Is this the most accurate 9mm semi-auto handgun?



Honest Outlaw calls this a Tack Driver. Internet price is over $1300. Is this time to get rid of my Glocks and Sigs? Mrs. Outlaw says the recoil is higher than some other guns, and the rate of fire is not as speedy. As is true of other $1K++ guns, availability in HI will be challenging.

I wouldn't discount Sigs because they had the P210 out for awhile and it's accurate.
https://www.sigsauer.com/p210-target.html

SEC has had the whole USP lineup recently, including the expert and elite. *edit* I'm not certain what calibers now that I think back on it...

I’ve shot the Expert in 9 and 45. A HK USP 40 Compact was the first gun I owned. Since you think Glocks are spray and pray, go ahead. Get a HK USP Expert. Take your Glock and Sigs and test them out against each other.  Shoot them with folks that compete and train.

BTW, those guns are available locally…

i don't take those full beard internet gun guys too seriously, they whistle a new tune every month.

now, Mr Guns & Gear, and Garand Thumb, I do pay attention to them if it's a worthwhile topic.  Although lately, GT thinks he's into the movie feature business.  fast forward.

and Minute of Mae is always fun to watch.

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doesn't the USP have that odd ball not-picatinny front rail?

now, Mr Guns & Gear, and Garand Thumb, I do pay attention to them if it's a worthwhile topic.  Although lately, GT thinks he's into the movie feature business.
ETA:
doesn't the USP have that odd ball not-picatinny front rail?

Garand Thumb is in the youtube business for entertainment. His video with an M1 Garand was painful to watch. G.T. styles himself after Christian Bale and Ryan Reynolds. Who can argue with a guy who has over a million subscribers?


Is a youtuber who features a Samoan sidekick vs. a regular wife more useful to the general viewer? No, I would vote for the wife. Mrs. Outlaw is very helpful, since a lot of guys still haven't reached her level of proficiency.

Rails are not that important to competition shooters. These guys and gals are masochists in their insistence on iron sights and one-handed shooting. Who else would subject themselves to a final score of 1 shot out of 10 on a tiny bullseye sheet at 50 yds (one-handed)? At the recent Chinese Gun Club competition, only two people were entered into the service pistol phase. The H&K seemed like a good choice due to the fact that it can fire 9mm or .45 ACP rounds, depending on the model. Not that it was an actual choice in the match, as there are certain features of such weapons that are beyond my experience to characterize.

I should have asked this sooner, but what do u plan to do with the pistol?

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I should have asked this sooner, but what do u plan to do with the pistol?

For handguns, the goal is self-defense and proficiency. Based on crime statistics, and budget constraints, HPD cannot respond to or clear certain crimes. Sorry, we do not have Detective Harry Bosch working this state.
https://www.civilbeat.org/2020/12/police-commissioner-people-want-answers-on-hpds-low-crime-solving-rate/

In the home, the first responder is the homeowner. He or she requires reliable and accurate weapons. As many studies have shown, we may have only 1 or 2 shots to stop the invader. Accuracy requires hundreds of hours of practice and a weapon you can trust. This is a trial and error process, starting with something cheap (Glock 19). Next step was a Sig P365 (not completed yet). It will literally take months or years to  reach the final stages of gun ownership.

Since your use of any gun above is for self defense (SD), then I think that it really wouldn't matter what gun you get, because they all will shoot more accurate than it's user would be capable of.  I don't know you, but I'm going to assume you aren't a nationally ranked target shooter.  If you are 1, then my apologies for assuming you're not.  Nationally ranked shooters have very expensive and fine tuned handguns that are designed differently from SD usage.  Google "race guns" like the $10,000 Infiniti. Keep in mind too that you may have to answer to the prosecution why you have X gun or Y modification.

SD would happen during a high stress environment, so doing any kind of bench shooting type or standing still and focusing on breathing taking 30 seconds between shots  is out the window.  Have you taken any kind of class or skill builder?  Because shooting on the move is a whole new ball game. And so is shooting against a timer or competing against the guy next to you.  Then factor in reloads or malfunction manipulations.  Maybe 1 of the competitive shooting guys can chime in. The not using a $10,000 race gun guys.

Come to the HDF open shoots and do the BAER Solutions drill.  If you can accomplish it at 5 yards, then move the target back to 7. And if successful, then 10 yards and so on.  Or you can try the Dot Torture drill and do the same.  YOu also might be able to do this at other indoor ranges.

As for trusting a gun, majority of modern factory guns are trustworthy/reliable.  So a G17,G19, SIGP365, VP9, etc...

In the end, you buy what you want to since it's your money.  Personally, I have no idea why I haven't bought a G19 yet, since so far, that's what I shoot the best.

