#2

Nobody answered my question either.

For those "concerned citizens" who want unvaccinated people to go to the back of the line in regards to medical care, are you volunteering to go to the back of the line if vaccine side effects start clogging up the hospitals?

Are you ready to take a bite of that same feces sandwich that you want us to swallow?

If someone overdoses attempting to commit suicide, the ER doesn't take less serious cases ahead of him/her based on the degree of responsibility they had in their condition.

Medical care is always prioritized by severity and resources.  That's how it works.

Anyone pushing some idiotic change that penalizes people who intentionally OR UNINTENTIONALLY contributed to their own urgent health problems needs to go to church, or at the very least take a class on medical ethics.

People holding off on the vaccine FOR THE MOST PART are just not comfortable with the wishy-washy, incompetent way the government has tried to roll it out.  None of us are trying to kill anyone else (not "infringing on the rights of others").  We want to live and be healthy.  We also want to protect everyone else from getting sick if the measures to do so are reasonable and effective.

My 30+ yr old daughter just had her first shot last week.  She experienced minor fever, aches, and a general feeling of fatigue and "blah".

I've yet to take it, but I'm getting closer to making the leap.

We do all the social distance, mask in public, wash the hands stuff, so no different than the REST of the time we've been doing our part.

So, ppl like OmniGrub need to stop assigning motives, feelings and names to those of us making OUR OWN DECISIONS based on the same information he has.  Most people here haven't ragged on him for making the choice he did, but rather for trying to force the rest of us into choosing the same thing.
 
He was given the CHOICE to take the vaccine.  Why can't he give the rest of us the same freedom to choose for ourselves?  #RHETORICAL

Not looking for yet another regurgitated reply from him.  We've heard it all before over and over.

As to #2, are you enjoying the side you have chosen in the latest US vs. THEM PsyOp they keep running? American  exceptionalism used to be about digging deep and coming together to defeat an enemy, conquer a problem, reach a goal. People used to make sacrifices to help their community and for the greater good in times of crisis.

Now everything on every issue is pick a Team, Red or Blue and  F those other guys I hope they loose their jobs they end up living on the street and their dog gets cancer.

If everyone was vaccinated and medical resources were still strained who do you hate on next and say you should refuse service to? Fatties? Diabetics? Retards? Haoles? Who are you gonna blame for the world for falling apart?

How about everyone start blaming the Chinese Government? They are the ones who made everyone sick, not the people refusing experimental drugs.

The unvaxxed have higher death rates.  Doesn't have to be some deep moral judgment from the doctors.  They just pick the vaxxed over the unvaxxed because they will survive more.  Doctors do this all the time in accident victims etc. 

Now you can see why cheap drugs like Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin were demonized and said that it would kill you.  These drugs have been around for decades and are safe and yet you were told it was unsafe, it would scar your heart, cause brain damage, blah blah blah.  I've heard (don't know if it's true) that one of these drugs might cure cancer.  Could you imagine if you had cancer and you caught Covid 19 and they treated you with the drug and it cured you of covid19 and your cancer.  What would be the implications that this was hidden from the people.  Not to mention that it would devastate the Medical/chemotherapy and pharmaceutical industry (I hope it's true and it does because the industries would deserve it...profit above life which means nothing to them).  Didn't anyone read today's paper, it was headline news I'm surprised they reported on it.  And yes the FDA will not say that its an approved treatment until Big Pharma and the corrupt politicians makes its BILLIONS off of the vaccines.  Maybe we should be checking these politicians finances who are pushing vaccinations if they have their hands in the Honey Pot.

EUA is not valid if there is a verified treatment
think about it...

The unvaxxed have higher death rates.  Doesn't have to be some deep moral judgment from the doctors.  They just pick the vaxxed over the unvaxxed because they will survive more.  Doctors do this all the time in accident victims etc.

medical ethicist at heart...

