Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 360829 times)

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #740 on: March 18, 2022, 10:30:13 PM »
Commentary on today's phone call between Biden and Xi.


ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #741 on: March 18, 2022, 10:37:06 PM »
Deeds Not Words

ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #742 on: March 18, 2022, 10:38:06 PM »
Deeds Not Words

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #743 on: March 19, 2022, 07:03:43 AM »
Commentary on today's phone call between Biden and Xi.




I usually get bored fast with these types of geo-political matters but the professor does a wonderful job of presenting his opinions and observations.

And yeah, agree that the tragedy in modern times is that truth is no longer on the top of the list and that the words of politicians and world leaders are just farts coming out of the wrong hole.

Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #744 on: March 19, 2022, 07:22:49 AM »
I usually get bored fast with these types of geo-political matters but the professor does a wonderful job of presenting his opinions and observations.

And yeah, agree that the tragedy in modern times is that truth is no longer on the top of the list and that the words of politicians and world leaders are just farts coming out of the wrong hole.
That American professor typically posts a number of video commentaries on current geopolitical events and provides a near unbiased assessment based on his background in international relations.

In the video I posted, he makes clear that the West's position regarding the Ukrainian conflict is not shared by those countries that do matter.  Although the MSM makes no secret and highlights the fact that China will not obviously go along with the West against Russia, the professor, however, shares how the MSN is not making widely known that a nuclear armed India is also not having any part of those sanctions against Russia as well, not to mention Saudi Arabia's overt decision to sell their oil in Chinese yuan and how the US empire was testing to see if Iran and Venezuela would be willing to sell oil to them.

If anything, the professor's commentaries provide a strong public service to understand and explain why the current machinations against Russia by the US empire and its dominion is very short-sighted due to the global economic repercussions of its bellicose policy against Russia and China.

DocMercy

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #745 on: March 19, 2022, 09:10:10 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-claims-first-use-of-hypersonic-missile/ar-AAVgv8l

First use of a hypersonic missile in Ukraine war. Putin upping his game.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #746 on: March 20, 2022, 12:24:53 AM »
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-claims-first-use-of-hypersonic-missile/ar-AAVgv8l

First use of a hypersonic missile in Ukraine war. Putin upping his game.
Use of this for a target 100km away is a waste

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groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #747 on: March 20, 2022, 10:18:49 AM »
Use of this for a target 100km away is a waste

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Probably just so they market it as "proven in Battle".
Russians sell military stuff also, just like we do.
 :popcorn:

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #748 on: March 20, 2022, 12:03:44 PM »
Technically we didn't have to use nukes on Japan either.
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #749 on: March 20, 2022, 12:19:53 PM »
Technically we didn't have to use nukes on Japan either.

We didn't have to fight at all.  We could have surrendered after PH and lived under the Japanese Empire's rule.

 :wacko:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #750 on: March 20, 2022, 02:35:41 PM »
We didn't have to fight at all.  We could have surrendered after PH and lived under the Japanese Empire's rule.

 :wacko:

The Japanese were about to surrender. Truman wanted to test the bomb on a human population, so it was a war crime for science. Kind of like the Kung Flu, actually.

This makes me wonder though if the Ukraine conflict might be wrapping up. Are we in the "let's try out our new toys while we still have a chance" phase?
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #751 on: March 20, 2022, 02:52:25 PM »
Ukraine pres consolidates news agencies i to 1. Hmmmm....

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #752 on: March 20, 2022, 03:12:31 PM »
The Japanese were about to surrender. Truman wanted to test the bomb on a human population, so it was a war crime for science. Kind of like the Kung Flu, actually.

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I missed that in my studies.  What I remember was this:

Quote
The invasion of Japan promised to be the bloodiest seaborne attack of all time,
conceivably 10 times as costly as the Normandy invasion in terms of Allied
casualties. On July 16, a new option became available when the United States
secretly detonated the world’s first atomic bomb in the New Mexico desert.
Ten days later, the Allies issued the Potsdam Declaration, demanding the
“unconditional surrender of all the Japanese armed forces.” Failure to comply would
mean “the inevitable and complete destruction of the Japanese armed forces and
just as inevitable the utter devastation of the Japanese homeland.” On July 28,
Japanese Prime Minister Kantaro Suzuki responded by telling the press that his
government was “paying no attention” to the Allied ultimatum.
U.S. President
Harry S. Truman ordered the devastation to proceed, and on August 6, the U.S.
B-29 bomber Enola Gay dropped an atomic bomb on the Japanese city of Hiroshima,
killing an estimated 80,000 people and fatally wounding thousands more.

Doesn't sound like Japan was "about to surrender."

