Doug Chin, MDA, Kainoa Kaku, Kevin O'Grady, Avi Soefer will be the debaters.

I wanna see who is awarded as the Master Debater.

I wanna see who is awarded as the Master Debater.

That never gets old!

Doug Chin, MDA, Kainoa Kaku, Kevin O'Grady, Avi Soefer will be the debaters.

I wanna see who is awarded as the Master Debater.

who is avi soefer?

Is this an actual discussion to inform the public, or is this a means to get the anti-carry message out before polling begins?

I predict the latter, as polling will likely be used to try and influence the outcome.  If 60% of adults think CC will be bad for Hawaii, that might play with activist justices who pay attention to popular opinions on certain issues.

I'll watch to see what they are selling:  facts, or agendas.

who is avi soefer?

Maybe this guy?

https://www.law.hawaii.edu/personnel/soifer/aviam

who is avi soefer?

Former dean of uh law school.  He's been on past 2a debates with  on pbs and at uh law school.

See New York State Rifle & Pistol Association Inc. v. Bruen

I watched the debate.  It makes me sad that the antigun side used tired, worn-out talking points and phrases like:

Common Sense
I don't feel safe
I feel intimidated
I feel this is not who we are in Hawaii
The NRA is pushing for zero gun laws

The biggest "missed opportunity" is when Chen was talking about how Hawaii's strict gun laws keeps guns out of the "wrong hands," then not much longer says we don't have the background check system necessary to make sure only responsible people get to carry outside the home.

You can't have it both ways.  Either we already can keep guns out of the wrong hands, or we can't.  What new challenges does carrying a gun versus keeping it at home create when do background checks?  Makes no sense.

Then there was the "mass shooter" deflection.  If someone is going to commit mass murder, are they really going to follow firearm carry prohibitions?  How many mass shooters had legal concealed carry?  None of that makes sense.

The HRA rep did a very good job.  What disappointed me at the start is when one of the others couldn't answer, "Why does anyone need to carry a firearm outside the home?"  That should have been a totally anticipated question.  Eventually someone filled in the blank, but it absolutely made that guy look unprepared.

I remember the Peter Carlisle involved debate several years ago.  The moderator tonight did a fantastic job compared to that program's moderator.

Chin kept referring to 'feeling' this or that - typical liberal argument using 'feelings' instead of facts.

Chin kept referring to 'feeling' this or that - typical liberal argument using 'feelings' instead of facts.

His mannerisms reminded me of a teenager.  Silly grin, inflections on words to try and make them sound important when they weren't, and, yes, almost all of his arguments and points were about feelings and beliefs. 

And Mr. "I was in the Military" got on my nerves.  The entire "think about the consequences of taking a life,"  That's not relevant to the conversation at all.  It's an emotional plea.  Yeah, he can make the choice to be ready to take a life, so why does that mean I lose the right to also make that choice for myself.

I really do get tired of other people thinking they are protecting us from bad things by making decisions for us.  When it comes to the Second Amendment, I'm Pro Choice.  What government officials don't want is when they come knocking on your door for whatever reason, they don't want you to be as well armed as those who are there to force you to comply.

Doug chin = full of shit

His mannerisms reminded me of a teenager.  Silly grin, inflections on words to try and make them sound important when they weren't, and, yes, almost all of his arguments and points were about feelings and beliefs. 

And Mr. "I was in the Military" got on my nerves.  The entire "think about the consequences of taking a life,"  That's not relevant to the conversation at all.  It's an emotional plea.  Yeah, he can make the choice to be ready to take a life, so why does that mean I lose the right to also make that choice for myself.

I really do get tired of other people thinking they are protecting us from bad things by making decisions for us.  When it comes to the Second Amendment, I'm Pro Choice.  What government officials don't want is when they come knocking on your door for whatever reason, they don't want you to be as well armed as those who are there to force you to comply.

good thing no one here acts like that...

Chin kept referring to 'feeling' this or that - typical liberal argument using 'feelings' instead of facts.

I was getting irritated.  This guy keeps reminding me of the two faced people I would encounter in company meetings when I was still working.  Always deflecting.  Always non-committal.  Always talking like a coward with no convictions.  Afraid to step on toes.  Afraid that people will not like them.  F**king coward.

Doug chin = full of shit

Halleluiah Brother!!   No other words needed to describe this POS.

I was getting irritated.  This guy keeps reminding me of the two faced people I would encounter in company meetings when I was still working.  Always deflecting.  Always non-committal.  Always talking like a coward with no convictions.  Afraid to step on toes.  Afraid that people will not like them.  F**king coward.

Halleluiah Brother!!   No other words needed to describe this POS.

Thanks for saving me the of having to sit through it! I have better things to do with my time.

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Whenever Doug Chin was talking I was distracted by his teeth.

The debate was a waste of time, except for comments made by Kevin O'Grady. It should only include attorneys and judges, because this is a matter of law, and the correct interpretation of words in the Constitution, as well as the limits on what states can pass as laws. Most of the arguments on how the 2nd Amendment should be interpreted are based on people's opinions and not logic.
Let us pray that wisdom and calmness rule, because being on the side of Nikolas Cruz (alleged Parkland shooter) inflames legal discussions. His lawyers indicate the defendant's wish to plead guilty to all counts of murder. Smart move, but there could be trickery involved. Listen to Judge Elizabeth Scherer, who shows the right amount of wariness.
https://news.yahoo.com/hearing-set-abruptly-2018-florida-051041241.html

Here's some FYI incase people don't know.

Kainoa is the president of the Hawaii Rifle Association
Kevin is an attorney who works closely with Alan Beck and HIFICO. He also showed up to a few 2a rallies.  Alan doesn't show up to the rallies as much because he lives in CA. Kevin lives here.  But Alan did come and visit a few times. I gave him a ride to his hotel after a BBQ we had cause it was raining.

My $0.02

The anti side played on emotion a lot. Especially Chris who mentioned in almost every speaking chance that he is a veteran.  Well so are the other 2 guys on our side, and none used their status to draw emotion.  Which worked out for us because it helped squash his "i'm a veteran, so the military trained me to be an expert" type of reasoning.  With all his talk about being trained, you would think that he was a grunt or something. Turns out he's a helicopter pilot.  Per his companies website, he was awarded the Bronze Star.  For what, IDK.

Chin did what politicians do and didn't answer direct questions . Like when asked how many people are allowed to carry.   Kainoa had to interrupt and state none.  Then when someone brought up we don't know how many people apply for a carry license and get denied. Chin kept silent.  The AG releases an annual report that also goes back 10+ years of how many applied and got denied. As former AG, he knows this and kept silent.

I would recommend watching the debate because it's good to know how the anti side thinks.

I can't stand watching Chin's body language and facial expressions
I wonder if he practices talking that way or if it's just his natural way of talking.  if it is, it is really irritating.  seems like he's trying to convince us of his way of thinking through more expressive body language and facial expressions, bc the words themselves are not very convincing.  most of the time he doesn't answer the question, and just says how he feels, or how he thinks something should be.
his expressions just look very fake to me.  body language of a liar.  but maybe I'm reading too much into it bc I really don't like the guy.

when seconds count, the police are minutes away
better to have a gun in the hand than a cop on the phone
I'd rather have conceal carry, but if it goes open carry, I'm ready for that too