#2 No one seemed to really address the issue of what to do with overcrowded hospitals. We can nitpick whether these covid patients had co-morbidities but bottom line is that hospitals can, and in some cases are, getting over run meaning some people will get turned away. So what should be done about that? Like it or not there is an awfully strong argument to put the unvaccinated people at the back of the line since they chose a course of action that put them in greater danger. So for a possible comparison, if you are an alcoholic with a bad liver, you aren't going to be put at the top of the donor list. I am all for personal freedom to not get vaccinated but if my child might die and an unvaccinated covid patient is seeking the same hospital bed why should that person not be placed 2nd in line? What if your child died because unvaccinated covid patients took up all the beds, do the unvaccinated people not share some responsibility?

Triage is the answer.  But that would be worst case scenario.  So all other options are out the window too, which means:

1) 100% of all hospitals on the island are full
2) Air lifting to "outer islands" are not possible cause they're full too
3) Other facilities are set up by hospitals (parking lot, cafeteria, etc...) are full
4) National Guard/military help is maxed out (military triage tents set up at say Aloha Stadium) are full


If your son is turned away and dies, then that means he was so critical that he died.  So negligence on the hospital for not recognizing the seriousness.  Compared to someone who has CV who isn't in immediate danger of dying. On a side note, this is what England does if someone comes into the ER due to "free healthcare".  Unless you're dying, you're told to come back later.

This is why I posted about asking why aren't the good treatments being utilized?  Instead people are told to recover the natural way.  Read the post about my client. I don't remember if it was here or in the CV thread. LMK if you want me to retype.

Read the post about the you vs. them above.  That's basically what's happening and only the weak minded are falling for it. Luckily, you're not falling for it like how someone else is. We have seen this tactic used many times recently.  Trump vs. DNC, Blue Line vs. liberals, White vs. Black, etc...Now it's vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. And it's the vaxx pushers who are wanting to make life difficult for the unvaxxed.  So guess which side they're on.

KHON2 news this morning said about 98% of state workers are vaxxed. About 1K are not. 80 something applied for religious exceptions.  The state wants to charge $200 extra a month for health insurance.  Then add in the weekly test of $150.  Lets make it so expensive that now someone is forced to get vaxxed.  I can go on and on about their plan to force the vaxx, but I'll just end it here.

medical ethicist at heart...

To be fair, I doubt he took an ethics class/chapter that covered this topic.

To be fair, I doubt he took an ethics class/chapter that covered this topic.

They don't teach that stuff at totalitarian school

Once you submit to forced  government Vaxx then Boosters,  then more Boosters,  they will just keep adding things they 'need' to inject into you for 'your safety'. Rights taken away by Government are never returned, they become 'privileges' they allow you.

Enjoy the Sci-Fi movie ending.

So far, of the 4k people in the hospital, about 10% of that are covid related.  State website doesn't show what the number of hospital beds are, like how they do ICU and ventilators.

#2

Nobody answered my question either.

For those "concerned citizens" who want unvaccinated people to go to the back of the line in regards to medical care, are you volunteering to go to the back of the line if vaccine side effects start clogging up the hospitals?



Are you ready to take a bite of that same feces sandwich that you want us to swallow?

Your post does not make any sense. Of the hundreds of millions of vaccinated people, only a very very few have had any severe vax related consequences.

Conversely, the unvaccinated masses coming down with severe covid are clogging up medical facilities as we speak. Million dollar hospital stays that mostly could have been avoided with a safe and approved and easy and free vaccine.

... only a very very few have had any severe vax related consequences.

... so far.  There's no way to predict the long term effects at this stage.  So many unknowns, very few answers.

Younger people with the vaccine are experiencing enlarged hearts.  How many are seeing something similar but without immediate symptoms?

Pregnant women or women planning to become pregnant are warned against receiving other vaccines as well as a host of other prescription drugs.  The chances of birth defects and/or complications isn't that high, but the risk of problems/side effects is still a concern.  Why is this vaccine any different?

In 1982, only a very few people in one neighborhood who took Tylenol died from potassium cyanide poisoning, but it resulted in a national recall.  The investigation went on for years, but no one was ever arrested.

It doesn't take more than "a very few people" to make me pause and look for ADDITIONAL INFORMATION on the risks.  To me, there needs to be information provided that directly and scientifically addresses these specific concerns.  Statistics are not enough for me, as we all know that numbers can be manipulated or simply incomplete.

