post your comment, yet the government's guidelines say nothing about requiring 2 layers of T-Shirt material, it's obvious the guidance is less about stopping the virus and more about making people feel safer.  Our state in particular came out and said a single bandana worn as a mask was sufficient.

So much for following the science.

The studies I am referencing were done quite a while back during the pandemic where it was more applicable since there were shortages of professionally made masks.
There were multiple studies which tested different types of fabric, not just pillow cases and cotton t-shirts. One tested about 10 different materials as I recall.

Are there problems with how the lab tests were conducted vs how people actually wear the masks? Sure, that is one likely reason why you would see differences in results but part of that is the fault of the mask wearer, not the data from the lab tests. If you don't wear a seat belt properly do you blame the seat belt or the crash test data? It is hard to blame mask wearing guidance for a failure of people to follow, thats why real world data is murky in terms of what it proves. We could have a strict mask guidance but very bad compliance and it might look like the strict guidance was associated with higher covid rates but that would be a rather questionable conclusion.

You have to keep in mind that a lot of the guidance was really a best guess based on some data and reasonable assumptions. People in charge are expected to give some guidance, I don't think it would inspire much confidence if the CDC or the state Dept of Health came out to a news conference with the message "We don't know what works, good luck". Officials also have to give guidance reasonable to what can be done, they could be instruct everyone to wear N95 masks only in the beginning because there weren't enough and then you would have people wearing nothing because they couldn't get an N95. The data shows  a cotton t-shirt was better than nothing so I think that is what they went with in terms of guidance, wear a mask, any type of mask you can because any mask is likely better than no mask. And personally even if the data on mask effectiveness was inconclusive it really is a manini thing to do so on the chance it could work alone I think it is reasonable. Certainly I would rather have the inconvenience of a mask than lock downs, quarantines, mandatory vaccinations, etc.

Edit: I think one more thing to consider is that there is a balance of how much instructions to give. If they came out with a 28 page guidance letter most people wouldn't read it or understand it. They have to give direction that is short enough and simple enough that people will understand it but also complicated enough to where the advice could still be effective. They also have to consider whether to update their guidance every time new data comes out which can cause people to doubt or update their advice slowly but which can also cause people to doubt. Government isn't great on turning on a dime of course.

If you disagree with all that then what guidance do you think the CDC or Dept of Health should have given?

If anykind of cloth mask worked (10 ply), why doesn't workers who work in a virus lab use them?  If you trust what the government is saying, then go for it. But I question it because of that reason.

Do you think masks are an all or nothing type thing? If you were going to go into an environment with asbestos but could only get a mask that filtered 50% of the asbestos would you wear no masks at all? Of course not, you would wear anything you could even if the filtration wasn't 100% because the less you are exposed to the better even if some gets through

OSHA requires that workers be fitness tested to wear respiratory PPE so they arent detrimentally effected when using it. Notice how no one cares masks might be harming peoples health now.

How would masks be harming people's health right now? Are we talking about people who wear the same moist mask for days on end without washing? Mold or mildew growing, etc. To me that sounds like the person's fault, not the masks fault.

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If you disagree with all that then what guidance do you think the CDC or Dept of Health should have given?

I think the TRUTH would have been a good place to start.

How about,
"This is a potentially deadly form of the COVID/SARS virus. 
Use whatever commercially produced or DIY masks you can find or make.  Guidelines on making masks will be on the CDC website.
Don't hoard, and don't try to scalp N95 masks.  The federal government will be prosecuting scalpers to the full extent of the law in this emergency. 
We've issued orders to all big box chains to place limits on the number of masks any one person can purchase in a 5 day period. 
State governments are instructed to immediately procure a reasonable stockpile of N95 and equivalent masks for first responders and healthcare workers without depleting inventory completely for the public.
New guidelines for cleaning and reusing masks will be forthcoming from the CDC to extend existing inventories.
The federal government will be contracting several manufacturing companies to begin the production of new masks conforming to the highest standards.  These masks will be invoiced and delivered to states based on infection rates, hospitalization numbers, and PPE supplies on hand.
Mask use is not a cure all for stopping the virus.  Washing hands, use of hand sanitizer and social distancing should be practiced at all times until the mask supplies exceed demand.

As more information is available on the effectiveness and availability of all types of masks are reported, we will keep you all informed.

The key is to avoid public contact as much as possible.  Buy large quantities of food and essentials in single trips rather than making many trips in a month.  Take advantage of delivery services if available.  Use the Internet for banking and applying for services when possible.  Use common sense -- treat this as you would any other communicable disease when it comes to being near family and friends. 

Above all, do not panic.  Hoarding masks, hand sanitizers, food, water, over-the-counter medications, etc. only hurts others.  Take only what you think you need in the near term.  Anyone trying to profit by stockpiling and reselling these items should be reported to authorities."

Something like that.  Simply lying like they did doesn't cut it.

