Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone (Read 39288 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #160 on: January 20, 2023, 12:50:47 PM »
Baldwin's attorney stated that Alec relied on professionals on the set to ensure the gun was unloaded.  But Alec was not only an actor on the set, he was the producer also.

As a producer, I think one would know the protocols of firearm safety on your set.  The armorer was not present and the one who stated the gun was "cold" (meaning safe) was not a qualified person to declare that.

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How many movies and shows has Baldwin appeared in where he handled guns?  Quite a few if memory serves.

Given that, he's experienced in what other sets and armorers do to keep the guns safe for the users.  He's been an actor for decades.  He has to know that the people in charge need to take their prop guns and ammo more seriously than other props.

He can't say "I relied on professionals to keep us safe," and have that be the end of the discussion.  The people responsible for everyone's safety -- the producers and directors -- have a duty to make sure everyone knows the rules and follows them.  A gunsmith who manages the props and locks them up when not in use isn't going to be running onto set before every take to verify a gun is safe for that scene.

One big question is why someone OTHER THAN THE GUNSMITH handed Baldwin that firearm.  That alone shows Baldwin's assertion that his professionals would keep them safe lacked any control over the guns.  I see it as a chain of custody issue.  Can't blame the gunsmith if someone else handed him the gun, can you? 

I don't think Baldwin has fully explained what happened, and I believe he lied about not pulling the trigger in order to dodge responsibility.  He needs to be charged criminally, or else this is bound to happen again.  If not with him, with the next production that sees minor consequences should someone get killed by a negligent actor holding a firearm.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #161 on: January 20, 2023, 01:20:15 PM »
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #162 on: January 20, 2023, 05:30:25 PM »
Looks like Rust will continue to be made into a movie.
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hvybarrels

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #163 on: January 20, 2023, 06:46:51 PM »
All he had to do was act like someone with a functional conscience for a few months and they probably would have let him skate,

How much fire can a ceasefire cease if a ceasefire never ceased fire?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #164 on: April 21, 2023, 01:02:38 PM »
All he had to do was act like someone with a functional conscience for a few months and they probably would have let him skate,

When you're a long time Hollyweird celeb, you can commit murder in front of witnesses and skate.

Alec Baldwin's criminal charges for fatal
'Rust' shooting to be dropped: lawyers

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Criminal charges against Alec Baldwin are expected to be dropped in the October 2021
fatal shooting of "Rust" cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, the actor's lawyers told Fox
News Digital.

"We are pleased with the decision to dismiss the case against Alec Baldwin and encourage
a proper investigation into the facts and circumstances of this tragic incident," attorneys
Luke Nikas and Alex Spiro said in a statement.

The Santa Fe District Attorney's Office didn't immediately respond to Fox News Digital's
request for comment.

Baldwin, 64, will see the two counts of involuntary manslaughter against him dropped,
his lawyers said.
https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/alec-baldwin-criminal-charges-fatal-rust-shooting-dropped-lawyers

I'm not surprised, just disappointed.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #165 on: April 21, 2023, 01:08:26 PM »
Alec rallies for anti gun measures and then kills someone with a gun - and gets away with it. Only in Hollywood, home of the most overpaid, hedonistic, unskilled people of this country.
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QUIETShooter

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #166 on: April 21, 2023, 01:40:04 PM »
I’m also disappointed.  Pretty sure if it was the average joe it would be different.

Sad day for justice for the victims.

Something about new evidence that the gun was altered to fire without pressing the trigger?  I thought the gun was examined already.  WTF?????
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

RSN172

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #167 on: April 21, 2023, 04:56:35 PM »
Why do they even have real firearms on the set in the first place? With numerous airsoft clones available,  there is no reason to use a real firearm as a prop gun.
Happily living in Puna

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #168 on: April 21, 2023, 07:37:28 PM »
Why do they even have real firearms on the set in the first place? With numerous airsoft clones available,  there is no reason to use a real firearm as a prop gun.

They have realistic clones of Old West revolvers?
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

RSN172

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #169 on: April 22, 2023, 06:52:36 AM »
They have realistic clones of Old West revolvers?
Ok. Probably not but a prop gun should be modified so it cannot shoot live ammo.  In any case, if these gun hating Hollywood types would take the time to learn about guns, this would have never happened.
Happily living in Puna

QUIETShooter

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #170 on: April 22, 2023, 07:16:33 AM »
Alec Baldwin needs to be held accountable.

He can't just skate away with this.

He was the producer.  He was more than just an actor that just does his lines, does what they say and is done with it.

