Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 298992 times)

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #460 on: March 07, 2022, 04:35:53 PM »
don't forget the ICBM silos on oahu...

Maui has military satellite tracking installations on Haleakala.  Includes a very advanced optical ability to image satellites and ID them as to purpose.

Might not nuke it, but a prime target for a Spetsnaz strike.

PTA on the BI is empty lava fields.   Other than dispersed aircraft basing airfields like Hilo and Kona, not much of anything.

robtmc

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #461 on: March 07, 2022, 05:00:53 PM »
don't forget the ICBM silos on oahu...
Sucks to be on Oahu in a nuke attack.

Between Kaneohe MCB, Hickam-Pearl Harbor, the Kaena Point Sat-tracking installation, and  the NSA/NCTAMS PAC installation near Wahiawa, most of the island will be just glowing holes.
North shore might make it if the trades are blowing.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #462 on: March 07, 2022, 05:17:27 PM »
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mrgaf

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #463 on: March 07, 2022, 05:57:22 PM »
We now see in another 2018 report below how the US empire's dealings with Ukraine's racist Nazis have been going on for some time now.  The US Senate has openly invited and is supporting Ukraine's Nazi anti-Russian campaign in Eastern Ukraine, and Americans are still questioning the legitimacy of Russia's geopolitical goals in their invasion of Ukraine?




Cool beans!



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RSN172

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #464 on: March 07, 2022, 05:57:31 PM »
No nuke Oahu. I like da first one hit the BI right in my backyard.
Happily living in Puna

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #465 on: March 07, 2022, 06:01:12 PM »
I'm retired now but I going poot on my hard hat just before the nuke hits.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

aieahound

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #466 on: March 07, 2022, 06:32:53 PM »
Leave out the retiring warthogs out for bulk pickup and just the have the Ukrainians grab ‘em before pick up day.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #467 on: March 07, 2022, 07:35:22 PM »
I'm retired now but I going poot on my hard hat just before the nuke hits.
I going be naked.

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hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #468 on: March 07, 2022, 08:31:02 PM »
https://www.nuclearwarmap.com/simulation01.html

Interesting simulation. They only show Oahu taking multiple hits, and the fallout zone goes against the wind toward the north of Maui. I'm wondering if that's because of the rotation of the earth since the cloud goes so high.

State Summary: Hawaii

targets:   5
warheads:   20
megatons:   9.6
casualties:   1,120,000
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macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #469 on: March 07, 2022, 09:10:42 PM »
shall we play a game?

how about "global thermonuclear war..."

https://www.nuclearwarmap.com/simulation01.html

Interesting simulation. They only show Oahu taking multiple hits, and the fallout zone goes against the wind toward the north of Maui. I'm wondering if that's because of the rotation of the earth since the cloud goes so high.

State Summary: Hawaii

targets:   5
warheads:   20
megatons:   9.6
casualties:   1,120,000

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #470 on: March 07, 2022, 09:25:45 PM »
https://www.nuclearwarmap.com/simulation01.html

Interesting simulation. They only show Oahu taking multiple hits, and the fallout zone goes against the wind toward the north of Maui. I'm wondering if that's because of the rotation of the earth since the cloud goes so high.

State Summary: Hawaii

targets:   5
warheads:   20
megatons:   9.6
casualties:   1,120,000

It's not about the height of the mushroom cloud.  ICBMs and air dropped bombs are usually intended to be detonate far above the ground.  The thermal energy and overpressure from an aerial detonation are multiple times more destructive than ground detonations.

Unlike surface blasts, air blasts produce almost no local fallout upon detonation.  The mushroom cloud is caused by condensation of water droplets in an aerial detonation. 

 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #471 on: March 07, 2022, 09:29:29 PM »
It's not about the height of the mushroom cloud.  ICBMs and air dropped bombs are usually intended to be detonate far above the ground.  The thermal energy and overpressure from an aerial detonation are multiple times more destructive than ground detonations.

Unlike surface blasts, air blasts produce almost no local fallout upon detonation.  The mushroom cloud is caused by condensation of water droplets in an aerial detonation.

okay that makes sense why the fallout zones are all oval shape instead of looking more like a comet


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robtmc

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #472 on: March 08, 2022, 07:45:17 AM »
https://www.nuclearwarmap.com/simulation01.html

Interesting simulation. They only show Oahu taking multiple hits,
Some questionable target in that sim. 
Like bombing the Goldwater bombing range in Arizona?   Yeah, that makes sense, bounce the rubble.

