Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone (Read 39319 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #140 on: January 03, 2022, 12:42:21 PM »
Why you going to make a reply like that?  Don’t troll

Sorry. 

Since you asked "why?" ...  I was responding that way, because he's been commenting on many threads similarly.  His reply is as if he was answering a poll question -- simply stating a "for or against" opinion with no context or explanation.

I was trying to make the point that without more to the comment, the post was basically meaningless.  It added nothing to the discussion.  It's nice that he has an opinion, but just posting, "I would say not," doesn't say much at all.

I apologize that it was more trollish than it should have been.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Heavies

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #141 on: January 03, 2022, 12:48:41 PM »
Sorry. 

Since you asked "why?" ...  I was responding that way, because he's been commenting on many threads similarly.  His reply is as if he was answering a poll question -- simply stating a "for or against" opinion with no context or explanation.

I was trying to make the point that without more to the comment, the post was basically meaningless.  It added nothing to the discussion.  It's nice that he has an opinion, but just posting, "I would say not," doesn't say much at all.

I apologize that it was more trollish than it should have been.

A question was asked. It was answered simply. Many here do this same thing.

I’ve already had to can a person for trolling other members, even when they don’t respond to that person. I’d be a hypocrite if I didn’t hold everyone to that same standard.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #142 on: January 03, 2022, 12:53:13 PM »
A question was asked. It was answered simply. Many here do this same thing.

I’ve already had to can a person for trolling other members, even when they don’t respond to that person. I’d be a hypocrite if I didn’t hold everyone to that same standard.

Understood.

I appreciate the fair warning.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

groveler

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #143 on: January 03, 2022, 02:20:43 PM »
I wouldn't go with the annoying "Am I being detained, or am I free to go?" tirade.  I'd just tell them I'm willing to cooperate and answer all of their questions, but I'd like to consult my attorney and have them present before I say anything.

If you already gave them a vague statement, like "This stranger threatened me with that knife, and I shot him in self defense," that's all you need to say at the scene.  Save the details for when your lawyer gets with you.

If you just shot someone, I don't think saying "Am I being detained?" is a very intelligent question for you to ask!   :rofl:
I know that is an annoying "tirade".  But when you are in trouble never lie or talk to cops other than in irritating "Legalese".
Keep in mind you are innocent until proven guilty.
Their job is to enforce the law, not befriend you.

They befriended Alec.  I don't think you or I would have received the same "gentle" treatment.

Inspector

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #144 on: January 03, 2022, 02:41:11 PM »
The training classes I have taken were very clear about this. They told us to say:

I want to cooperate and I will cooperate with the police. But not until I speak to an attorney.

Then shut up and don’t say another word.
SCIENCE THAT CAN’T BE QUESTIONED IS PROPAGANDA!!!

changemyoil66

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #145 on: April 20, 2022, 12:00:28 PM »
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/rust-armorer-hannah-gutierrez-reed-184341704.html

OSHA sites violations by the production, not the armorer.

ren

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #146 on: August 13, 2022, 02:32:19 PM »
Deeds Not Words

QUIETShooter

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #147 on: August 13, 2022, 02:42:47 PM »
Alec Baldwin in a wonderful Human Being.


{sarcasm}  (For those who immediately said "Whut?!?")
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #148 on: August 14, 2022, 09:02:07 PM »
I was always taught
" don't  aim at anything you don't want to destroy"
Where is all the Hollywood magic?
Man should be charged with manslaughter.
You or I would be.
Let the Widower carry out the sentence.
Run motherfucker!
 :love:




.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #149 on: January 19, 2023, 11:29:59 AM »
Alec Baldwin and armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed are being charged
with two counts of involuntary manslaughter in the shooting death of
cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the set of the movie Rust on
October 21, 2021.

Quote
"If any one of these three people—Alec Baldwin, Hannah Gutierrez Reed, or
David Halls—had done their job, Halyna Hutchins would be alive today. It's
that simple."
Quote
Assistant director David Halls, who told Baldwin the gun was not loaded, agreed
 to plead guilty to negligent use of a deadly weapon.

https://www.iheart.com/content/2023-01-19-alec-baldwin-charged-in-fatal-shooting-on-rust-movie-set/?mid=1016859&rid=98839342&sc=email&pname=newsletter&cid=NATIONAL&keyid=National%20iHeart%20Daily%20NewsTalk&campid=headline2_readmore
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #150 on: January 19, 2023, 11:44:33 AM »
I wonder what the filming SOP is for semi auto firearms?  Like will each actor load their own mags with blanks to insure that only a blank is loaded?  Since they are the ones who pull the trigger and can be held liable if a real round is loaded.

This is much easier to do with a revolver.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #151 on: January 19, 2023, 12:31:47 PM »
I wonder what the filming SOP is for semi auto firearms?  Like will each actor load their own mags with blanks to insure that only a blank is loaded?  Since they are the ones who pull the trigger and can be held liable if a real round is loaded.

This is much easier to do with a revolver.

Most reputable gunsmiths on set will have a system to keep all arms and ammo locked up to prevent tampering/accidents.

In the case of ammo, almost all will prohibit live ammo anywhere near the set to avoid the slightest possibility of a live round winding up where it shouldn't.

