I felt strongly enough that I emailed Magpul, Panteo Productions, Haley Strategic, Surefire, BCM, and Silencerco thanking them for pulling their ads from RECOIL and that I would support them (with the obvious exception of Silencerco...they'll have to wait till I move) by purchasing their products.  Anyone here gonna keep buying RECOIL?

http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2012/09/09/recoil-magazine-says-the-hk-mp7-is-too-dangerous-for-you/

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2012/09/10/recoil-magazine-squibs-then-kbs/

I just canceled my Nook subscription.   

I think he was thinking out of context when he wrote the article. Besides I believe
Criminals or the government should be able to have these either. Only
Law abiding citizens should bs able to. To keep the gov in check. But
Who am I to make up these rules? 

It comes with semi-automatic and full-auto firing modes only.

  Ok, what am I missing... it doesn't come with bolt action?

penetrate Soviet style body armor at more than 300 yards.

  Anyone else want to call bullshit on this?  Unless, of course, the Soviets (whoever THEY are these days) are still making body armor out of cardboard.

This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of.

  So, civvies are only allowed to own firearms for sporting purposes?  Personally, the majority of mine ARE owned for sporting purposes, but to state that I am not ALLOWED to own one for non-sporting purposes, like self defense?

I wish I had been a subscriber just so I could cancel my subscription.

I agree that he should not have stated about non owership of these types of weapons.  We already have the class 3 restriction in place to ensure these weapons are monitered.  This gun would of course be on this list.  But him saying that civilians should not own these guns opens the can of words to start encompassing many more guns.  That would be detrimental to all of us enthusiasts

wouldn't want that thingy made by HitlerKorp anyways

It's great that the american gun industry has to weed out people like that guy and the former cooper rifles CEO dan cooper or face the wrath of american gun owners.
HK on the other hand is not american and shares the same opinion as a lot of cops and all feds, they want to be the only ones with guns and raid whoever's house they want.

I think he was thinking out of context when he wrote the article.

I doubt it.  He clarified himself twice.  Seems to me, he wants to keep certain guns away from regular Joes.

I wish I had been a subscriber just so I could cancel my subscription.

I wish I had a magazine so I could make a youtube video of me shooting it up

wouldn't want that thingy made by HitlerKorp anyways

I probably wouldn't want it either (unless there was some .22lr conversion and the price was around the price of those .22 MP-5 lookalikes), but I disagree with the editor repeatedly referring to firearms needing a legitimate "sporting applications."  Whenever I insert my gun into my holster at home (just because I'm not allowed to carry it anywhere else), it HAS NO sporting application.  It is totally meant to put down scumbags (as Jerry Tsai stated about the MP7).

”…the MP71A is unavailable to civilians and for good measure. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of.”

So, the true colors always show, eventually. 

(From the link above) Like we mentioned before, the MP7A1 is unavailable to civilians and for good reason. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of. It is made to put down scumbags, and that’s it. Mike Cabrera of Heckler & Koch Law Enforcement Sales and veteran law enforcement officer with SWAT unit experience points out that this is a gun that you do not want in the wrong, slimy hands. It comes with semi-automatic and full-auto firing modes only. Its overall size places it between a handgun and submachine gun. Its assault rifle capabilities and small size make this a serious weapon that should not be taken lightly.

It might be unfair to quote a quote, and I don't have access to the original, but boy, it would seem damned hard to backpedal from a paragraph like that. 

I guess he never heard of Jim Zumbo.

And now I want one in my wrong, slimy hands, even though I'm a polished-walnut and blued-steel kind of guy.

Terry, 230RN

REF:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Zumbo

”…the MP71A is unavailable to civilians and for good measure. We all know that’s technology no civvies should ever get to lay their hands on. This is a purpose-built weapon with no sporting applications to speak of."

I usually don't really have any want for such a weapon, but by just reading the quoted text makes me want to own one. Just to piss big bro off.

Too bad that'll never happen in this state.

I emailed Surefire the other day, telling them I support their decision to pull their ads from RECOIL, and got a reply today...which included a coupon code for 40% off the next product under $500 that I purchase off their website. 

I feel like everyone's rage against RECOIL is a severe case of mob mentality. Everyone really needs to get off the rage bandwagon. Demand a REAL apology (not just, oh no you guys just misunderstood me), and pull your support. No need to keep on raging. The magazine only had 4 issues and probably not much more. Let it be a lesson learned and move on.