A producer is accountable for everything that happens on the set.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #171 on: April 22, 2023, 09:16:32 AM »
three rules,
#1 All guns are loaded
#2 Keep your finger off the trigger
# 3 Never aim at anything you don't want to destroy
 :geekdanc:

RSN172

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #172 on: April 22, 2023, 10:00:04 AM »
three rules,
#1 All guns are loaded
#2 Keep your finger off the trigger
# 3 Never aim at anything you don't want to destroy
 :geekdanc:

Anti 2A idiots believe:
1. Gun is unloaded unless you loaded it.
2. Your finger should be on the trigger when holding the gun.
3. It is ok to point it at anything as long as you don’t pull the trigger.
Happily living in Puna

rpoL98

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #173 on: April 22, 2023, 10:49:30 AM »
I wonder if they're still going after that amateur movie-set armorer, whatever her name is.

just amazing that he didn't get charged with negligent manslaughter.  just wow.   ???

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #174 on: June 23, 2023, 02:05:46 PM »
I wonder if they're still going after that amateur movie-set armorer, whatever her name is.

just amazing that he didn't get charged with negligent manslaughter.  just wow.   ???

There is an update:

'Rust' Armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed Facing New Charge
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Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, the armorer of the film Rust, was hit with an additional charge
of tampering with evidence. In an amended complaint, prosecutors said that Reed
transferred narcotics to another person "with the intent to prevent the apprehension,
prosecution, or conviction of herself."
...
Prosecutors allege that Reed was hungover when she inadvertently loaded the gun
used by Alec Baldwin with live ammunition. Baldwin was practicing a cross-draw inside
a church when the revolver fired, with a bullet striking Hutchins and the film's director
Joel Souza.

Baldwin was also charged with involuntary manslaughter, but prosecutors dropped
those charges against him. However, officials have not ruled out refiling the charges
as the investigation into the on-set shooting continues.
https://www.iheart.com/content/2023-06-23-rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-facing-new-charge/?mid=1106775&rid=98839342&sc=email&pname=newsletter&cid=NATIONAL&keyid=National%20iHeart%20Daily%20NewsTalk&campid=headline3_readmore

I assume the statute of limitations is not a concern.  They are approaching 2 years since the death.  At some point, the lesser charges below murder and manslaughter will not be viable options as long as the individual hasn't left the state. 

When a person under investigation leaves the state, the clock is reset and restarts when they re-enter the state (say, due to extradition).  So, Baldwin, by leaving the jurisdiction, isn't doing himself any good related to time limitations if he's eventually charged.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

ren

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #175 on: June 23, 2023, 02:15:31 PM »
I don't know how they can continue filming this movie without any conscious. Oh yeah its Hollywood. Its all about "me" in this case Baldwin
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #176 on: June 23, 2023, 02:28:26 PM »
I don't know how they can continue filming this movie without any conscious. Oh yeah its Hollywood. Its all about "me" in this case Baldwin

To pay the actors and investors, they need to produce a final movie.  Otherwise, the investment money used to produce it would have been for nothing.

i'm not as worried about actors like Baldwin with his fortune, but the lesser known actors in the movie will have no income from their efforts other than SAG wages.  Should all the investors be out their capital because of Baldwin?

Many movies were released after tragic deaths during filming.  The Crow comes to mind.  Lee died in 1993, and the movie was released in 1994.  It cost $23M to make and grossed $50,6M worldwide -- $11M the first weekend.

The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #177 on: June 23, 2023, 09:15:59 PM »
To pay the actors and investors, they need to produce a final movie.  Otherwise, the investment money used to produce it would have been for nothing.

i'm not as worried about actors like Baldwin with his fortune, but the lesser known actors in the movie will have no income from their efforts other than SAG wages.  Should all the investors be out their capital because of Baldwin?

Many movies were released after tragic deaths during filming.  The Crow comes to mind.  Lee died in 1993, and the movie was released in 1994.  It cost $23M to make and grossed $50,6M worldwide -- $11M the first weekend.
Don't forget Twilight zone.
Helicopter crashed  on three people.
One was the one of the stars. Vic Morrow.
Guns weren't used buy fireworks were.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #178 on: June 23, 2023, 09:24:13 PM »
Don't forget Twilight zone.
Helicopter crashed  on three people.
One was the one of the stars. Vic Morrow.
Guns weren't used buy fireworks were.
Vic Morrow was Jennifer Jason Leigh's father.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

macsak

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #179 on: September 10, 2023, 11:09:05 AM »