Greg Gutfield's response is spot on. If it was a police officer, Alec's Twitter would be on fire blaming the police officer and guns.

There are very strict protocols in place precisely because of the Brandon Lee incident. Experienced prop masters and armorers do not mess around. There is something very wrong about this case, and we just have to wait for the investigation to find out. Apparently earlier in the day some of the crew walked out over safety conditions.

Hollywood’s safety record has been going down the tubes because the studios are losing money with their woke garbage and corporate commie brainwashing, so they try to make it up by screwing it out of the crew. I’m sad that IATSE did not strike in the recent negotiation because you know whatever agreement they came up with will be in bad faith and the producers will double back and crew members will keep getting injured and killed as soon as it’s convenient.

I guess that’s part of the hazard of holding your nose in order to accept paychecks from a culture of rapists, child molesters, and their enablers.

I thought most of these stage guns had a blocked barrel so an actual bullet shouldn't even be able to go down the barrel... I wonder if the barrel obstructor came loose over time and shot out?

I remember in a stage combat class I took in college they covered using guns in acting. They said even if blanks were being used you should aim the gun off to the side of the actor just in case.

Prop guns come in a variety of types.  They might be actual toy guns with parts painted, removed or added to make them more realistic.  Some are airsoft and BB type, since many of them are almost identical in appearance to the real thing.  Then there are the actual firearms.  Sometimes they use starter pistols when the design isn't important.  Most often though they use firearms with blanks to provide realism with sound, smoke and a little recoil. 

What I read about Lee's accident is there was a piece of a cartridge still in the barrel from a previous blank round.  The gases and wadding of the next round pushed that out as a projectile and into Lee's skull where he was pointing it.

The prop managers are supposed to have a procedure to make sure more than one person checks and rechecks the guns on set for safety.  Since we don't have the answer to what really happened, we have no way to know who screwed up.  For all we know, someone hates someone on that set and replaced a blank with a live round.  Or they asked an intern to load it who can't tell a blank from a live round.

All we do know is they were rehearsing or filming a scene with people standing directly in front of Baldwin's gun as he fired. 

My big question is:  if he was shooting a scene (or rehearsing) why did someone other than another actor get killed?  If Baldwin was aiming the gun at whoever the script said to point it at, shouldn't they have been more likely to be hit instead? 

Need way more info before pointing fingers.  I think the prop guys can only take safety so far.  The actors, director and stunt professionals ought to take a minute to ensure guns aren't being pointed at the crew at anytime.  Basic firearm safety.

My big question is:  if he was shooting a scene (or rehearsing) why did someone other than another actor get killed?  If Baldwin was aiming the gun at whoever the script said to point it at, shouldn't they have been more likely to be hit instead? 

Actor was probably facing towards the camera and crew. Something like this:

This discussion says it was a live round, and the 911 caller blamed an assistant director for the weapon being loaded.

surprised no one posted this yet
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

Lead armorer was a 24yo who admitted that she probably did not have enough experience for top job.

ADs should not be handling guns, just actors and props team. Union rules.

Set was unsafe and sounds like they were rushing and playing fast and loose with the rules per typical Hollywood style these days

surprised no one posted this yet
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/business/story/2021-10-22/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set

Thanks for posting this.  Interesting that the article mentioned that the crew usually retreats to a "video village" and through monitors view the action from a distance.

At the time of the incident, the crew members were still adjusting their camera angles, which would suggest that they weren't "ready" to start filming yet.

So why the hell was Alec f**king around with the gun when they weren't ready yet?  Was he practicing?  Did they tell him to go through the moves so they can tweak the camera angles?

Man, this is so messed up.  But very obvious that safety was not the top priority for some time there prior to the tragedy.

Enjoy!

NY Post article indicates that Baldwin should be very worried, as he was the executive producer of the movie.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwin-could-face-liability-in-shooting-of-halyna-hutchins-legal-experts/

"New Mexico criminal attorney Erlinda Johnson, a former state and federal prosecutor said the “Beetlejuice” actor could face possible criminal liability for involuntary manslaughter."

If the movie were made in Hawaii, then I guarantee you that the attorney general of this state would have requested the police to take Baldwin into custody and charge him with negligent homicide. He needs an attorney with the stature of Kevin O'Grady. All of the lawyers Baldwin has on speed-dial are not going to do him any good unless they are licensed to practice in New Mexico.

