Hours after Biden made his Royal Mandate Decree.


VP
 Kamala Harris: "The right of women to make decisions about their own bodies is not negotiable. The right of women to make decisions about their own bodies is their decision, it is their body."


https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1436068392197361664

That isn't Social Distancing, that's Political Distancing.

Can't catch a baby.  Then again I wonder if you were ever in a situation you might have one so maybe you don't understand.

I think it's because the government has lied many many times in the past.  There is very little trust, especially in people that has lived as long as I have.

Just like how it's just been discovered that Fauci has lied.  About funding the Wuhan labs.  He lied.  Plain and simple.

Paul Rand was right all along.  Fauci is a government weasal.

I'll add to that.
Perhaps us old farts are tired of being required to pull our pants down,
bend over and grab our ankles, when some Democrat gets horny.
Afterwards they take our wallets
and say I hope you liked it.
It is for the good of all the "village".
 

Afterwards they take our wallets
and say I hope you liked it.
It is for the good of all the "village".
 

I call B. S.  They don't care if you liked it

The more I think about all these government mandates and job mandates it really seems they just aren't very good with the carrot and the stick. One thing I am surprised that i have not seen is using health insurance as a carrot of a stick. Separate all the emotion and the coercion surrounding it and just have the insurance companies come out and say they have calculated the risk and costs associated with treating covid patients. Say that they have found that treating an unvaccinated covid patient cost $X vs a vaccinated person and that the cost/risk is going to be reflected in the health insurance premiums of customers based on whether they are vaccinated or not. To me that makes the most sense, make it as simple as an economics cost passed on to the consumer. Get the vaccine or have to pay $X more a month in premiums. No moral judgement, no emotions, no threats, just economics.

The more I think about all these government mandates and job mandates it really seems they just aren't very good with the carrot and the stick. One thing I am surprised that i have not seen is using health insurance as a carrot of a stick. Separate all the emotion and the coercion surrounding it and just have the insurance companies come out and say they have calculated the risk and costs associated with treating covid patients. Say that they have found that treating an unvaccinated covid patient cost $X vs a vaccinated person and that the cost/risk is going to be reflected in the health insurance premiums of customers based on whether they are vaccinated or not. To me that makes the most sense, make it as simple as an economics cost passed on to the consumer. Get the vaccine or have to pay $X more a month in premiums. No moral judgement, no emotions, no threats, just economics.

Theyre already working on this.

So its ok to be unvaxxed as long as u pay extra? Like a tax stamp makes a suppressor no longer as illegal.

How about extra $2k a month for the unvaxxed. Oops now here is coercion.

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The more I think about all these government mandates and job mandates it really seems they just aren't very good with the carrot and the stick. One thing I am surprised that i have not seen is using health insurance as a carrot of a stick. Separate all the emotion and the coercion surrounding it and just have the insurance companies come out and say they have calculated the risk and costs associated with treating covid patients. Say that they have found that treating an unvaccinated covid patient cost $X vs a vaccinated person and that the cost/risk is going to be reflected in the health insurance premiums of customers based on whether they are vaccinated or not. To me that makes the most sense, make it as simple as an economics cost passed on to the consumer. Get the vaccine or have to pay $X more a month in premiums. No moral judgement, no emotions, no threats, just economics.

They better figure out a MUCH MORE effective vaccine before they go down that road. And as someone who has been paying for health insurance for 50 years and has had zero need for a single serious medical intervention pretty please go down the road of how much I cost vs what you do. A lot of people have been getting a free ride from Kaiser paid for by my premiums. I could probably be driven by ambulance to work everyday for free at this point.

The more I think about all these government mandates and job mandates it really seems they just aren't very good with the carrot and the stick. One thing I am surprised that i have not seen is using health insurance as a carrot of a stick. Separate all the emotion and the coercion surrounding it and just have the insurance companies come out and say they have calculated the risk and costs associated with treating covid patients. Say that they have found that treating an unvaccinated covid patient cost $X vs a vaccinated person and that the cost/risk is going to be reflected in the health insurance premiums of customers based on whether they are vaccinated or not. To me that makes the most sense, make it as simple as an economics cost passed on to the consumer. Get the vaccine or have to pay $X more a month in premiums. No moral judgement, no emotions, no threats, just economics.

Generally I'm more or less an accepting person but I'm starting to hate people like you: Little Eichmanns who think they can explain away the atrocities of our evil overlords, but using a cool rational demeanor like it's no big deal, bro.

