Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone (Read 39311 times)

ren

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #180 on: September 10, 2023, 12:31:30 PM »
this is clearly an Alex Baldwin violence incident
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macsak

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #181 on: November 22, 2023, 12:40:39 PM »

macsak

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #182 on: January 19, 2024, 12:31:49 PM »

QUIETShooter

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #183 on: January 19, 2024, 01:24:18 PM »
I'm glad they're not letting this go!

Hope something comes out this time.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #184 on: January 19, 2024, 07:05:16 PM »
I'm glad they're not letting this go!

Hope something comes out this time.
Community service.

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QUIETShooter

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #185 on: January 19, 2024, 09:12:11 PM »
The FBI:  They for real or what?  They broke the gun while they were testing it.
So, if the prosecution introduces a replica of the gun as evidence in the trial, how credible is it?

It is brought up at 1:18 of the video.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #186 on: January 19, 2024, 09:58:02 PM »
The FBI:  They for real or what?  They broke the gun while they were testing it.
So, if the prosecution introduces a replica of the gun as evidence in the trial, how credible is it?

It is brought up at 1:18 of the video.

If the prosecution team and the judge know their jobs, the gun won't be the center of the trial evidence.

Unfortunately, guns have been demonized so often as evil killers on their own, people who know nothing about guns and gun safety will believe the gun is guilty -- not the person holding it.  Scary and sad, but too likely.

The center of the trial should be the fact that Baldwin was holding the gun when it fired and killed a person. 

Responsibility rests with the person in control of the weapon at the time. 

Did he check if it was loaded? 

If he saw it was loaded, did he check that all the rounds were the same (blanks)? 

Did he accept the gun from someone other than the one person who's supposed to control the firearms?  I understand someone on the set other than the armorer gave it to him.  He could have asked the armorer to come check the firearm before accepting it.  As a producer and major actor, he's fully aware of the procedures sets use to keep people safe.

He knew they were using real, functioning firearms as props.  He knew the crew was taking shots for fun with live ammo on their breaks. 

He knew never to put your finger on the trigger when pointing a gun at someone.  That's according to his own words.  So, why did he even point the gun at anyone in the first place -- regardless of what his trigger finger was doing?

Anyone with basic firearm training knows, if you break one safety rule, the others prevent injury.  He broke 3 but he wants to argue he only broke 2 of them:

1. Never point the muzzle at anything (or anyone) you don't intend to destroy.  -- stipulated he pointed it toward the camera and crew (obvious based on the outcome)
2. Always treat all guns as if they are loaded.  -- stipulated he thought they were loaded with blanks, yet still treated it unsafely
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and you have made the decision to shoot -- denies having his finger on the trigger

Sorry, but, unless the gun was able to fire from him just holding it, he's still guilty by virtue of failing to adhere to other rules.

At a minimum, it's negligent homicide.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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macsak

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #187 on: February 23, 2024, 09:01:15 PM »

macsak

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #188 on: March 04, 2024, 12:14:35 PM »

changemyoil66

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #189 on: March 04, 2024, 12:26:53 PM »


"New" armorer who didn't want to tell the guy with pull "no".  This is speculation, but I hope a more veteran armorer would tell him what's what.

I saw the behind the scenes of the making of DOOM.  The armor did a show of what even a blank to the face can do.  He used a syrofoam head to show the damage that it can do.  He was stressing that even though these are blanks, they can still seriously injure someone.  So it's not a toy.

QUIETShooter

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #190 on: March 04, 2024, 12:30:33 PM »
I hope Alec Baldwin gets convicted and goes to prison.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #191 on: March 04, 2024, 01:06:58 PM »
I hope Alec Baldwin gets convicted and goes to prison.

What ever happened to the guy who shot Jason Scott Lee (Bruce Lee's son)?

ren

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #192 on: March 04, 2024, 01:26:37 PM »
What ever happened to the guy who shot Jason Scott Lee (Bruce Lee's son)?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/10/22/alec-baldwin-prop-gun-shooting-surfaces-memories-brandon-lee-death/6132318001/


After Lee's death on March 31, 1993, little information was released. It was believed that a small explosive charge used to stimulate gunfire on the set of "The Crow" in Wilmington, N.C., led to Lee's death.

During filming, actor Michael Massee shot a revolver at Lee's character as he walks into the room. Lee collapsed backward, and when he didn't stand up, the crew thought he was still acting. Lee was rushed to the hospital, and after six hours of emergency surgery, he was pronounced dead. 

It was later revealed through the autopsy that Lee's death was the result of a .44-caliber bullet discovered near Lee's spine. That drew criticism of the movie set's safety. While the gun contained blank ammunition, a lethal obstruction had been lodged in the barrel during the filming of another scene weeks before.

Lee's mother, Linda Lee Cadwell, sued for negligence four months after her son's death. Cadwell alleged that "crew members ran out of dummy bullets and improperly manufactured their own from live ammunition. During a test firing of the dummy ammunition, a bullet tip wound up in the barrel of the handgun."

District Attorney Jerry Spivey announced after an investigation in April 1993 that no criminal charges would be filed and that there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing despite the movie crew's negligence. 


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macsak

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #193 on: March 04, 2024, 01:30:33 PM »
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What ever happened to the guy who shot Jason Scott Lee (Bruce Lee's son)?

QUIETShooter

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #194 on: March 04, 2024, 02:25:08 PM »
https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2021/10/22/alec-baldwin-prop-gun-shooting-surfaces-memories-brandon-lee-death/6132318001/


After Lee's death on March 31, 1993, little information was released. It was believed that a small explosive charge used to stimulate gunfire on the set of "The Crow" in Wilmington, N.C., led to Lee's death.

During filming, actor Michael Massee shot a revolver at Lee's character as he walks into the room. Lee collapsed backward, and when he didn't stand up, the crew thought he was still acting. Lee was rushed to the hospital, and after six hours of emergency surgery, he was pronounced dead.

It was later revealed through the autopsy that Lee's death was the result of a .44-caliber bullet discovered near Lee's spine. That drew criticism of the movie set's safety. While the gun contained blank ammunition, a lethal obstruction had been lodged in the barrel during the filming of another scene weeks before.

Lee's mother, Linda Lee Cadwell, sued for negligence four months after her son's death. Cadwell alleged that "crew members ran out of dummy bullets and improperly manufactured their own from live ammunition. During a test firing of the dummy ammunition, a bullet tip wound up in the barrel of the handgun."

District Attorney Jerry Spivey announced after an investigation in April 1993 that no criminal charges would be filed and that there was no evidence of criminal wrongdoing despite the movie crew's negligence.


Damn, there doesn't seem to be much difference between what happened back then and what happened at the Alec Baldwin shooting.  Situation wise.

Difference between then and now is Alec and the Armorer are being brought up on charges.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Sodie

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #195 on: March 04, 2024, 05:48:47 PM »
This guy killed himself with a no-kidding blank round.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon-Erik_Hexum

groveler

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #196 on: March 04, 2024, 09:10:16 PM »

You never point a gun at something you don't want to destroy.

Movies never have people point guns at other people.
Can you spell "special" effects and "editing"?
 :geekdanc:
Most those people can't shoot worth a Shiite anyway.

macsak

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #197 on: March 06, 2024, 09:08:38 PM »

macsak

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #198 on: March 07, 2024, 09:18:46 AM »

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Alec Baldwin shoots and kills someone
« Reply #199 on: March 07, 2024, 09:48:08 AM »
 :geekdanc:   :popcorn:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw