The current evidence does show that our vaccination status affects other around us so it is undeniable that our vaccination choice affects our neighbors

Or be a boss like Trump and stare at the eclipse without protection, after being told not to.

What if Biden used reverse psychology and made an edict that no one was allowed to wear a mask, then all the Biden haters would do it just to spite Biden and the goal would be accomplished.

But seriously, I have been giving some thought to the (Human? American?) tendency to resist things for no other reason that it was something someone told us not to do or to do.  If you threw a dollar on the ground and said "EEF I demand you keep that dollar" I might leave the dollar just because you told me to do pick it up. (maybe because I don't want to show you have power over me? Is it all just a form of social competition?) I think this is one of the reasons why when you are studying people with sociology or psychology you try to not let them know you are doing so because if they are aware then their behavior may change. 

We don't like being told what to do and sometimes that is a benefit to us and sometimes that is a detriment to us. OSHA says we need a safety harness on the roof, we say "F you OSHA, don't tell me how to walk on a roof!" and at the same time some inventor hears people say it has to be done a certain way but rebels and thinks of a better way.

A sex offender or a multiple sex offender or someone who sexually asaualted, but got off cause they have a good lawyer who is vaxxed can enter a gym. A person with no criminal record who is unvaxxed cannot. And in some states, a male offender can now enter a womens restroom.

My age and health bracket has a very low risk of complications, yet im forced to vaxx. I got covid and was unvaxxed and was fine. No one at my work caught it from me either.

About spreading it, refer to prior post about ur firearms possibly being stolen and used for harm. Would u give up all firearms because the chance isnt 0% it wont happen? If u own or carry no firearms, then now its 0%. And remember, 1 has to catch covid 1st, in order to spread it.


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So you are saying that is false and the vaccine does actually completely prevent a vaccinated person from spreading the virus?

Its not about doing opposite just for the sake of it. People dont trust biden, the fake news, the gov agencies, a new vaxx in humans, etc...

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Actually I agree with the part of your statement that I quoted:
Not only is the vaccine more dangerous that the virus itself, but non-sterilizing means it turns you into a variant factory and puts everyone around you in danger.

Then there is the economic cost of when the vaccinated start dropping like flies. We are already experiencing this in the supply chain shortage and it's about to get a whole lot worse.

Soon the vaccinated are going to clog the emergency rooms and morgues, and then we are going to have to figure out how to get along with a drastically reduced population. Eventually the die off will mean that places with high vaccination rates will be overrun immigrants from the 3rd world where nobody got vaxxed. So yes, your vaccination status does effect others around you.
You literally destroyed Western Civilization because you chose to "listen to the experts" instead of doing your own research.

Sorry but this is where covid vaccine hesitancy goes from reasonable and rational to crazy conspiracy territory. There is no credible evidence this is going to happen, this is fear mongering just as bad as some 30 year old vaccinated man wearing a mask when they have sex with their vaccinated wife.

Rightly you ask the question about what risk level justifies a restriction of rights and again this is a difficult line to draw. If Ebola was racing through the country with its 50% case fatality and we had a vaccine with similar success rates to combat it I think a lot more people would be on board with a vaccine mandate. Do you think there is any line at which point you saw some disease was too dangerous that you would agree with restricting the unvaccinated from going in public to do certain things? I don't even know where I would draw that line honestly.

Do we force the non infected to quarantine?  The answer is no.  Do we require proof of test that one is negative for Ebola?  No. Do we fire people because they don't have Ebola or even have it?  No.

There is no line to draw. If one chooses to not do X or Y because of Z event, then that's their choice. But don't stop others from doing it.  Concepts is everything.

So at this point, I say we agree to disagree. Like our views on red flags.  So we can leave it as that, because this will go in circles.  We already covered the Ebola thing many months ago.

I don't think you are sorry. You will be when you realize what they did to you and yours.

If your predictions come true then i'll let you have the last laugh.

Shall we check back in a year and see who was right?

Do we force the non infected to quarantine?  The answer is no.  Do we require proof of test that one is negative for Ebola?  No. Do we fire people because they don't have Ebola or even have it?  No.

There is no line to draw. If one chooses to not do X or Y because of Z event, then that's their choice. But don't stop others from doing it.  Concepts is everything.

So at this point, I say we agree to disagree. Like our views on red flags.  So we can leave it as that, because this will go in circles.  We already covered the Ebola thing many months ago.

If your predictions come true then i'll let you have the last laugh.

Shall we check back in a year and see who was right?

I suspect that a disease bad enough could come along where even you might draw a line, where the risk of an unvaccinated person could be so great that it would warrant forced vaccinations. Ebola was just an example people know. If it could be spread as easily as covid and undetected then it would be much much worse. Or maybe not, maybe you are hardcore and a disease that kills 100% and transmits easily could come through and you would still be against forced vaccinations?

I don't think we actually disagree though, I am strongly against government mandates for vaccination.

I suspect that a disease bad enough could come along where even you might draw a line, where the risk of an unvaccinated person could be so great that it would warrant forced vaccinations.

Faith in so-called authorities of science and modern medicine is now in serious jeopardy.

After killing so many people with MRNA it’s not likely there will every be another successful mass vaccination again, at least not in our lifetime. Faith in science and modern medicine is now in serious jeopardy.