Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 298745 times)

rpoL98

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2022, 01:17:26 PM »
I wonder what Putin and biden will talk about today.

Will Putin laugh?

Will Putin get angry?

Will Putin do both?

I don't have much confidence with biden at the helm.  I'm actually quite terrified at what may come from their conversation.  (Maybe he'll call Putin a horse-faced pony soldier.....)
maybe when Biden called Putin, Putin put him on hold, with menu prompts in russian, and then Biden proceeded to read from his approved script for the next hour while listening to russian menu prompts.  concluded with "good talk, buddy".

 :D

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2022, 03:06:48 PM »
Would Kermit and the Dems allow citizens to train like that if a threat faced Hawaii?
No way. They would allow the invaders to come and even assist them after. HPD would also allow all gun records to be accessed (no attempt to destroy).


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groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2022, 03:56:59 PM »

So basically copy Afghanistan?
Worked for them!
Never argue with success.
Those guys obviously read "the art of war" and USA politicians have not.

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2022, 11:00:12 AM »
Would Kermit and the Dems allow citizens to train like that if a threat faced Hawaii?

No way. They would allow the invaders to come and even assist them after. HPD would also allow all gun records to be accessed (no attempt to destroy).


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Kermit would be out there holding leis in front of a welcoming red carpet.  The Dems would be lining the streets cheering and throwing confetti and flowers.

The rest of us will be locked and loaded, finally putting all our hoarded ammunition to eventual good use.  The enemy is coming.  HPD told them where the guns are.

Like Leonidas told the hunchback traitor:  "You there.... (kermit and the dems) may you live forever...."




Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

DocMercy

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2022, 02:30:22 PM »
The brave people of Ukraine are having an existential moment. Last minute preparations are usually ineffective. Ammo, scopes, weapons, medicine, food and body armor need to be stockpiled months in advance. GLTA.

aaronc5362

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #65 on: February 14, 2022, 11:02:35 PM »
The brave people of Ukraine are having an existential moment. Last minute preparations are usually ineffective. Ammo, scopes, weapons, medicine, food and body armor need to be stockpiled months in advance. GLTA.



Some knowledge is better than nothing. And if all else fails, hope can lead to a better outcome... Hopefully.

rpoL98

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #66 on: February 14, 2022, 11:10:55 PM »
The brave people of Ukraine are having an existential moment. Last minute preparations are usually ineffective. Ammo, scopes, weapons, medicine, food and body armor need to be stockpiled months in advance. GLTA.


the guy in the back, with the orange/brown jacket, damn, he's got one of these super-outlaw ghost guns!

rpoL98

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #67 on: February 14, 2022, 11:23:55 PM »

Kermit would be out there holding leis in front of a welcoming red carpet.  The Dems would be lining the streets cheering and throwing confetti and flowers.

The rest of us will be locked and loaded, finally putting all our hoarded ammunition to eventual good use.  The enemy is coming.  HPD told them where the guns are.

Like Leonidas told the hunchback traitor:  "You there.... (kermit and the dems) may you live forever...."
isn't that what happened with Vichy France?

groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #68 on: February 15, 2022, 07:55:26 AM »
Looks like the Russians are returning to their normal bases.
They accomplished what they wanted.  Prove to the world that USA
run by Democrats is weak and dangerous.
Like a spider monkey with a loaded gun.
 :wacko:

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #69 on: February 15, 2022, 08:46:36 AM »
Looks like the Russians are returning to their normal bases.  They accomplished what they wanted.  Prove to the world that USA run by Democrats is weak and dangerous.  Like a spider monkey with a loaded gun. :wacko:
The reason the US empire is showing signs of weakness is not solely because of one cheek of the same buttock or the democrats, but because the US empire is in decline since it can no longer effectively exploit other nations with their monopoly of the petrodollar and making other nations privatize their state-run industries to be further exploited by the US empire's ultrawealthy.  Competing currencies for trade such as the Euro, commodity-backed currencies, and cryptocurrencies are still eroding petrodollar global control.  In addition, nations like Russia, China, Venezuela, etc. who continually refuse to privatize their state-run enterprises and not play by-the-rules of finance capitalism set forth by the thieves on Wall Street also prevents the corporations of the US empire's ultrawealthy profiting from their respective balance sheets.  As the status of affairs continues, it will be game over for the US empire, unless it can reset the global financial order again through war.

