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ren

the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« on: November 08, 2021, 09:20:35 AM »
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Inspector

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2021, 09:27:11 AM »
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omnigun

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2021, 09:46:46 AM »
That policy doesn't sound utterly horrible on paper.  Small tax on vacant properties.  Saves a rise in tax for actual occupied dwellings.
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ren

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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2021, 11:54:49 AM »
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changemyoil66

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2021, 11:57:32 AM »
Quote from: ren on November 08, 2021, 11:54:49 AM
When you think you own your property
https://www.kitv.com/story/45136075/bill-aims-to-crackdown-on-oahu-short-term-rentals

YOu can't even rent it out via short term rental (air BnB) without the states permission.
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ren

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2021, 12:00:39 PM »
What next? A State declared "homeless pandemic" and all secondary properties will be open to the homeless? Or how about that extra room you got? Or you are expecting a baby? That's months away...can Mr or Ms Homeless reside there till baby arrives?
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Inspector

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2021, 12:01:58 PM »
Quote from: ren on November 08, 2021, 11:54:49 AM
When you think you own your property
https://www.kitv.com/story/45136075/bill-aims-to-crackdown-on-oahu-short-term-rentals
Anytime the government sticks its nose into the capitalist economy, they screw everything up. And this is just another example of the unintended consequences of a bad idea. It’s too bad the stupid politicians don’t see that. Unless of course they just see another revenue stream. In which case they are geniuses ripping off their constituents and they don’t care about the unintended consequences.
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ren

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2021, 12:05:42 PM »
I think that the market will prevail no matter what. And the market influx is from out of state because our local economy is stagnant. What local resident can afford current market prices? What local jobs can support that?
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Flapp_Jackson

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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2021, 12:14:18 PM »
Who's going to want to own a rental property if they have to pay a "vacancy tax" should it be vacant for a period of time?  Without a tenant, that comes out of the owner's pocket.  And if it is allowable as an operating expense, that tax amount lowers the taxable income of the owner -- so the 1% tax may be less than 1% if the owner is able to deduct it.

The idiots are doing a money grab -- again.  Has nothing to do with solving the problem of selling rental properties.  If that was the problem, they'd tax home sales of existing rental properties instead.

So stupid.  No matter what, people will find a way to avoid the tax long term.
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changemyoil66

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2021, 12:17:37 PM »
Rent control will be next...
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MassConfusion

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2021, 12:30:38 PM »
Just think, soon you will own nothing and be happy.  Think about all the money you will save on property taxes. :D
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Inspector

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2021, 12:49:04 PM »
I just listened to a podcast this afternoon about the government is planning to force rental property owners and business property owners to de-carbonize their properties. Eventually moving to forcing all homeowners to do the same.

Here is the podcast I listened to.

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ren

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2021, 12:57:43 PM »
Quote from: Inspector on November 08, 2021, 12:49:04 PM
I just listened to a podcast this afternoon about the government is planning to force rental property owners and business property owners to de-carbonize their properties. Eventually moving to forcing all homeowners to do the same.

Here is the podcast I listened to.



Meanwhile, the elite political power "okoles" will jet off to some far distant land to talk about "climate change"
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drck1000

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« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2021, 05:05:52 PM »
My sister and I own a property that we've meaning to renovate and rent.  WTF is going to force me to rent land that I own?!?

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macsak

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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2021, 05:09:36 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 05:05:52 PM
My sister and I own a property that we've meaning to renovate and rent.  WTF is going to force me to rent land that I own?!?

you privileged
you must pay reparations...
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drck1000

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2021, 05:12:01 PM »
Quote from: macsak on November 08, 2021, 05:09:36 PM
you privileged
you must pay reparations...
"Come and get it"

Since you own no firearms, ammo, reloading components/equipment, or are otherwise quite boring. . .  ;D
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2021, 05:12:12 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 05:05:52 PM
My sister and I own a property that we've meaning to renovate and rent.  WTF is going to force me to rent land that I own?!?

You're up a hog's a$$ looking for a ham sandwich. 

There's no rational reason for what's being proposed.  If they want to go after out-of-state investors who gobble up homes without renting them, then they ought to write the tax law specifying only those types of investors have to pay (or that HI residents are exempt).

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drck1000

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2021, 05:13:12 PM »
Quote from: Flapp_Jackson on November 08, 2021, 05:12:12 PM
You're up a hog's a$$ looking for a ham sandwich. 

There's no rational reason for what's being proposed.  If they want to go after out-of-state investors who gobble up homes without renting them, then they ought to write the tax law specifying only those types of investors have to pay (or that HI residents are exempt).
Did you mean Boar's Head?

They make some guud ham.  ;D
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macsak

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2021, 05:14:13 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 05:12:01 PM
"Come and get it"

Since you own no firearms, ammo, reloading components/equipment, or are otherwise quite boring. . .  ;D

anti-dentite!
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ren

Re: the next thing Hawaii govt will make worse
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2021, 05:16:52 PM »
Quote from: drck1000 on November 08, 2021, 05:05:52 PM
My sister and I own a property that we've meaning to renovate and rent.  WTF is going to force me to rent land that I own?!?



https://stateofreform.com/5-things/2019/11/5-things-washington-hawaii-lt-gov-josh-green-bh-workforce-jiquanda-nelson/

Green is a former ER physician and a national leader on the intersection of housing, homelessness, and health care. He argues that if homelessness is often a symptom of medical issues, particularly mental health, and if housing is generally a pre-requisite to addressing health concerns, then stable housing should be a covered prescription under Medicaid. Prior to being elected lieutenant governor, Josh Green served in the Hawaii House of Representatives and the State Senate where he chaired the Health Committee and Human Services Committee.
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