Quote
After the Hiroshima attack, a faction of Japan’s supreme war council favored acceptance
of the Potsdam Declaration, but the majority resisted unconditional surrender. On August 8,
Japan’s desperate situation took another turn for the worse when the USSR declared war
against Japan. The next day, Soviet forces attacked in Manchuria, rapidly overwhelming
Japanese positions there, and a second U.S. atomic bomb was dropped on the Japanese
coastal city of Nagasaki.

Just before midnight on August 9, Japanese Emperor Hirohito convened the supreme war
council. After a long, emotional debate, he backed a proposal by Prime Minister Suzuki in
which Japan would accept the Potsdam Declaration “with the understanding that said
Declaration does not compromise any demand that prejudices the prerogatives of His Majesty
as the sovereign ruler.” The council obeyed Hirohito’s acceptance of peace, and on August 10
the message was relayed to the United States.

Early on August 12, the United States answered that “the authority of the emperor and the
Japanese government to rule the state shall be subject to the Supreme Commander of the
Allied Powers.” After two days of debate about what this statement implied, Emperor Hirohito
brushed the nuances in the text aside and declared that peace was preferable to destruction.
He ordered the Japanese government to prepare a text accepting surrender.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/japan-surrenders

There are those who tell different stories, but not many have the credibility needed to fully back it up.

Harry S Truman’s Decision to Use the Atomic Bomb
https://www.nps.gov/articles/trumanatomicbomb.htm
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

robtmc

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #753 on: March 20, 2022, 03:35:17 PM »
I missed that in my studies.  What I remember was this:
No mention of the 700,000 Japanese troops in Manchuria that could have been used in a defense of the homeland.

My father survived the battle of Okinawa.   I sincerely doubt any survivor of that will claim that we should have just went ahead with an invasion.

After all the butchery the Japanese did, total annihilation was the only end with justice.

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #754 on: March 20, 2022, 03:53:13 PM »
Ukraine pres consolidates news agencies i to 1. Hmmmm....

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Citing martial law, I guess he's trying to cut down on misinformation.  I dunno.  Don't know what to believe nowadays.

Another thing I find strange that is so different than say, WW2 as far as handling of prisoners and also the conduct of the prisoners themselves.  These Russian soldiers alleged to have been captured sure run their mouths like Chattering Cathy's.

Whatever happened to Name, Rank, and Serial Number.  Then STFU.

Man, the way they disparage Pootin and Russian leadership then acknowledge their atrocities, I would figure they are as good as dead when they get home. 

Or should they even attempt to go home.

Which poses the question:  How credible are some of these videos out there.  (Ukrainians and Russians look similar, just saying......)
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #755 on: March 20, 2022, 04:10:46 PM »
No mention of the 700,000 Japanese troops in Manchuria that could have been used in a defense of the homeland.

My father survived the battle of Okinawa.   I sincerely doubt any survivor of that will claim that we should have just went ahead with an invasion.

After all the butchery the Japanese did, total annihilation was the only end with justice.

I could never understand what your dad must have gone through and I hope I never do.

That said there were other options on the table, but our propaganda machines have plenty of practice justifying and covering up war crimes over the last century.

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/august/06/truman-s-war-crimes-at-hiroshima-and-nagasaki/

It's one of the reasons I don't listen to the play by play of the Ukraine situation. It's safe to assume most of what we hear are lies.

Keeping track of all the times we are lied to helps to counteract the "goldfish memory mode" that the intelligence community tries to impose on us.
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

robtmc

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #756 on: March 20, 2022, 04:17:08 PM »
I could never understand what your dad must have gone through and I hope I never do.
My father died before "The Pacific" came out.

He was a navy corpsman and saw the worst.

I suspect it would have made his recurring nightmares worse.  Guadalcanal, Guam, and Okinawa.
No tolerance for WWII Pacific campaign revisionists.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #757 on: March 20, 2022, 05:50:10 PM »
No tolerance for WWII Pacific campaign revisionists.

I respect his sacrifice but the price of not holding a criminal government accountable is that it happens again and again and again...
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #758 on: March 20, 2022, 07:59:56 PM »
I respect his sacrifice but the price of not holding a criminal government accountable is that it happens again and again and again...

So, we should have let 500,000 to 1M allied soldiers, sailors and airmen die trying to invade and combat Japan?

And don't pretend we were bombing a country that wasn't itself committing war crimes in massive numbers.  How long would that have gone on if they hadn't been defeated?  WWI and WWII were basically one event for Japan.  Their crimes spanned decades.

If you have an hour or so, maybe read through this summary:

Japanese war crimes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

The surprise attack on Pearl Harbor while pretending they were seeking diplomatic relations with the US is a glaring example of what they believed in.  They talked a big game about honor, but when it came to warfare, they employed any means necessary no matter how criminal or dishonorable.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #759 on: March 20, 2022, 09:54:51 PM »
Very lengthy, but great review and insight thus far on the Ukrainian conflict with Scott Ritter.