On that note, how many people need to die, experience long term health problems, or become another break-through super-spreader before the risk outweighs the perceived benefit of the vaccine?  That number is going to be subjective -- different from person to person.

How many are fat that are in the hospital?  I've asked Green this via his social media many times and got no reply.  But yet he replies to other peoples questions that fit the narrative.

Your post does not make any sense. Of the hundreds of millions of vaccinated people, only a very very few have had any severe vax related consequences.

Conversely, the unvaccinated masses coming down with severe covid are clogging up medical facilities as we speak. Million dollar hospital stays that mostly could have been avoided with a safe and approved and easy and free vaccine.

"unvaccinated masses coming down with severe covid are clogging up medical facilities as we speak."
Who says that?  Your Democrat party?
The same people running the state and Federal government today?
The same people that say that inflation is minimal?
The same people that are running the Afgan withdrawl so professionally?
The same people doing such a good job educating our kids?
The same people that consider guns to be a public health issue?
I could go on, but I'll stop here.
Democrats lie, they will use any means to accomplish their goals.
 

"unvaccinated masses coming down with severe covid are clogging up medical facilities as we speak."
Who says that?  Your Democrat party?
The same people running the state and Federal government today?
The same people that say that inflation is minimal?
The same people that are running the Afgan withdrawl so professionally?
The same people doing such a good job educating our kids?
The same people that consider guns to be a public health issue?
I could go on, but I'll stop here.
Democrats lie, they will use any means to accomplish their goals.
 

Why no treatments being used like candy?  Not like Tom Hanks, Rita Hanks, Daniel Dae Kim all got better on their own.

How many are fat that are in the hospital?  I've asked Green this via his social media many times and got no reply.  But yet he replies to other peoples questions that fit the narrative.

Obesity is a chronic medical condition.  Diseases linked to obesity like diabetes and heart disease are not themselves ER or ICU situations.  Heart attacks happen in the general population regardless of physical size.   The symptoms of obesity are treated long term with diet, exercise and daily medication ... sometimes to include insulin injections.  There's really no comparison with a virus that can cause respiratory failure in as little as a week.

The "obesity is bad" people need to recognize they are homing in on ONE aspect of the condition:  individual responsibility.  But, in reality, the disease couldn't be more different than COVID-19.

Demonizing people for the PERCEPTION that they have caused their own weight problem is why medical information is protected as private.  Judging people without getting the whole picture is so easy.

Why no treatments being used like candy?  Not like Tom Hanks, Rita Hanks, Daniel Dae Kim all got better on their own.

Huh?
Your'e normally pretty lucid ,  I'm missing this one.
 

Huh?
Your'e normally pretty lucid ,  I'm missing this one.
 

There have been many successful treatments being used.  Like HCQ stack that Hanks and DDK were given.  Even others who told their stories "I thought was going to die.  I called my wife to tell her good bye because i'm not going to make it thru the night.  Doc gave me HCQ stack and in 6 hours I felt way better". Trump also mentions it and guess what happens. Hanks and DDK shut up about it.  Some government officials ban it, like they did in Nevada.

Then add in Ivemectin that India has been using on millions.

So why aren't any of these being used?  Refer back to my client who was in the hospital for 3 weeks.  He was told "not FDA approved" is why he wasn't given anything. Even though HCQ has been around for generations.  But yet vaxx, at that time was not FDA approved either, but OK to give.  Can't authorize an EUA if there is an effective treatment.  So the treatments should be given out to everyone who's in the hospital (like candy reference).  Catch it early is the best.  Waiting until it gets so bad that now you get the treatments is like trying to defeat stage 4 cancer.  If you can treat it early, you get better odds.

There have been some studies on the HCQ stack and it's effectiveness in the US.  Many of which were done to people so far gone that it would make little difference (stage 4 cancer reference above).  So said studies concluded that HCQ doesn't work.  Even though many other countries as well have been using it with success.  This was all in 2020.  HCQ is also very cheap since the patent on it expired.

Hope this helps.

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