It wasn't a health issue? Thousand more people are dying and hospitals are filled to the max, how is that not a health issue?


And how is it a control issue? To what end? Some politician is rubbing his hand together in glee that he managed to get people to wear masks? Is the requirement that you wear clothing to cover your genitals also just the man keeping us down too?

I was specifically referring to the mask tyranny.   Many comments here explained why masks do not work for viruses.
The politicians don't use masks in private as has been well publicized.
Requiring people to do stuff that doesn't work, you know it, and still demand it,  is tyranny.   
The "Blue" governments here in the USA  are envious envious of Australian government actions.
Quarrantine camps, masks, and Papers needed to go out in public.
Right up Josh Greens alley.
 

Politicians / Bureaucrats only have one actual power, the ability to say NO!

And we all know the old saying...

The ability to sway public opinion and get the "masses" to comply is an exercise in control that governments all over the world has been tweaking and refining since the start of dynasties.

Control equals power.

The Roman Empire used food to feed the starving citizens.

During the 9/11 era they used patriotism to unify the masses.

Now with Covid they are using fear.

Pandemics are nothing new of course but the overall situation is. No one had to deal with social media caused division during the Spanish Flu.

The forms of media might have changed, but you can't possibly believe there was no one voicing opinions that opposed the main stream "experts."

Do you honestly think the people trusted the government implicitly before the Internet?

Hawaii law does require you to wear eye protection while riding a motorcycle though

And they require a motorcycle test before issuing a license with a motorcycle endorsement.

None of that is relevant to helmet laws. 

Eye protection is intended to protect motorists in general, since a rider unable to see can cause an accident involving other vehicles.  No different than requiring windshields without cracks or other damage on automobiles.

Same for the test.  Car drivers have to pass a road test to demonstrate knowledge of the laws and ability to handle the vehicle.

The motorcycle test is not that easy, even for a seasoned rider.  It's easier on a smaller bike -- 250CC or less.  I tried on my 1100XT Honda and failed the first time.  Then I decided to take the MC safety class at Leeward Community College.  A few Saturdays of class and hands-on practice, and I passed the test the last day of class.  That certificate satisfied the DMV test requirement, but they still charged when I got my license for the test!  This state can't pass up any chance to take your money!

After all that, I hung up my helmet.  The thing missing from all this safety training was for all the other drivers on the road.  They were not properly trained to share the road with motorcycles.  No matter what I did to drive defensively, too many close calls by bad drivers added up to "it's just a matter of time until one gets you."

I was specifically referring to the mask tyranny.   Many comments here explained why masks do not work for viruses.
The politicians don't use masks in private as has been well publicized.
Requiring people to do stuff that doesn't work, you know it, and still demand it,  is tyranny.   
The "Blue" governments here in the USA  are envious envious of Australian government actions.
Quarrantine camps, masks, and Papers needed to go out in public.
Right up Josh Greens alley.
 

I have disputed many of those comments suggesting that masks do nothing for viruses so lets set that one aside for a moment.

The politicians didn't always use masks as advised? You are correct but that doesn't inherently prove tyranny. It could merely be that people are imperfect at following rules even they believe. I recall a study of how many people thought it was bad to use their cell phone while driving but how a majority of those people also do it themselves. Inconsistencies between ideologies and practice are very common in humans. This isn't an excuse for what they did of course, as leaders they should be expected to lead by example. Their failure to follow rules leads to a loss of trust and that trust is important in dealing with something like this. They should absolutely be chastised but it doesn't mean they are just trying to trick us.

The forms of media might have changed, but you can't possibly believe there was no one voicing opinions that opposed the main stream "experts."

Do you honestly think the people trusted the government implicitly before the Internet?

But before the internet you couldn't have any old idiot make a claim and have it heard the same day by the entire world.

On the plus side the internet also allows people to fact check these idiots but unfortunately sometimes that doesn't matter because once their message gets out people who want to believe it swipe it up and dig in deeper.

I have disputed many of those comments suggesting that masks do nothing for viruses so lets set that one aside for a moment.

The politicians didn't always use masks as advised? You are correct but that doesn't inherently prove tyranny. It could merely be that people are imperfect at following rules even they believe. I recall a study of how many people thought it was bad to use their cell phone while driving but how a majority of those people also do it themselves. Inconsistencies between ideologies and practice are very common in humans. This isn't an excuse for what they did of course, as leaders they should be expected to lead by example. Their failure to follow rules leads to a loss of trust and that trust is important in dealing with something like this. They should absolutely be chastised but it doesn't mean they are just trying to trick us.

I expect a real doctor to always wear his cloth mask correctly.

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And they require a motorcycle test before issuing a license with a motorcycle endorsement.

None of that is relevant to helmet laws. 

