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DEROS

Scope 100-200 yards out
« on: October 17, 2021, 07:58:54 PM »
What magnification scope to use for 100-200yard shots with an AR15 16" barrel?

My son is saving up to buy a Burris RT-6 Riflescope 1-6x24mm.  I have only shot iron sights or CCO so I have no experience on what a good magnification would be.

Thanks for the input.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2021, 08:19:50 PM »
For medium to large targets, 4x - 9x ought to be fine.  For smaller targets, anything between 4x to 20x will be okay.

The diameter of the objective lens will also be a factor.  The larger the Objective lens, the better lit the target as well as clearer the image.

That Burris looks like a lot of "scopes" for the money.  And the Amazon reviews are very positive, too.

With our range limited to 100 yds, I think that scope would exceed expectations. 
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ren

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2021, 09:18:16 PM »
irons all the way to 600
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eyeeatingfish

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2021, 10:45:06 PM »
One thing to consider is eye sight. If it isn't so great or there are certain problems then a magnified optic is helpful. But good iron sights should be able to get decent groups out to 100 easily.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2021, 07:16:44 AM »
I used to be good with iron sights out to 300 yards.

Not anymore.  Eyes are getting messed up.  I have so many "floaters" it's irritating. :(

edited to add:  I have a Vortex Crossfire 4-7X32MM scope on my Mossberg MVP 16" bolt rifle.  It's pretty good for KHSC at 100 yards.  Seeing the bullet holes is another story, though.
« Last Edit: October 18, 2021, 09:19:05 AM by QUIETShooter »
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drck1000

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2021, 07:36:30 AM »
Quote from: DEROS on October 17, 2021, 07:58:54 PM
What magnification scope to use for 100-200yard shots with an AR15 16" barrel?

My son is saving up to buy a Burris RT-6 Riflescope 1-6x24mm.  I have only shot iron sights or CCO so I have no experience on what a good magnification would be.

Thanks for the input.
Depends what the intended use and/or target size (like FJ mentioned below).  For me, AR at 100-200 yard shots are generally 1x RDS (or irons).  That's for general target shooting/plinking and (relatively) quick target acquisition on say at 12" wide x 16" tall target.  Say I wanted some magnification for target ID, more precision/smaller target, etc.  I use a 1-8 LPVO.  I've shot 1-4 and 1-6s and I think those would be great for out to 200 yards as well. 

Another aspect of magnification to consider is field of view.  Not sure what your interests are, but my buddies who hunt often shoot on lower powers for increased field of view.  I don't hunt or notice that aspect much with my LPVO and 100-200 yards, but just thought I would mention.
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stangzilla

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2021, 09:15:03 AM »
Quote from: DEROS on October 17, 2021, 07:58:54 PM
What magnification scope to use for 100-200yard shots with an AR15 16" barrel?

My son is saving up to buy a Burris RT-6 Riflescope 1-6x24mm.  I have only shot iron sights or CCO so I have no experience on what a good magnification would be.

Thanks for the input.

1-6 should be enough for 100-200 yards
I've never shot with a Burris optic before, so I'm not sure the clarity or reticle or function of optic, etc
if its going to be a HD AR, then maybe a 1x holo sight or similar reflex sight might be a good option for fast target acqusition at close quarters.  but if you are going to shoot 100+ yards, maybe a LPVO might be a good option to go to distance and still be able to go down to 1x for up close
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DEROS

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2021, 09:22:51 AM »
Quote from: stangzilla on October 18, 2021, 09:15:03 AM
1-6 should be enough for 100-200 yards
I've never shot with a Burris optic before, so I'm not sure the clarity or reticle or function of optic, etc
if its going to be a HD AR, then maybe a 1x holo sight or similar reflex sight might be a good option for fast target acqusition at close quarters.  but if you are going to shoot 100+ yards, maybe a LPVO might be a good option to go to distance and still be able to go down to 1x for up close
My son plays a video game that apparently uses the Burris scope.  The only brand name I now is Busnell.  That’s because they advertise like crazy.


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drck1000

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2021, 09:26:35 AM »
Quote from: stangzilla on October 18, 2021, 09:15:03 AM
1-6 should be enough for 100-200 yards
I've never shot with a Burris optic before, so I'm not sure the clarity or reticle or function of optic, etc
if its going to be a HD AR, then maybe a 1x holo sight or similar reflex sight might be a good option for fast target acqusition at close quarters.  but if you are going to shoot 100+ yards, maybe a LPVO might be a good option to go to distance and still be able to go down to 1x for up close
I've shot with a couple of different Burris scopes, including a couple of LPVOs.  Not sure which model though.  Seemed decent.  It was on a couple of ARs and 10/22s. 
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drck1000

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2021, 09:29:17 AM »
Quote from: DEROS on October 18, 2021, 09:22:51 AM
My son plays a video game that apparently uses the Burris scope.  The only brand name I now is Busnell.  That’s because they advertise like crazy.


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Might as well get a SCAR then. . .
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ren

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2021, 09:33:38 AM »
there's quite a bit of talk about LPVOs since the Army adopted several for their DMRs
one I am looking at is this: https://vortexoptics.com/vortex-viper-pst-gen-2-1-6x24-riflescope.html
I currently have an ACOG TA31 but I find the quirks of having a prism sight i.e. short eye relief, distortion at close range
Here's a good overview of LPVOs vs red dots
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DEROS

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2021, 10:52:11 AM »
Quote from: ren on October 17, 2021, 09:18:16 PM
irons all the way to 600
Wow 600 yards with iron.  At 300 the post already hides the body.  I could just imagine what 600 would look like.  I never tried shooting anyone that far away.