Basically, my opinion is that I think the level of rage in the entire gun community is not appropriate to the offense. Disappointed? Definitely. Rage? No. You'd think JT was some shining pillar of justice in the gun community that suddenly turned rogue on us, with the way everyone's reacting. But, no, the magazine is run by a bunch of non-gun people who are misled and shot their own foot and completely lost credibility as a gun magazine. Major companies have already pulled their funding, and a majority of them have expressed that they are willing to go back into business with them when RECOIL can prove they've got the right attitude. What amounts to irreparable damage is already done. No sense in continuing to kick them while they're already down, confused, and scared.

I wish someone would try to teach these fools, if anything. Gun rehab, if you will.

Recoil is what I consider a Tacticool magazine. It is full of high speed, low drag, black plastic and velcro. Looks like a lot of the hardware being shown has been around for a while. It is not a magazine I would buy. I'm not even sure if the staff are real shooters or have any credibility in the shooting world.

Jerry Tsai just announced that he is stepping down as editor of Recoil magazine.

I'm glad he did this and I hope the magazine will survive and be supportive of the 2A without exeption. I'll probably buy some future editions even though they're kind of pricey for what you get.

As a side note, this whole situation was an eye opener on how vindictive some gun owners are. If you follow some of the mainland boards, the mob mentality went from being angry at Jerry (total justified), but then went to being angry at companies who didn't stop advertising in Recoil fast enough. Last I've seen people were angry and threatening to boycott companies that did stop their advertisements, but didn't word their official positions harsh enough or to their satisfaction. Good grief. Let's not do the anti-gunners work for them. I'm sure the Brady bunch was sipping their mocha latte whatever drinks laughing at us eating up our own.

Note to self: If what you're doing will result in the same thing an anti-gun advocate wants, you might want to rethink what you're doing.

Jerry Tsai just announced that he is stepping down as editor of Recoil magazine.

I'm glad he did this and I hope the magazine will survive and be supportive of the 2A without exeption. I'll probably buy some future editions even though they're kind of pricey for what you get.

As a side note, this whole situation was an eye opener on how vindictive some gun owners are. If you follow some of the mainland boards, the mob mentality went from being angry at Jerry (total justified), but then went to being angry at companies who didn't stop advertising in Recoil fast enough. Last I've seen people were angry and threatening to boycott companies that did stop their advertisements, but didn't word their official positions harsh enough or to their satisfaction. Good grief. Let's not do the anti-gunners work for them. I'm sure the Brady bunch was sipping their mocha latte whatever drinks laughing at us eating up our own.

Note to self: If what you're doing will result in the same thing an anti-gun advocate wants, you might want to rethink what you're doing.

I think it shows a good stance - don't claim to be a big supporter when you are really backstabbing us.  Recoil  advertisers in general are serious about training, defense, and civilian firearm ownership in that there are few limits - and the whole "we don't want civvies to have it" argument doesn't fly with them.   I mean hell, some people here don't like the "offensive" nature of how I want to train and talk bad about us - go figure!

HK on the other hand is not american and shares the same opinion as a lot of cops and all feds, they want to be the only ones with guns and raid whoever's house they want.

That hurts man, I didnt know we all felt that way...

I don't think it should have gone as far as a resignation, though I think his "apology" was kind of watery.  As I said, it's damned hard to backtrack from the original statement which demonstrated an unclear undertanding of what the second amendment is all about --not an uncommon thing, after all, especially west of Nevada and east of the Rockies.

Zumbo more-or-less redeemed himself, although I haven't seen anything from him in American Rifleman after his gaffe.  He was "educated" into the true meaning of 2A, and now apparently stands foursquare for its principles, at least as far as I can tell.  I am of a forgiving nature, however, pursuant to some notion from somewhere about "casting the first stone."  Somebody help me out on that quote.

Hopefully that whole Zumbo affair was a wake-up call to the NRA "blued-steel-and-checkered-walnut" and "pricey-O/U-shotgun" segments of its Board of Directors.

And also hopefully, Tsai now "gets it," and might make an even better gun rag editor.

Maybe the "outrage" referred to was a little overdone, but a spanking was definitely necessary.  I have noted a tendency for pack behavior in some of the gun community (as in other communities).  Cleverly worded put-downs like the "You suck and we hate you" meme seem to develop a life of their own and are sometimes applied unfairly, reflexedly, without thought.

Terry, 230RN