1) SD would happen during a high stress environment, so doing any kind of bench shooting type or standing still and focusing on breathing taking 30 seconds between shots  is out the window.  Have you taken any kind of class or skill builder?  Because shooting on the move is a whole new ball game. And so is shooting against a timer or competing against the guy next to you.  Then factor in reloads or malfunction manipulations.  Maybe 1 of the competitive shooting guys can chime in. The not using a $10,000 race gun guys.

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2) In the end, you buy what you want to since it's your money.  Personally, I have no idea why I haven't bought a G19 yet, since so far, that's what I shoot the best.

1) I've shot production and limited.  Was going to shoot carry optics, but then COVID hit.  That said, I do think there's a lot of overlap with the Open (race gun) division in overall shooting.  That's the practical part of USPSA/IPSC, etc.  I got into shooting those matches for the shooting and moving aspect of supplementing firearms training.  That said, the marksmanship aspect overall does help no matter what division, at least IMO. 

2) Definitely.  If you have the $$$, rock in. But all sorts of guns.  You seem to like your HK, which is great.  Even though you may get comments about that.  That said, there usually seems to be a certain expectation of magic gun (instead of magic bullet) that cures shooting woes. 

Garand Thumb is in the youtube business for entertainment. His video with an M1 Garand was painful to watch. G.T. styles himself after Christian Bale and Ryan Reynolds. Who can argue with a guy who has over a million subscribers?


Is a youtuber who features a Samoan sidekick vs. a regular wife more useful to the general viewer? No, I would vote for the wife. Mrs. Outlaw is very helpful, since a lot of guys still haven't reached her level of proficiency.

Rails are not that important to competition shooters. These guys and gals are masochists in their insistence on iron sights and one-handed shooting. Who else would subject themselves to a final score of 1 shot out of 10 on a tiny bullseye sheet at 50 yds (one-handed)? At the recent Chinese Gun Club competition, only two people were entered into the service pistol phase. The H&K seemed like a good choice due to the fact that it can fire 9mm or .45 ACP rounds, depending on the model. Not that it was an actual choice in the match, as there are certain features of such weapons that are beyond my experience to characterize.

The Chinese Gun Club's focus is on bullseye and hardball shooting (EIC). The action shooters on the bay side may value rails - different type of shooting

2) Definitely.  If you have the $$$, rock in. But all sorts of guns.  You seem to like your HK, which is great.  Even though you may get comments about that.  That said, there usually seems to be a certain expectation of magic gun (instead of magic bullet) that cures shooting woes.

I'm known as "pot committed" (poker term).  I've got so much $ invested into the VP9, gear, mags, etc...that for me to go all over again would cost way more.  Like I would not be carrying my government size 1911.

I remember 1 skill builder we took, there's a guy who does very well for competition shooting.  He had to use Mrs. CMO S&W M&P9C which has the worst trigger ever.  He had trouble hitting steel at 15 yards.

Is this the most accurate 9mm semi-auto handgun?



Honest Outlaw calls this a Tack Driver. Internet price is over $1300. Is this time to get rid of my Glocks and Sigs? Mrs. Outlaw says the recoil is higher than some other guns, and the rate of fire is not as speedy. As is true of other $1K++ guns, availability in HI will be challenging.

I wouldn't get rid of your Glocks and Sigs.  but if you want this HK USP Expert, seems like a great gun, I would just add it to your collection.  sometimes we just want something bc it peaks our fancy, and that's perfectly fine.   
I have a few 1911's, one of which is a "target model", so it's just a range gun.  another one is more of a carry/duty model.
I don't think there is a "do it all gun".  some guns do a lot of things well, and some guns do specific things very well.  that's why in time most of us end up with more than a few guns. 
I've never really regretted getting any firearm, but I have regretted not getting some firearms.

I'm known as "pot committed" (poker term).  I've got so much $ invested into the VP9, gear, mags, etc...that for me to go all over again would cost way more.  Like I would not be carrying my government size 1911.

I remember 1 skill builder we took, there's a guy who does very well for competition shooting.  He had to use Mrs. CMO S&W M&P9C which has the worst trigger ever.  He had trouble hitting steel at 15 yards.

That's a small pot you got there. . . 

Now focusing on a particular platform for training/SD is something that I have come full circle with.  I have tried and had pretty much full setups for multiple handguns.  While I will always enjoy a variety of handguns, the most of my training/classes are with a particular platform. 

And I've shot said handgun.  It was aight, at least from what I remember. 

If you want accuracy and a challenge, get a good revolver. You won’t regret it. Much more accurate and reliable than any semi auto. JMHO YMMV

But an accurate pistol means nothing if you don’t practice and get proficient with it. To be honest, any of the semi auto pistols on the market have sufficient accuracy for self defense use. I wouldn’t buy solely on accuracy. To me what’s more important is how it fits your hand and if you can easily reach the controls and operate them. Being proficient with the right pistol is much more important than being okay with a gun that might shoot half inch tighter groups in a Ransom Rest. JMHO