Furthermore, it's common knowledge that a blank round can injure or kill if it's fired in the right spot on a person at the right (close) range.  Blanks use a wadding to keep the load in the cartridge, and that wadding becomes a projectile.  Knowing this, many scenes are shot in segments that remove people from in front of the firearm when it's fired out of an abundance of caution.

You can do everything right, and still have an accident.  By incorporating safety rules, like never point a gun at anyone/anything you don't intend to destroy, you can avoid catastrophic outcomes when accidents occur.

The people running the production of Rust were careless, and someone died.  There doesn't have to be an SOP to prevent this from happening.  Just common sense gun safety rules.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

randay

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #152 on: January 19, 2023, 01:11:09 PM »
man this is gonna make a GREAT movie!

ren

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #153 on: January 19, 2023, 05:35:40 PM »
I don't think he should be criminally charged.  He was supposedlly handed a gun with blank ammo. He was not. If you went to get your car brakes fixed, paid for the service, drove off and failed to stop at an intersection and accidentally killed someone - who's fault is that?
Deeds Not Words

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #154 on: January 19, 2023, 07:31:03 PM »
I don't think he should be criminally charged.  He was supposedlly handed a gun with blank ammo. He was not. If you went to get your car brakes fixed, paid for the service, drove off and failed to stop at an intersection and accidentally killed someone - who's fault is that?

At least 3 people handled the gun before it was fired.  No way to determine who actually loaded the live round.

Saw a report that there were loose live rounds found in various areas of the set, Live rounds were found among blanks in the same box, and the gun belts Alec and another actor wore had at least one live round in the ammo loops.  It's conceivable Alec could have swapped a blank with a live round intending to shoot the deceased.  Apparently he had a possible motive.

The issue is less about who handed him the gun and more about how he was negligent for not verifying the gun was loaded as expected.  The person who pulls the trigger of a loaded weapon is the one responsible, because they are the one holding a deadly weapon -- nobody else.

It's criminal.  Gun safety is the responsibility of the person using it.  These were not props.  These were functional firearms.

As Colion Noir said, if Baldwin used a fraction of the time he spent demonizing guns learning about and practicing gun safety in real life, he would not be in this situation.  Never point a firearm at anyone or anything you don't intend to destroy.  Whether he loaded the live round or not, this one safety rule would have saved one's life and another's wound.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #155 on: January 19, 2023, 07:40:04 PM »


The people running the production of Rust were careless, and someone died. 

Alec is one of those people.  No ifs, ands, or buts.  He shares the responsibility.

Oh yeah.  But I neva pull the trigger.  You're full of shiite Alec.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #156 on: January 20, 2023, 01:12:48 AM »
Alec is one of those people.  No ifs, ands, or buts.  He shares the responsibility.

Oh yeah.  But I neva pull the trigger.  You're full of shiite Alec.

I think there's no debate he was mostly responsible as the person who pointed the gun without verifying it was safe to do so.

He can claim all day long that the gun fired without the trigger being pulled, but that is immaterial.  He had a duty to use the gun in a safe manner.  The outcome proves he did not.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #157 on: January 20, 2023, 11:17:16 AM »
The news keeps replaying the segment of Baldwin's ABC interview in which he says unequivocally that he never pulled the trigger when it fired.

What he said in that same segment that's actually more important was, "I would never point a gun at someone and pull the trigger."

He obviously knows that pointing a gun at someone is a no-no.  Whether or not he then pulls the trigger or it "just goes off" is not the issue.  He was negligent for where he pointed the pistol.

Period.



The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

drck1000

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #158 on: January 20, 2023, 11:25:35 AM »
While I don't think he did anything criminal, I do think if celebrities want to make statements, points, etc on their issues, they should also be examples when things go wrong.  While in this case he may not be culpable, there's always a give and take in life.  My 0.02.

QUIETShooter

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #159 on: January 20, 2023, 11:56:36 AM »
Baldwin's attorney stated that Alec relied on professionals on the set to ensure the gun was unloaded.  But Alec was not only an actor on the set, he was the producer also.

As a producer, I think one would know the protocols of firearm safety on your set.  The armorer was not present and the one who stated the gun was "cold" (meaning safe) was not a qualified person to declare that.

I believe arrogance and self-righteousness played a factor.  Alec has a history of being arrogant and displaying a short and hot temper.

He stated in the interview with that Stephanopoulos guy that he didn't pull the trigger and that he would never point a gun at someone and pull the trigger.

He claiming he didn't pull the trigger is laughable.  That he would point a gun at someone and think as long as you don't pull the trigger it's ok shows his ignorance or arrogance toward gun safety.

I shared this on this forum before.  Long ago my BIL asked to see my SW29.  My wife and sister (his wife) were present.  After checking that the gun was unloaded, I handed the revolver to him.  He  pointed the gun at his wife's head.  His finger was on the trigger.

We all immediately chastised him.  If looks could kill, I would be in jail for murder.  He said that he didn't pull the trigger, and that we all saw that I had safety checked the gun.  He said we were all acting irrationally.

I have never showed him any guns since then.  When he brings up the subject I ignore him.  He gets mad.  I don't care.  Fuck him.

If he wants to be a part of the 2a community he will do it on his own.  I want no part of it.

« Last Edit: January 20, 2023, 12:04:35 PM by QUIETShooter »
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.