I'm sure we are about to hear allot about this shooting. I'm sure the shooter's name will be repeated a million times. During these conversations it would be nice if the name Tate Meyer(not sure of spelling) is repeated. He was the student who gave his life trying to stop the shooter.  I am unclear of the details, but as they come out we should honor the student trying to help instead of our media lifting up the shooter. Thank you for the soapbox.

Very sad. I use local reporting to follow the events.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/oakland/2021/11/30/oxford-high-school-active-shooter-victims/8810588002/
The faces of some families is very somber. Each of them wishes that the Christmas break would have come several weeks earlier to avoid this tragedy. Unbelievable. I think about my nieces and nephews on the mainland, and pray for their safety.

Our problem is really very simple.
Culture.
We won't obliterate that abhorrent culture and that is the problem.
I give the Chinese credit for one thing, they know how to eliminate
problem cultures.
The rest of us aren't quite up to speed yet.
 

1 benefit of a dictatorship, you can squash big problems easier. Like Covid in N.Korea.

Sure enough Trump’s fault. 

“ Jennifer, however, in November 2016, penned an open letter to President-Elect Donald Trump, which she posted on her blog.

“Mr. Trump, I actually love that you are a bad public speaker because that showed sincerity, and humility,” she wrote. “You changed your mind, and you said ‘so what.’ You made the famous ‘grab them in the pussy’ comment, did it offend me? No. I say things all the time that people take the wrong way, do I mean them, not always. Do I agree that you should of [sic] shown your tax returns? No. I don’t care what you do or maybe don’t pay in taxes, I think those are personal and if the Gov’t can lock someone up over $10,000 of unpaid taxes and you slipped on by, then that shows the corruption.”

Crumbley went on to tell Trump that she hoped he would “really uncover the politicians for what I believe they really are,” and that he might “shut down Big Pharma, make health care affordable for me and my MIDDLE CLASS family again.” She was in favor of Trump’s long-promised border wall, and noted that she was “not racist” because her grandfather “came straight off the boat in Italy.”

“As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms,” the letter continued. “Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions. Thank you for respecting that Amendment.”

She complained about parents at other schools where the “kids come from illegal immigrant parents,” and “don’t care about learning.”

It was signed, “A hard working Middle Class Law Abiding Citizen who is sick of getting fucked in the ass and would rather be grabbed by the pussy.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ethan-crumbley-identified-alleged-michigan-192313536.html

Liberal media spin.
Although that is a heavy blog post from the Mom. 
Tragic incident though.

As a parent, all I could think about is where the F did I go wrong if my kid did that.

MK......ult.....activated

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Parents charged with involuntary manslaughter.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/michigan-oxford-school-shooting-ethan-crumbley-parents-charged-182447458.html

“according to prosecutors, James Crumbley purchased the Sig Sauer 9-mm. semi-automatic handgun, the weapon allegedly used by his son, four days before the shooting. A store employee told investigators that Ethan Crumbley was with his father at the time of the purchase. The same day, Ethan Crumbley posted photos of the gun to social media with the caption, "Just got my new beauty today," MacDonald said.

The next day, Jennifer Crumbley posted to social media suggesting that she and Ethan were testing out the gun, which she referred to as "his new Christmas present," MacDonald said”

Check out the article. Interesting info and kinda heartbreaking for the loved ones of the deceased.
Looks like it was preventable. By both Parents and School.

Kids mugshot reminds me of Private Pyle from Full Metal Jacket.

Wonder if this kid was on anti depressants as many active shooters are.  Excluding Pulse Nightclub.

I'm glad they were charged. In my house the 15 year old doesn't have access to the safe. If the parents secured the firearms and ammo and only allowed their kid to use with supervision this could have been prevented. This is a parenting problem. Failure to secure their weapons and inadequate supervision.

So if the kid took a kitchen knife instead and stabbed a bunch of kids would you support the parents getting charged still? Whether you agree or not these charges are politically motivated. That is never a good thing nor is it something you should be glad about.

I'm glad they were charged. In my house the 15 year old doesn't have access to the safe. If the parents secured the firearms and ammo and only allowed their kid to use with supervision this could have been prevented. This is a parenting problem. Failure to secure their weapons and inadequate supervision.