Eye protection is intended to protect motorists in general, since a rider unable to see can cause an accident involving other vehicles.  No different than requiring windshields without cracks or other damage on automobiles.

Same for the test.  Car drivers have to pass a road test to demonstrate knowledge of the laws and ability to handle the vehicle.

The motorcycle test is not that easy, even for a seasoned rider.  It's easier on a smaller bike -- 250CC or less.  I tried on my 1100XT Honda and failed the first time.  Then I decided to take the MC safety class at Leeward Community College.  A few Saturdays of class and hands-on practice, and I passed the test the last day of class.  That certificate satisfied the DMV test requirement, but they still charged when I got my license for the test!  This state can't pass up any chance to take your money!

After all that, I hung up my helmet.  The thing missing from all this safety training was for all the other drivers on the road.  They were not properly trained to share the road with motorcycles.  No matter what I did to drive defensively, too many close calls by bad drivers added up to "it's just a matter of time until one gets you."

I also took my training class through that program. A helmet law is generally meant to protect you while a eye protection law is meant to protect others. I think the one societal argument that could be made for mandatory helmet laws is that if someone died from not wearing a helmet then it screws us over because they close the roads for 3 hours while they investigate. If you had a helmet and lived then its open pretty quickly. But my libertarian side kicks in here and I still generally say if people want to risk just their own lives then so be it.

I expect a real doctor to always wear his cloth mask correctly.

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This isn’t even the worst one. There’s a video of green in what looks like a restaurant with no mask and he’s shaking hands and hugging people who are also maskless.

This isn’t even the worst one. There’s a video of green in what looks like a restaurant with no mask and he’s shaking hands and hugging people who are also maskless.

Or when he was "helping" uniformed folks unload PPE.  He was maskless and in the face of the airman (IIRC) doing his work.  That was right about the time when he was going on, and on, and on about absolutely need to wear masks at all time.  But ooh, photo op, let's make sure I get my face recognized. . . what a twit. . .

If he was some other politician, then I give him a break. But due to his profession, I hold him to a higher standard.

As read by Hard Bastard.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/SF22Z09tpy04/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/qpqQ8hr9odXA/
https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZUaLeA4xpGA9/

Is there 100% certainty that the vaccine cannot cause medical complications , or even death? To me that would be a good reason to not make it mandatory..
Let say you have been diagnosed with a brain aneurysm. You are on a rigimine if drugs, diet , and lifestyle changes required to regulate your circulatory system at exact levels to prevent your anurysm from bursting and killing you. Would you feel comfortable being forced to take a vaccine, that in some rare cases has caused blood clots? Should you feel it fair that you are mandated to take any injection? Since I know someone in that situation I can understand the dilema

When I try to look up information on cloth masks, and the delta variety, mist if what I read says they are ineffective, but it's better than nothing. I don't consider that convincing
Not saying I'm anti vax, or that I refuse to wear masks around others, I don't see what right people have to tell me their safety is MY responsibility. If you are concerned about a mask less person, it is your right to distance yourself from them . Protect yourself, not force them to protect you.
To let the government take your right to freedom because ice a public health crisis is dangerous. You already hear the CDC saying gun ownership is a public health crisis. Where do you draw the line?

The problem with a job is that you give up a certain amount of freedom to do one.  Listening to orders from someone,   going to certain locations,  working with certain people, what you can and can't wear etc.  For that you get compensated with money.   Unless you own the company you don't get to make all the rules.  You can find a new job if you are not happy.  But as a company/ organization  they have to balance the well being and liability as a whole.   It's their property, their rules.   Within reason.   

The same applies to your house.   Can they wear shoes indoors,  smoke etc. Who gets to come in.   If you wanted to make a rule about vaxx or masks for your own house you can and should be able to.  That government job is on government property they make the rules. 

So why is the gubmint trying to tell (force?) private sector businesses to mandate?   

Our gubmint the way it is now is full of shit.

So why is the gubmint trying to tell (force?) private sector businesses to mandate?   

Our gubmint the way it is now is full of shit.

That's something like health focused mandates they do that for food,  Osha, and many other similar things.   Not sure why people are getting so triggered.   

I think it's because the government has lied many many times in the past.  There is very little trust, especially in people that has lived as long as I have.

Just like how it's just been discovered that Fauci has lied.  About funding the Wuhan labs.  He lied.  Plain and simple.

Paul Rand was right all along.  Fauci is a government weasal.

Hours after Biden made his Royal Mandate Decree.


VP
 Kamala Harris: "The right of women to make decisions about their own bodies is not negotiable. The right of women to make decisions about their own bodies is their decision, it is their body."


https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1436068392197361664

That isn't Social Distancing, that's Political Distancing.