I enjoy his channel.

Basiaclly for months, he has been talking about auto keycard. Its an etch on a metal business card sized metal. So a drawing that the ATF ruled is a machine gun recently and arrested the maker.

CRS created a GFM for him. The idea is if a drawing is treated as a machine gun, whats next. Will a drawing of an auto sear be treated the same?

Now they arrested CRS for conspiracy. Why, because his channel was sponsored by auto keycard while it was a legal object in the past. And that he raised money for the makers defense fund.

The maker of auto was and is still in jail. They arrested his family and ceased all their assets. So he had no $ for a good legal team. This is where CRS helped.

CRS has mentioned that he is sure the ATF will come after him one day. So he has plan A, B, and C. Which is why John Crump is using his channel to spread the word.

His vids are interesting, but educational. He looks like a fool, but knows his stuff.

Most recently he has been outspoken about FRS triggers and WOT triggers. And if u bought 1, the ATF will be kocking on your door since they have the makers mailing list. And peoples YT channels of them shooting with them

He often speaks about how even if u beat the BS charges, u are in jail, will lose ur job, probably ur family/kids. Which is why many take plea deals that help the feds get their 90% conviction rate. "Just plead guilty and u go home tomorrow, pay a fine and do community service". This also sets precident for others they charge because they can say that they have 20 other convictions for the same crime.

Below is 1 vid, but YT his others if u want more background. He has a GFM under Matt Hoover for his legal defense and expenses.



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Interesting, there are multiple stages of manufacturing items, when does the item become a firearm or a firearm part?  (rhetorical question)

Interesting, there are multiple stages of manufacturing items, when does the item become a firearm or a firearm part?  (rhetorical question)

A full-auto sear is a more serious manufacturing issue than a trigger or a lower receiver.  The part exclusive of any other part is a restricted item which requires you to file an application and pay a $200 tax.  No different than buying a complete full auto machine gun.

There has been case after case of someone trying to skirt the law and sell full auto sears.  Some even advertise as "coat hooks" that were created on a 3D printer...

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/man-arrested-for-selling-hundreds-of-3d-printed-drop-in-auto-sear-coat-hooks/

I don't think it's about "stages" as much as something being a "functional equivalent" of something that can't be sold to the general public.

A full-auto sear is a more serious manufacturing issue than a trigger or a lower receiver.  The part exclusive of any other part is a restricted item which requires you to file an application and pay a $200 tax.  No different than buying a complete full auto machine gun.

There has been case after case of someone trying to skirt the law and sell full auto sears.  Some even advertise as "coat hooks" that were created on a 3D printer...

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/man-arrested-for-selling-hundreds-of-3d-printed-drop-in-auto-sear-coat-hooks/

I don't think it's about "stages" as much as something being a "functional equivalent" of something that can't be sold to the general public.

I think my point is just that it is hard to draw a clean line at which point a gun or part becomes what it is.

I think my point is just that it is hard to draw a clean line at which point a gun or part becomes what it is.

"Functionally equivalent" pretty much defines that line.  The sear in the article is a picture on a piece of metal that can be turned into a Lightning Link, which can act as a full auto sear in some Colt AR-15s turning it into a machine gun.

If the drawing were not on a material that can operate as an actual sear in a rifle, I don't think we'd be hearing about this.

By using a metal "keycard", the intent became obvious:  cut along the dotted lines and make a FA sear/Lightning Link.

"Functionally equivalent" pretty much defines that line.  The sear in the article is a picture on a piece of metal that can be turned into a Lightning Link, which can act as a full auto sear in some Colt AR-15s turning it into a machine gun.

If the drawing were not on a material that can operate as an actual sear in a rifle, I don't think we'd be hearing about this.

By using a metal "keycard", the intent became obvious:  cut along the dotted lines and make a FA sear/Lightning Link.

Forgetting 1 also has to assemble the cut outs b4 dropping it in the gun.

So is the exact drawing on paper not a machine gun?

Keep in mind, CRS wasnt making them and at the time he was distributing them for a very short period while it was legal to do so. He stopped all distribution prior to the maker being arrested and charged. He made vids about it and warning people that it is now a machinegun. And if the ATf comes to your home, dont lie to them.

He made similar vids about Forced Reset triggers and WOT triggers. Both are also defined now as a machine gun and neither owners have been arrested. Raided yes, but arrested, no.

The charge against him is conspiracy to make. Not selling of machine guns or making of them. He was never in the factory or office of the company.

If a drawing of a part can get u arrested, then this is a very scary road to go down.

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His GFM has $80k in 1 day.

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This is the part where the AFT tries to threaten everyone who doesn't agree with the Biden regime, but instead they just convince more people than ever to start having build parties.

Been following this story since he got taken in. He’s out now. Hope everything works out

Been following this story since he got taken in. He’s out now. Hope everything works out

Hes screwed either way. Which is the example they want to make.

He had a vid about this. How close can 1 get to breaking the law, without actually breaking the law, b4 they come after u.

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Update

Matt is out on bail.

GOA and other orgs getting involved. They see the bigger picture.

As a FFL AND YTer as his source of income, both have ceased. Why his GFM and donations are important.



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More updates:

More YT'ers are donating their views to his channel because he cannot post any vids right now.  This is 1 of his revenue streams, so lack of views is hurting him.  I have never seen this done before.  Which shows how much of a big deal this is.

Matt does look like a redneck, Monster drinking, uneducated guy, but if you watch his vids, he actually knows his stuff.  Not only law/code wise, but gun stuff too.