How would masks be harming people's health right now? Are we talking about people who wear the same moist mask for days on end without washing? Mold or mildew growing, etc. To me that sounds like the person's fault, not the masks fault.

Recent German study on effects of wearing masks more than 90 mins

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8072811/




OSHA requires that any employer whos employees have to wear respiratory PPE for their job  pay for and keep on record a medical evaluation / health screening for lung function and gas exchange to meet minimums to safely wear the PPE, it must be updated annually.


Wear a paper mask most of the day or a half or full face respirator and you will know exactly why. Properly fitted REAL PPE labors your breath.

Do you think masks are an all or nothing type thing? If you were going to go into an environment with asbestos but could only get a mask that filtered 50% of the asbestos would you wear no masks at all? Of course not, you would wear anything you could even if the filtration wasn't 100% because the less you are exposed to the better even if some gets through

You would not be allowed to wear a mask that only filtered out 50%.

Did u know that the procs actually stated one is not allowed to wear a medical grade mask. So health care surgical mask that are rated (astm 1, 2, or 3) the good stuff is not allowed. A "surgical mask" bought at longs, sams, walmart is probably not medical rated. So basically same as a cloth mask.

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How would masks be harming people's health right now? Are we talking about people who wear the same moist mask for days on end without washing? Mold or mildew growing, etc. To me that sounds like the person's fault, not the masks fault.

Its because they are not trained how to properly wear a mask. Because if they were, then they would know cloth mask are rubbish.

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you guys have to stop with the hypothetical '50%' we know what masks do, they stop 10-15% of bacteria & viri YOU ARE EXHALING, they do nothing measurable for what you are inhaling. Even Fauci has admitted it. the CDCs postion is literally 'its better than nothing" while ignoring the downsides. If you arent sick you shouldnt be wearing a mask, literally ZERO benefit to ANYONE.

I think the TRUTH would have been a good place to start.

How about,
"This is a potentially deadly form of the COVID/SARS virus. 
Use whatever commercially produced or DIY masks you can find or make.  Guidelines on making masks will be on the CDC website.
Don't hoard, and don't try to scalp N95 masks.  The federal government will be prosecuting scalpers to the full extent of the law in this emergency. 
We've issued orders to all big box chains to place limits on the number of masks any one person can purchase in a 5 day period. 
State governments are instructed to immediately procure a reasonable stockpile of N95 and equivalent masks for first responders and healthcare workers without depleting inventory completely for the public.
New guidelines for cleaning and reusing masks will be forthcoming from the CDC to extend existing inventories.
The federal government will be contracting several manufacturing companies to begin the production of new masks conforming to the highest standards.  These masks will be invoiced and delivered to states based on infection rates, hospitalization numbers, and PPE supplies on hand.
Mask use is not a cure all for stopping the virus.  Washing hands, use of hand sanitizer and social distancing should be practiced at all times until the mask supplies exceed demand.

As more information is available on the effectiveness and availability of all types of masks are reported, we will keep you all informed.

The key is to avoid public contact as much as possible.  Buy large quantities of food and essentials in single trips rather than making many trips in a month.  Take advantage of delivery services if available.  Use the Internet for banking and applying for services when possible.  Use common sense -- treat this as you would any other communicable disease when it comes to being near family and friends. 

Above all, do not panic.  Hoarding masks, hand sanitizers, food, water, over-the-counter medications, etc. only hurts others.  Take only what you think you need in the near term.  Anyone trying to profit by stockpiling and reselling these items should be reported to authorities."

Something like that.  Simply lying like they did doesn't cut it.

I would take much the same angle. Your response doesn't really address whether the masks were justified in being required but that is somewhat of a tangential issue.

Generally speaking I don't think calling it lying is accurate. There were certainly times where officials lied but I don't think in most instances officials were trying to intentionally deceive people.I think it would be much more accurate to say they were poor at communicating certain things which may have contributed to unnecessary resistance among people. But there was always going to be a mixture of data that would make taking any hard position difficult. Studies coming out showing different things, experts coming out giving different advice, covid infection rates being different in different, etc. Plus you have the CDC, state officials and local officials not always being on the same page. I can see how even if they were great with their messaging there would still be chaos and dissent. Heck people hear one ëxpert" on Facebook who disputes what an official advised and they are ready to conclude deceit.

I would take much the same angle. Your response doesn't really address whether the masks were justified in being required but that is somewhat of a tangential issue.

Generally speaking I don't think calling it lying is accurate. There were certainly times where officials lied but I don't think in most instances officials were trying to intentionally deceive people.I think it would be much more accurate to say they were poor at communicating certain things which may have contributed to unnecessary resistance among people. But there was always going to be a mixture of data that would make taking any hard position difficult. Studies coming out showing different things, experts coming out giving different advice, covid infection rates being different in different, etc. Plus you have the CDC, state officials and local officials not always being on the same page. I can see how even if they were great with their messaging there would still be chaos and dissent. Heck people hear one ëxpert" on Facebook who disputes what an official advised and they are ready to conclude deceit.