Can you post a link to an article that states how the child gained access to the firearm?  This will determine my thoughts if the parents should be charged or not.

Can you post a link to an article that states how the child gained access to the firearm?  This will determine my thoughts if the parents should be charged or not.

I believe the kid went into their bedroom and took it out of their drawer.

To be fair the parents were very very negligent. Multiple red flags that the kid was not ok. He was making drawings, looking at ammo on his phone while at school, counselor got involved. I can understand that they probably felt deep down that something was wrong, but no one wants to believe that their kid is some monster. They were dumb but I don’t think they should be charged. Switch out the gun with any other dangerous tool and they aren’t getting charged.

So if the kid took a kitchen knife instead and stabbed a bunch of kids would you support the parents getting charged still? Whether you agree or not these charges are politically motivated. That is never a good thing nor is it something you should be glad about.

Or if the kid used a car that they drive to school to commit a mass assault with the vehicle.  Should the owner of the car have charges filed and arrested?

Or if the kid used a car that they drive to school to commit a mass assault with the vehicle.  Should the owner of the car have charges filed and arrested?

Exactly. They’re trying to use the justice system to pass law. Can’t get it through the legislative process so like Hawaii (Ballard) they threaten you with a long legal process.

I believe the kid went into their bedroom and took it out of their drawer.

To be fair the parents were very very negligent. Multiple red flags that the kid was not ok. He was making drawings, looking at ammo on his phone while at school, counselor got involved. I can understand that they probably felt deep down that something was wrong, but no one wants to believe that their kid is some monster. They were dumb but I don’t think they should be charged. Switch out the gun with any other dangerous tool and they aren’t getting charged.

If this was the case, then it would be reasonable to charge the parents if MI law allows it,  like does MI have a storage with respect to minors law like how HI does?  But a involuntary manslaughter charge is reaching and political.  And add in he never had permission to take the gun, so in reality, it was a stolen gun since a minor cannot own a handgun and gun was in his parents drawer.

I don't see the looking at ammo as a red flag.  Many people do this, it's just that with smart phones, you now have access to the internet everywhere you go.  And I'm sure his parents have 9mm in the home anyways.

If this was the case, then it would be reasonable to charge the parents if MI law allows it,  like does MI have a storage with respect to minors law like how HI does?  But a involuntary manslaughter charge is reaching and political.  And add in he never had permission to take the gun, so in reality, it was a stolen gun since a minor cannot own a handgun and gun was in his parents drawer.

I don't see the looking at ammo as a red flag.  Many people do this, it's just that with smart phones, you now have access to the internet everywhere you go.  And I'm sure his parents have 9mm in the home anyways.

My quick google search shows that Michigan doesn’t have any storage laws.

I think it was a red flag because a lot of times these kids are really screaming for attention before these things shootings Happen They say things and do things that show their intent. I would agree that looking at ammo in a general sense isn’t a red flag by itself, but taking the totality of the situation like drawings about death, I think he also posted some cryptic things on social media.

I was just gonna say the same thing along those lines.
If you give the keys are you guilty of the crime as well ?
Much less if your kid steals your car and goes batshit. Are you guilty also because you didn’t lock up the keys ? Same thing. We know cars are deadly weapons.

What good is having a 15 year old firearms proficient daughter with no access to firearms while home alone ?
Odds of having to use it are slim to none. But like a fire extinguisher…..

I’m leaning toward the mental health issue.
And the massive red flag they stepped over (the note, scribbling, drawing the teacher allegedly photo’d) just prior to the incident. They being the parents and the school.
Parents even got called in.
School ordered the kid to get counseling within 72 hours. Parents knew they just bought him a gun. No one checked the drawer apparently before or after the meeting (pure conjecture)
Wonder what else will come out about this shooting.

They better have great liability insurance though, because the parents are on the hook for a ton of lawsuits in which they will be found negligent.

Wonder what else will come out about this shooting.

Anti depressant usage.  Just a guess.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/teen-gunman-parents-charged-wake-165306966.html

Bunch of fluff included but some good info.
We’ll see how the narrative continues.