If I was an insurance company, opening the door to this sort of policy would be the golden goose of medical extortion.
Keep overcharging the average consumer, and then way overcharge (basically deny healthcare) to those who need it most.

Insurance companies would be raking in money without having to spend anything in return, right up until the point where the medical system collapses and angry mobs start forming outside the mansions of the executives.

Since we are going down this hole - Why not pay me for not smoking? Less premiums for people that are not overweight?

Since we are talking about the Covid vax what about flu vax every year?

Theyre already working on this.

So its ok to be unvaxxed as long as u pay extra? Like a tax stamp makes a suppressor no longer as illegal.

How about extra $2k a month for the unvaxxed. Oops now here is coercion.

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No judgement needed, just a numbers game. They already do this for smokers. Even at a company level the premiums can be tied the costs via the health of the workers so an overall healthier staff means lower costs to insure.

Since we are going down this hole - Why not pay me for not smoking? Less premiums for people that are not overweight?

I believe that smoking is one of the few things that insurance companies are allowed to factor in to insurance costs. Used to be more factors bu Obamacare took many of those factors away.

Since we are going down this hole - Why not pay me for not smoking? Less premiums for people that are not overweight?

Put a Lojack on everyone cars and monitor their driving habits....

Generally I'm more or less an accepting person but I'm starting to hate people like you: Little Eichmanns who think they can explain away the atrocities of our evil overlords, but using a cool rational demeanor like it's no big deal, bro.

If I was an insurance company, opening the door to this sort of policy would be the golden goose of medical extortion.
Keep overcharging the average consumer, and then way overcharge (basically deny healthcare) to those who need it most.

Insurance companies would be raking in money without having to spend anything in return, right up until the point where the medical system collapses and angry mobs start forming outside the mansions of the executives.

You are kind of making the base argument for universal/government subsidized healthcare. Not saying that is good or bad, just pointing it out.

Insurance companies already do with with a few factors, most notably whether someone smokes. It begs the question why should I have to pay extra to subsidize the increased costs of caring for someone who has chosen courses with increased risk. Heck my motorcycle insurance was more expensive than my car, because motorcycles are more dangerous.

While I hate the idea of mandated vaccines it is hardly an atrocity to provide incentives.

Put a Lojack on everyone cars and monitor their driving habits....

Thats what that whole safe driver discount thing is. They put a device that monitors your driving and you get cheaper insurance if they see you are a safer driver. Lower risk = lower premiums.

No judgement needed, just a numbers game. They already do this for smokers. Even at a company level the premiums can be tied the costs via the health of the workers so an overall healthier staff means lower costs to insure.

When you start treating people differently for health categories they fall into, you're crossing the line between equal treatment and scapegoating.

I'm not referring to the guy who never goes to the hospital and the one getting a heart transplant.  I'm talking about the gouging of one class of people simply based on a disease they don't have, which they may never get, and if they do get it, have a low chance of dying from.

The extra premium idea here is to offset not the risk to the insured, but to offset the perceived risk to others they might infect.  Please name another disease that insurance companies tack on additional premiums for that affect people other than the insured.

That mentality is no different than requiring firearm insurance that's supposedly in place to pay for the medical costs of people gun owners may shoot -- intentionally or not.  As I discussed elsewhere, that's not a realistic understanding of how insurance works.  No insurance company is going to pay out if I intentionally shoot an attacker.

Thats what that whole safe driver discount thing is. They put a device that monitors your driving and you get cheaper insurance if they see you are a safer driver. Lower risk = lower premiums.

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My auto insurance gives you money back for not making claims and having a clean abstract, aint no body putting a tracking device on my car. Certainly not my healthcare provider.

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My auto insurance gives you money back for not making claims and having a clean abstract, aint no body putting a tracking device on my car. Certainly not my healthcare provider.

USAA Subscriber's Savings Account.   

While I hate the idea of mandated vaccines it is hardly an atrocity to provide incentives.

They would never take away the carrot and mandate it...oh wait. Being done now.

Those who can see where this was going months ago is why we were fighting against bring vaxxed and coming into HI doesnt require a test.

"How did the jews let the holocaust happen?". Now we know.



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They would never take away the carrot and mandate it...oh wait. Being done now.

Those who can see where this was going months ago is why we were fighting against bring vaxxed and coming into HI doesnt require a test.

"How did the jews let the holocaust happen?". Now we know.



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#everythingistheholocaust

I've said the same shyt  they will mandate it once it was FDA approved.  They will have a testing option.   You are not special.  It was as if the "jews" could see the end result from the very beginning.