I never said they all lied with every statement they made.  But their inconsistencies, flip flops and outright lies in the face of common sense made it nearly impossible to trust them.

No transparency.  No consistency.  No data to allow us to judge for ourselves if the guidance made sense or not.  "Shut up, and color" was the general feeling they gave me.

To mandate masks or not should have been an immediate decision, but to do so flew in the face of the initial "masks won't help" statements.  Inconsistency.

They should have said to wear masks until we figure out what we are up against.  No, "or else".  Just an appeal for everyone to take precautions.  Hell, how many ran out and bought gas masks after the Japan subway sarin attack?  It's not that hard to convince people a little precaution is good and not a civil rights violation.  Making it a political argument just because Trump was at the forefront was on the Dems in DC and the MSM. 

Will we ever hold Pelosi and the media accountable for costing people their lives, like when she told everyone to "come down to China Town!  Nothing to fear!"?

Recent German study on effects of wearing masks more than 90 mins

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8072811/

OSHA requires that any employer whos employees have to wear respiratory PPE for their job  pay for and keep on record a medical evaluation / health screening for lung function and gas exchange to meet minimums to safely wear the PPE, it must be updated annually.
Wear a paper mask most of the day or a half or full face respirator and you will know exactly why. Properly fitted REAL PPE labors your breath.

Thank you for the link. The article did mention infections from moist reused masks as I mentioned and again I would say that this doesn't really make the mask dangerous so much as an issue of humans not making sure their masks are clean.

For some of the other side effects like CO2 and oxygen levels in your body, this is indeed a concern but it is also why guidance was for people who wear masks to get a break every so many hours or minutes. I do wear a P100 mask for sometimes 3 hours at a time so I know it feels different, I certainly wouldn't want to run a race wearing one!

As for the 50%, you are getting too hung up on the number, for the purpose of the question the exact percentage of the reduction is not that important. The issue I am trying to get people to think about is that a reduction even if not 100% is still a reduction with benefits. So even if it is only 10-15% as you claim that is still 15% fewer viruses floating around which could reasonably lead to a reduced spread rate and seriousness of people who do get infected. 

The article did mention infections from moist reused masks as I mentioned and again I would say that this doesn't really make the mask dangerous so much as an issue of humans not making sure their masks are clean.

So it's only worth being paranoid when the government tells you to be paranoid?

You would not be allowed to wear a mask that only filtered out 50%.

Did u know that the procs actually stated one is not allowed to wear a medical grade mask. So health care surgical mask that are rated (astm 1, 2, or 3) the good stuff is not allowed. A "surgical mask" bought at longs, sams, walmart is probably not medical rated. So basically same as a cloth mask.

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In an OSHA controlled environment yes you are correct but thats not really what I had in mind. I had in mind a collapsed building where it would be all dusty and a significant chance of asbestos (among other hazards). If I was going into save someone and all I could find was a mask that was 50% effective I would still take that over no mask at all.

As far as having ratings, that may be true however the lack of a rating does not mean the product is inferior. Case in point: to be a certified organic farm you have to get expensive certifications but I have met farmers whose food is grown in organic soil, non-GMO, etc. and it is organic just the same but without the certification. I don't know whether that would be a factor among the "surgical masks"found at Longs, etc. but something to consider. Could always be some chinese company making crap masks and passing them off as quality ones too, who knows?

So it's only worth being paranoid when the government tells you to be paranoid?

What?
If I never wash my drinking cup and I get sick from mildew growing inside does that mean the cup is dangerous? I would argue no, it would be my bad habit of not washing my cup. Therefore some of the "dangers" associated with the mask aren't really the fault of the mask itself.

I never said they all lied with every statement they made.  But their inconsistencies, flip flops and outright lies in the face of common sense made it nearly impossible to trust them.

No transparency.  No consistency.  No data to allow us to judge for ourselves if the guidance made sense or not.  "Shut up, and color" was the general feeling they gave me.

To mandate masks or not should have been an immediate decision, but to do so flew in the face of the initial "masks won't help" statements.  Inconsistency.

They should have said to wear masks until we figure out what we are up against.  No, "or else".  Just an appeal for everyone to take precautions.  Hell, how many ran out and bought gas masks after the Japan subway sarin attack?  It's not that hard to convince people a little precaution is good and not a civil rights violation.  Making it a political argument just because Trump was at the forefront was on the Dems in DC and the MSM. 

Will we ever hold Pelosi and the media accountable for costing people their lives, like when she told everyone to "come down to China Town!  Nothing to fear!"?

I certainly hope that when this is all said and done and government's reactions are analyzed that we will have a better idea of what worked and didn't work when it came to officials advising and leading the country. There is certainly a lot that could have been done better but I hesitate to monday morning quarterback too much.