Nutshell.
But hospitalization is a big thing.
Don’t know stats on that off hand.
But pretty sure vaxxed can spread it.
But hopefully not going to the hospital or dying.

You are kind of making the base argument for universal/government subsidized healthcare. Not saying that is good or bad, just pointing it out.

You can't have universal healthcare in a destroyed system, which is exactly what the policies that you support are going to accomplish.

Eye, makes some very good points.   👍

It begs the question why should I have to pay extra to subsidize the increased costs of caring for someone who has chosen courses with increased risk.

Uh, that extends beyond healthcare, waaaayyyyy beyond. 

“Uh oh it looks like you own firearms, Mr. Johnson. Unfortunately under the terms of your High Risk plan the procedure that you need to keep you alive is not covered. Now will that be cash or credit for today’s 80% copayment?”

We can read everyones DNA now, we should certainly tag everyone who is biologically flawed and base their insurance costs on what health problems they are genetically predisposed to have in their lifetime. Maybe even force them to get gene therapy to remove those flaws.

So far all employers (4 different ones starting at age 15)  that I got my health insurance from never asked any health questions like if I smoke, am fat, have HIV, etc...The only time my premium went up more than normal inflation was when Barrycare took effect , and I lost my plan.

So if a unvaxxed person is charged say $200 extra a month, does a vaxxed person get a $200 a month reduction in premium?  If the answer is no, then this is nothing more than a plot to get people to get vaxxed.

I don't know where you got the grahpic, but in a few words the entire
calculus of a political party is exposed!
 

Nutshell.
But hospitalization is a big thing.
Don’t know stats on that off hand.
But pretty sure vaxxed can spread it.
But hopefully not going to the hospital or dying.

Ok if you want to really want to walk down the road following this overblown made up Scarcity of Medical Resources meme. Why would you prioritize care based on ingesting a single medicine? Need to triage based on long term and what is 'best' for society.

 Old people getting sick will always need more and longer care and they had their time on the planet already, back of the line,
 Drug Addicts, Fatties, Smokers, Drinkers they are bringing bad health on themselves, back of the line.
 What about the long term sustainability of society and its tax base to fund the medical programs? Unemployed, Retired, Welfare recipients folks dont pay in to keep the machine humming, back of the line.
 Is your trade, profession, occupation a necessity in society to keep the lights on, food in mouths and shelter over head? If you can probably be replaced by AI or Automation well tough luck, we will talk about you if we have anything left over ....



 

I got this response from a techtuber in China when I asked why things looked like they were in full swing in Shenzen, while the rest of the world was sucking it.

This isn't really about a virus anymore.

We can read everyones DNA now, we should certainly tag everyone who is biologically flawed and base their insurance costs on what health problems they are genetically predisposed to have in their lifetime. Maybe even force them to get gene therapy to remove those flaws.

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Better option is to gene edit the babies before their are born so they don't have those flaws 

I got this response from a techtuber in China when I asked why things looked like they were in full swing in Shenzen, while the rest of the world was sucking it.

This isn't really about a virus anymore.

Don't really want to believe china.  And if they are telling the truth is because they stop the virus by having no freedoms.  Everyone is tracked and they can lock you down and starve you if they want. 

Ok if you want to really want to walk down the road following this overblown made up Scarcity of Medical Resources meme. Why would you prioritize care based on ingesting a single medicine? Need to triage based on long term and what is 'best' for society.

 Old people getting sick will always need more and longer care and they had their time on the planet already, back of the line,
 Drug Addicts, Fatties, Smokers, Drinkers they are bringing bad health on themselves, back of the line.
 What about the long term sustainability of society and its tax base to fund the medical programs? Unemployed, Retired, Welfare recipients folks dont pay in to keep the machine humming, back of the line.
 Is your trade, profession, occupation a necessity in society to keep the lights on, food in mouths and shelter over head? If you can probably be replaced by AI or Automation well tough luck, we will talk about you if we have anything left over ....
 

So do you support universal healthcare?  This was brought up before.  But you sure are saying the talking points.

Don't really want to believe china.  And if they are telling the truth is because they stop the virus by having no freedoms.  Everyone is tracked and they can lock you down and starve you if they want.

Removing freedoms was my point. It's a slow boil.

Removing freedoms was my point. It's a slow boil.

Check out the WHO website and see how many deaths China has. When I checked a few months ago, it was 12,000.

Many do not understand the slow boil.

Check out the WHO website and see how many deaths China has. When I checked a few months ago, it was 12,000.

Many do not understand the slow boil.

It's a very old metaphor.

I wasn’t commenting on medical care prioritization.
I was just saying the vaxxed can still catch and spread it but so far looks like they get hospitalized far less frequently.
So if I can still catch it and spread it, how does the vaxx card give me the free pass ?