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zippz

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2021, 12:35:33 PM »
Depends on what type of shooting you plan on doing as everything has advantages and disadvantages.  Low power variable optics, the 1x-6x, sounds like a good fit for your 100 to 200 yard shooting.  Those are popular nowadays and the jack of all trades, master of none, optic.  CCO's or 1x optics are the best at close quarters, variable shooting positions, low light, and other scenarios (shooting with a gas mask, shoot on the move, etc).  High magnified optics are good at precision and target identification at long distances, but suck in low light, slower to get on target, have a narrow field of view, and usually used in prone or supported positions.  LPVO's are in the middle of the two.

Iron sights can be shot well at long distances.  However it requires considerably more skill and good eyesight.  Also clearly defined targets.
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aaronc5362

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2021, 03:33:35 PM »
I've used a 3-9 accupoint and 1-4 nxs. The 1-4 I was shooting those old deers on the rightside of kokohead. Iirc it was 200-260 yards?

To hit the 430ish yard gong I had to use the accupoint. My friends could use the acog but they all wore glasses so their eyesight is prob better than mine. I may have hit it with a ta31 (their cogs) but I really dont remember. But being a stationary target we knew where to look at. Now if you told me to find a hog or person walking a line in that distance, I need a 9x power scope minimum.

Forget the lpvo. Get a 3x or 4x cog and offset rds. Could be cheaper or more expensive depending what you get in the end. But I can almost guarantee you it may be lightee than a lpvo set up
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2021, 04:05:16 PM »
My Mosin-Nagants (91/30 and M44) were all set on 200 meters out of the box -- well, after getting all the cosmoline off!

We were still able to shoot at those steel targets on the right at KHSC as aaronc5362 mentioned.  We were hitting the 220-240 targets 4 out of 5 times with the iron sights.

Made me appreciate Russian manufacturing a bit more, doing that with guns that sat in crates for over half a century!
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DocMercy

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #15 on: October 19, 2021, 07:47:38 AM »
Just follow the advice of GunBlue490, an old timer with a lot of useful advice.



His main theme is "Less is More." So, ideally, a 1.5x-5x magnification with an objective lens of 24mm (or less) is fine. However, he is as talkative as Paul Harrell, which means you need to listen for a long time to extract the information you need.

Even when you narrow down the range of magnification, you are confronted by reticle choice, manufacturer, mounting height, eye relief, rail slope, etc. As a newb who is going through the buying process, I would say that the process of narrowing down your pick is 10x harder than choosing a rifle. I had an opportunity recently to purchase a new old stock Nikon Prostaff 7 spec'd at 2.5-10x, 30 mm barrel, 42mm objective for $240. Optics are crystal clear, and this beats anything from Bushnell in the under $400 price range. It's a shame that Nikon got out of the business, but to compete in the sub-$500 market, they needed to move some production to China, and rubber compounds produced in that nation tend to self-destruct. A leaky O-ring can lead to fogging inside a scope.
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stangzilla

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #16 on: October 22, 2021, 01:34:45 PM »
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poke

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2021, 01:40:35 PM »
I just so happen to have a new Burris RT-6 that I'm selling for a good price, if you're interested. Also, having looked through many scopes, the RT-6 glass is the best under the $600 price range (vortex viper is slightly better, but not by much).

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=42984.0
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poke

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #18 on: October 22, 2021, 01:44:31 PM »
Quote from: poke on October 22, 2021, 01:40:35 PM
I just so happen to have a new Burris RT-6 that I'm selling for a good price, if you're interested. Also, having looked through many scopes including the strike eagle and primary arms 1-6x, the RT-6 glass is the best under the $600 price range (vortex viper is slightly better, but not by much).

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=42984.0
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drck1000

Re: Scope 100-200 yards out
« Reply #19 on: October 22, 2021, 02:25:22 PM »
Quote from: DocMercy on October 19, 2021, 07:47:38 AM
Just follow the advice of GunBlue490, an old timer with a lot of useful advice.

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His main theme is "Less is More." So, ideally, a 1.5x-5x magnification with an objective lens of 24mm (or less) is fine. However, he is as talkative as Paul Harrell, which means you need to listen for a long time to extract the information you need.

Even when you narrow down the range of magnification, you are confronted by reticle choice, manufacturer, mounting height, eye relief, rail slope, etc. As a newb who is going through the buying process, I would say that the process of narrowing down your pick is 10x harder than choosing a rifle. I had an opportunity recently to purchase a new old stock Nikon Prostaff 7 spec'd at 2.5-10x, 30 mm barrel, 42mm objective for $240. Optics are crystal clear, and this beats anything from Bushnell in the under $400 price range. It's a shame that Nikon got out of the business, but to compete in the sub-$500 market, they needed to move some production to China, and rubber compounds produced in that nation tend to self-destruct. A leaky O-ring can lead to fogging inside a scope.
OMG, watching that guy is worse than NuthinFancy. 

I didn't watch it all (too damn long), but his feedback, while based on what seems to be decades of experience, it focused on hunting. 

While I agree that there are lots of choices these days, once you have an intended purpose/use and a price range, I've found that my choices get narrowed down pretty easily.  To me, the tough choices are often choosing between say a handful of options once I've narrowed things down, but in most of those cases, it's usually a can't go wrong with either type of decision. 
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