The Oahu targets look likely with the exception of the Kaena Pt Sat-Track site. 
Maybe they figure an conventional strike would be enough to knock that off-line.  Cruise missiles from subs to take that and Barking Sands out.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #473 on: March 08, 2022, 08:51:05 AM »
And this would just be the toll in HI, because since they've already let the cat out of the bag, Russia would also target the mainland.  And then we would respond and so on. MAD.  Ukraine should have kept their nukes in 2014.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #474 on: March 08, 2022, 09:13:59 AM »
And this would just be the toll in HI, because since they've already let the cat out of the bag, Russia would also target the mainland.  And then we would respond and so on. MAD.  Ukraine should have kept their nukes in 2014.


Our oligarchs (like Omidyar of Honolulu Civil Beat) should not have staged a color revolution, let false flag snipers on the loose, and put a bunch of Nazis in power in 2014. This whole mess is a creation of our State Department and psychotic elitists.

https://pandodaily.com/2014/02/28/pierre-omidyar-co-funded-ukraine-revolution-groups-with-us-government-documents-show/
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #475 on: March 08, 2022, 10:44:37 AM »
Ukraine should have kept their nukes in 2014.
This is not politically realistic unless you allow the universal proliferation of nuclear weapons for all nations of the planet.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #476 on: March 08, 2022, 11:08:09 AM »
Misguided useful idiots brainwashed to partake and potentially die in a war instigated by the US empire.


QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #477 on: March 08, 2022, 12:20:40 PM »
The Ukrainian Dept. of Defense spokesman mentioned that they will make it very clear that the volunteers understand that they will not be paid lest they be deemed a mercenary.  Russia has already stated that mercenaries captured will not be afforded the same "protections" as would be a regular military combatant.

Hope these volunteers understand that, as they willingly engage as civilians in a state's conflict, the enemy (in this case Russia) can and will engage them the same as if they were military combatants.

And for the Americans, there is no "guarantee" for amnesty, safety, or any special treatment just because they are Americans.  The US Embassy stressed that they strongly urge all Americans to leave Ukraine due to their safety, but will not stop them if they want to volunteer and play Rambo.

So for whatever reason you volunteers want to go to Ukraine to help with the fight, whether it be for the sake of freedom, your mother country, the thrill of adventure, or the prospect of writing a book or appearing on 60 minutes or Oprah, whatever your reason(s) God be with you and be safe.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #478 on: March 08, 2022, 12:42:21 PM »
Simply taking out Oahu would cripple any response capability from Hawaii.  Any response would be mainland based or already deployed and able to retaliate.

Oahu has the largest population, the most military resources, the most shipping everyone in Hawaii depends on, and the most airport resources.

True, there are airports on other islands, but they are ill equipped and manned to handle the overflow demand cused by the potential loss of the HNL/Hickam airports.

Not only that, but the majority of state government resides there.  I don't know what kind of contingent government this state could muster should the leadership be captured or killed.

If it came down to it, a hostile nation with the right strategies and tactics could prevent shipping to the islands and even shoot down a few planes to cut off supplies.  It would not take too long before the people are being starved out.  We still need oil & gas to make electricity and operate most cars, buses, trucks, and heavy machinery.  We also still need to obtain medicines and other critical products just to sustain life.

Once the supplies on hand run out, if we can't rely on commercial or government transports to supply us, we're basically in the position of self-sustainment or take to the seas in small craft (Cuban boat people ring a bell?).  Waiting to surrender and be taken care of by the enemy doesn't appeal to me.
" It would not take too long before the people are being starved out. "
I've thought about this at length.
I have a "hobby farm" and I'm surrounded by the same, as well as Farms that operate as a full time business
and ranches with thousands of head of cattle.  Plus I'm one of those "Prepper" types.
Tools, food, water, et al, survival stuff.

The problem as I see it is the towns, where people can't/won't do that sort of preparation.
Lucky the BI has a small population that is concentrated in a few towns, very far apart in very challenging
terrain.  I'm sure I will live in 18th century style with no problem.

Oahu isn't so lucky.
No offense to Oahu guys but Honolulu will not be missed.

If everything goes the "A Canticle for Leibowitz" route you have what you have.

Good luck and God speed.
 :wave:



DocMercy

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #479 on: March 08, 2022, 01:31:35 PM »
Lighten up everyone. Just get your head inside all the fake news and humor.



Latest news is that Steven Seagal is landing at Honolulu airport on his private jet. He and Wesley Snipes will man the ABM sites to guard us against any incoming missiles.

My hazmat suits and geiger counter are due to arrive by Saturday. Don't worry, be nappy.