NY Post article indicates that Baldwin should be very worried, as he was the executive producer of the movie.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/23/alec-baldwin-could-face-liability-in-shooting-of-halyna-hutchins-legal-experts/

"New Mexico criminal attorney Erlinda Johnson, a former state and federal prosecutor said the “Beetlejuice” actor could face possible criminal liability for involuntary manslaughter."

If the movie were made in Hawaii, then I guarantee you that the attorney general of this state would have requested the police to take Baldwin into custody and charge him with negligent homicide. He needs an attorney with the stature of Kevin O'Grady. All of the lawyers Baldwin has on speed-dial are not going to do him any good unless they are licensed to practice in New Mexico.

I don't believe he will be prosecuted for anything. This guy was the poster boy for everything anti-Trump. If this happened in Hawaii it would've been swept under the carpet.

So, there were safety issues on the set that many of the crew reported.

Lots of people walked away from the set because of safety concerns.

Other crew members were brought in to fill in for the walk-out.

I wonder if one of the disgruntled crew caused the gun to be loaded incorrectly as revenge or to make a point about lax safety.

Hmmmm ......   

I wonder if one of the disgruntled crew caused the gun to be loaded incorrectly as revenge or to make a point about lax safety.

Hmmmm ......   

I started to think the same thing.  And if indeed this is the case, I wonder how the disgruntled crew member(s) feel now that this tragedy happened.

I think eventually Heads will roll......from the producer all the way down to the armorer.

And if not, then the swamp in Hollywood is as deep and corrupt as the swamp in Washington D.C.

I wonder if one of the disgruntled crew caused the gun to be loaded incorrectly as revenge or to make a point about lax safety.

Hmmmm ......   

I sincerely doubt it. Crew members regularly rescue each other from hazards by pointing out and addressing safety issues before they become a problem. It’s often dangerous work and the person you saved from a possibly life threatening situation may return the favor some day. The kind of people who put other crew members lives in jeopardy do not get called back.

Above-the-line people are more likely to think and act like predators and psychopaths. Their bad behavior gets swept under the rug and even encouraged as long as the are making lots of money.

I had another possible explanation. Maybe someone used real bullets as prop bullets, you know like how a cowboy belt shows the bullets in the little loops. Maybe someone put one of those in the guns figuring they were just prop bullets and harmless? I still can't even imagine why a prop armorer would have any live rounds on a movie set at all.

I do remember an old story of some actor pretending to shoot himself with a blank but there was so much pressure from the blank that when the gun was pressed up against his head it was enough to kill him still. Doesn't sound like that in this case so I think it either was a live round or some sort of barrel obstruction that shot out from the blank. Maybe someone plugged the barrel with a rock on accident?

There are professional weapons handlers in the prop department to make sure all firearms used are safe.

Until there isn''t.

When Brandon Scott Lee died, he was shot in the abdomen with a .44.  The bullet lodged in his spine  It was during the final weeks of filming, and supposedly the weapons expert had already left.  They still needed to film the scene where Lee's character was murdered, and someone else loaded the gun with a live round.

There was a theory that part of a "dummy bullet" was lodged in the barrel, and a blank turned it into a projectile.  Dummy bullets have no powder or primer, and are used for close-ups when they want it to appear as if the gun is loaded with real ammo.  Then the dummy bullets are replaced with blanks for any shooting sequences.  Experts have said that's highly unlikely if they were using well-made dummies.  But, since the last weeks were hurried and the expert wasn't there, it's possible someone tried to create dummies and didn't do a good job -- meaning there could have been a "squib" type bullet head in the barrel if the dummy bullet separated. 

There's no direct evidence of a squibbed dummy bullet, and I imagine they would have examined the firearm and determined if the round fired was a blank or not, so why this theory still exists is puzzling to me.  I could see someone making up a theory to avoid being blamed for loading the live round.

This accident will likely follow a similar path.  Lots of questions, incomplete and inconsistent answers, but no definite conclusions.  Baldwin is rich, famous, and a woke-sounding Democrat.  Somebody will shield him (ala Jussie and Kamala).

These Hollywood anti gun nuts break every gun safety rule ever devised, yet they lecture us on how “bad” we are.

Nothing going to happen to him. The lowest paid person on the set is going to get the blame. They will use this to spread anti gun propaganda for you and me, and not the actual responsible.

That’s how this will play out.

Just saying.

Enjoy!

Sounds like that set was a real nightmare. I agree with Heavies. They were so cheap that they rushed the safety protocols and now will say that guns are not safe for anyone.

https://www.rt.com/usa/538317-baldwin-shooting-armorer-rust/