I wasn’t commenting on medical care prioritization.
I was just saying the vaxxed can still catch and spread it but so far looks like they get hospitalized far less frequently.
So if I can still catch it and spread it, how does the vaxx card give me the free pass ?

being vaxxed gets you a free pass.  No need test before flying back into HI.  I had a coworker come back from Vegas and catch COVID. The entire wedding party up there is positive.  She's fully vaxxed. Only reason why she didn't come into the office was because she lost her sense of smell when putting on her perfume b4 coming to work.  So had she not worn perfume, she would have been coming into the office until more major symptoms appeared, which they did in the coming days.  She's fine now, but been out for a month.

If anyone thinks this is important.  Sorry about this.
Words occasionally mean something.  It is always a good thing to know what you are talking about.

law noun
plural laws
Definition of law (Entry 1 of 6)
1a(1): a binding custom or practice of a community : a rule of conduct or action prescribed (see PRESCRIBE sense 1a) or formally recognized as binding or enforced by a controlling authority
(2): the whole body of such customs, practices, or rules
The courts exist to uphold, interpret, and apply the law.
(3): COMMON LAW
b(1): the control brought about by the existence or enforcement of such law
(2): the action of laws considered as a means of redressing wrongs
developed the habit of going to law over the slightest provocation
— H. A. Overstreet
(3): the agency of or an agent of established law
When he saw that the fighting was escalating, he called in the law.
c: a rule or order that it is advisable or obligatory to observe
a law of self-preservation
d: something compatible with or enforceable by established law
The decrees were judged not to be law and were therefore rescinded.
e: CONTROL, AUTHORITY
The child submits to no law.
2aoften capitalized : the revelation of the will of God set forth in the Old Testament
bcapitalized : the first part of the Jewish scriptures : PENTATEUCH, TORAH
— see BIBLE TABLE
3: a rule of construction or procedure

freedom noun
free·​dom | \ ˈfrē-dəm  \
Definition of freedom
1: the quality or state of being free: such as
a: the absence of necessity, coercion, or constraint in choice or action
b: liberation from slavery or restraint or from the power of another : INDEPENDENCE
c: the quality or state of being exempt or released usually from something onerous
freedom from care
d: unrestricted use
gave him the freedom of their home
e: EASE, FACILITY
spoke the language with freedom
f: the quality of being frank, open, or outspoken
answered with freedom
g: improper familiarity
h: boldness of conception or execution

incrementalism noun
in·​cre·​men·​tal·​ism | \ ˌiŋ-krə-ˈmen-tə-ˌli-zəm  \
Definition of incrementalism
: a policy or advocacy of a policy of political or social change by degrees :

pandemic adjective
pan·​dem·​ic | \ pan-ˈde-mik  \
Definition of pandemic (Entry 1 of 2)
1: occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population
pandemic malaria
The 1918 flu was pandemic and claimed millions of lives.
2: characterized by very widespread growth or extent : EPIDEMIC entry 1 sense 3
a problem of pandemic proportions
pandemic noun
plural pandemics
Definition of pandemic (Entry 2 of 2)
1: an outbreak of a disease that occurs over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affects a significant proportion of the population : a pandemic outbreak of a disease
a global pandemic
Influenza pandemics seem to strike every few decades and to kill by the million—at least 1m in 1968; perhaps 100m in the "Spanish" flu of 1918-19.
— The Economist
2: an outbreak or product of sudden rapid spread, growth, or development : EPIDEMIC entry 2 sense 2
We have been talking about the pandemic of racism for centuries.

endemic
adjective Also en·dem·i·cal .
natural to or characteristic of a specific people or place; native; indigenous:
endemic folkways;
countries where high unemployment is endemic.
belonging exclusively or confined to a particular place:
a fever endemic to the tropics.
(of a disease) persisting in a population or region, generally having settled to a relatively constant rate of occurrence:
The coronavirus that causes COVID-19 may never disappear, but could become endemic like HIV.

vaccine
[ vak-seen or, especially British, vak-seen, -sin ]
noun
any preparation used as a preventive inoculation to confer immunity against a specific disease, usually employing an innocuous form of the disease agent, as killed or weakened bacteria or viruses, to stimulate antibody production.
the virus of cowpox, used in vaccination, obtained from pox vesicles of a cow or person.
a software program that helps to protect against computer viruses, as by detecting them and warning the user.

cdc definition a vaccination

being vaxxed gets you a free pass.  No need test before flying back into HI.  I had a coworker come back from Vegas and catch COVID. The entire wedding party up there is positive.  She's fully vaxxed. Only reason why she didn't come into the office was because she lost her sense of smell when putting on her perfume b4 coming to work.  So had she not worn perfume, she would have been coming into the office until more major symptoms appeared, which they did in the coming days.  She's fine now, but been out for a month.

That’s what I’m saying.
How can my vaxx card give me a free pass?
But it does.
Got a copy laminated. (Not doing the digital crap.)
But I can still catch it and spread it.
Hopefully just not have to go to the hospital.

What’s the Logic?