He spoke about this in a prior vid about the Keycard, I'm going by memory :

Back in the day, the EPA was granted power to change definitions without having to go thru the legislative process for going against big oil companies.  Since no once challenged this back then, now the ATF uses this. Examples are changing the def what a machine gun is or what a firearm is with regard to 80%.  The issue is no one gets notice or a warning or grandfather. So the only way to know is to be following what they do daily and spreading the word via coconut wireless.  So the ATF changed the def and ruled the keycard as a machine gun.  Which prior to he was not selling or giving away.

This is why many YTers find this an important case, because #1 Matt will not accept a plea deal. He will fight this to the end, which would help the cause. And to charge someone for what was legal at the time is totally a missjustice.

The prosecution tried to deny his bail by showing a vid he made about it and the 3rd hole months ago. "If they're going to treat this keycard as a machine gun, you might as well drill that "3rd hole" because the charges are the same". Luckily, the judge saw thru their BS and granted him bail.

"Functionally equivalent" pretty much defines that line.  The sear in the article is a picture on a piece of metal that can be turned into a Lightning Link, which can act as a full auto sear in some Colt AR-15s turning it into a machine gun.

If the drawing were not on a material that can operate as an actual sear in a rifle, I don't think we'd be hearing about this.

By using a metal "keycard", the intent became obvious:  cut along the dotted lines and make a FA sear/Lightning Link.

That was my understanding. Was it merely a drawing on the sheet of metal or was it etched in such a way that it can be bent to break away the desired part?

There are just so many ways someone could do such a thing trying to walk a thin line where they can claim the customer made/finished it.

For example, if anyone has built a plastic model they will recognize how the piece is attached to a frame and must be cut away or twisted till it comes loose. In this case did the company make the part or did I make the part when I removed it from the frame? 

I think it would be hard to honestly defend an item if one merely had to remove the part from a frame to complete the manufacturing.

That was my understanding. Was it merely a drawing on the sheet of metal or was it etched in such a way that it can be bent to break away the desired part?

There are just so many ways someone could do such a thing trying to walk a thin line where they can claim the customer made/finished it.

For example, if anyone has built a plastic model they will recognize how the piece is attached to a frame and must be cut away or twisted till it comes loose. In this case did the company make the part or did I make the part when I removed it from the frame? 

I think it would be hard to honestly defend an item if one merely had to remove the part from a frame to complete the manufacturing.

It was etched on the metal,  but you still need a tool to cut it out (hence use of word drawing). Then put the pieces together and then drop it into a certain Colt rifle that was last made in 1970.  It would not work in any other brand or model of rifle, so even the Colt 6920, it would not work.

There was a case on a guy who has a CNC machine. he set it up and put in the calibrations to make lowers. But never pushed the button. You had to do it.  The AFT busted him but he took an awesome plea deal, so that's how they got their guilty verdict. This was why the definition of an AR lower doesn't fit theirs. Which is why they offered a sweet deal so he doesn't go to trial and mess everything up for the AFT on lowers. What person wouldn't take that deal.  Matt is different, he's not going to take any deals out of principal for the betterment of the 2a. He knows what's at stake because he stated so in other vids he made. Cirlce back to is a drawing now a machine gun. And any guilty conviction from a plea deal  for this screws everyone else.

It was etched on the metal,  but you still need a tool to cut it out (hence use of word drawing). Then put the pieces together and then drop it into a certain Colt rifle that was last made in 1970.  It would not work in any other brand or model of rifle, so even the Colt 6920, it would not work.

There was a case on a guy who has a CNC machine. he set it up and put in the calibrations to make lowers. But never pushed the button. You had to do it.  The AFT busted him but he took an awesome plea deal, so that's how they got their guilty verdict. This was why the definition of an AR lower doesn't fit theirs. Which is why they offered a sweet deal so he doesn't go to trial and mess everything up for the AFT on lowers. What person wouldn't take that deal.  Matt is different, he's not going to take any deals out of principal for the betterment of the 2a. He knows what's at stake because he stated so in other vids he made. Cirlce back to is a drawing now a machine gun. And any guilty conviction from a plea deal  for this screws everyone else.

Thanks, I watched a few videos about that to help me see, I think that calling the drawing a machine gun was a clear overstep in reasoning. I basically agreed about bump stocks but banning a drawing I think clearly is too far.

The CNC one is another interesting one but obviously a bit more complicated.

The CNC one is another interesting one but obviously a bit more complicated.

It's not complicated if you understand why the gov offered a sweet plea deal. They know the ramifications of this going to trial.

It's not complicated if you understand why the gov offered a sweet plea deal. They know the ramifications of this going to trial.

I meant the manufacturing is more complicated. Its easy to cut out a piece with an angle grinder. A 3D model to be milled on a CNC machine is more complicated, more elements to it than simply "a drawing"

I meant the manufacturing is more complicated. Its easy to cut out a piece with an angle grinder. A 3D model to be milled on a CNC machine is more complicated, more elements to it than simply "a drawing"

you have a CNC?

I meant the manufacturing is more complicated. Its easy to cut out a piece with an angle grinder. A 3D model to be milled on a CNC machine is more complicated, more elements to it than simply "a drawing"

The lawsuit stated all data was inputted by the defendant who also owned the machine. He has no FFL. All the buyer did was push the start button.

So at what point is he making a lower or the buyer making their own lower. Until start button is activated, its nothing more than data and a blank rectangle piece of metal. None of which is a firearm.

So this brings us back to the auto keycard drawing. Is an image of parts combined a machine gun? The AFT thinks so. People know this is a slippery slope.

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you have a CNC?

Not yet, would like to though