As for the Ukraine-Russia situation, I pray tensions ease; but if US empire and its puppet NATO do not give Russia their security guarantees, WWIII is still on the table, which is exactly what the whole crises is about.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #70 on: February 15, 2022, 08:50:30 AM »
WWIII is still on the table, which is exactly what the whole crises is about.

No it’s not. For someone who’s identity is all wrapped up in decolonization you sure bite down hard on the propaganda bait. Nothing is going to happen. This is all a distraction for Biden’s endless failures and dismal poll numbers.
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #71 on: February 15, 2022, 09:02:52 AM »
Nothing is going to happen. This is all a distraction for Biden’s endless failures and dismal poll numbers.
Of course, the current senior citizen sitting in the White House wants every distraction his handlers can get.  However, that still does not nullify Russia's legitimate concerns regarding US empire / NATO expansion into Ukraine and positioning missile launchers in NATO countries bordering Russia that are within effective striking distance to Moscow.

To say otherwise, is to say there is a deal between the current US imperial government and Russia to artificially create the current tensions in Ukraine for the implicit covert purpose that allows hand puppet Biden to regain positive polling numbers.  Putin is not a stooge for the US empire.
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hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #72 on: February 15, 2022, 09:31:39 AM »
To say otherwise, is to say there is a deal between the current US imperial government and Russia to artificially create the current tensions in Ukraine for the implicit covert purpose that allows hand puppet Biden to regain positive polling numbers.  Putin is not a stooge for the US empire.

The problem is that your entire world view is based around bi-polarization (USA bad everyone else good) which limits your ability to interpret complex situations. All Russia has to do right now is let Brandon make a fool of himself and stay vigilant for false flags. The US does not have the capability to project the sort of military power that would be necessary for any outcome that could be even remotely regarded as successful. Meanwhile Europe is starting to realize that they are backed into a corner when it comes to energy, so it makes sense for Russia to wait for NATO to collapse and Ukraine to join them willingly.
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #73 on: February 15, 2022, 10:02:05 AM »
The problem is that your entire world view is based around bi-polarization (USA bad everyone else good) which limits your ability to interpret complex situations. All Russia has to do right now is let Brandon make a fool of himself and stay vigilant for false flags. The US does not have the capability to project the sort of military power that would be necessary for any outcome that could be even remotely regarded as successful. Meanwhile Europe is starting to realize that they are backed into a corner when it comes to energy, so it makes sense for Russia to wait for NATO to collapse and Ukraine to join them willingly.
Aside from your personal attacks, your position is also very presumptive in that you believe that Putin's best move is to do nothing.  Your position as held by most pro-American domination readers is very arrogant in refusing to acknowledge Russia's displeasure with NATO expansion and its missile capability that are currently positioned right on Russia's doorsteps.  Your added suggestion for Putin to just wait for NATO's demise is also one that would be a best outcome for Russia but is entirely unrealistic given the ongoing imperial machinations by the US empire.

One thing I do agree with you is Europe's dependance on Russian energy, which is the only saving grace to avert a potential NATO-Russia conflict.  However, you said it yourself, the possibility of false flags instigated by the US empire can thwart that peaceful outcome at any time and make WWIII a reality.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #74 on: February 15, 2022, 12:07:00 PM »
… given the ongoing imperial machinations by the US empire.

It’s not a personal attack as much as an observation that your posts read like a Star Wars opening scroll. We get it. You hate the United States.
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #75 on: February 15, 2022, 12:28:03 PM »
It’s not a personal attack as much as an observation that your posts read like a Star Wars opening scroll. We get it. You hate the United States.
Once again, you do not address or even acknowledge what Putin and Russia has been saying all along.  The US empire needs to stop expanding NATO and placing missile launchers close to Russia's borders.

And no, I do not hate the United States.  I hate what it has allowed itself to become, the US empire.  Ultrawealthy controlling everything, stolen elections, warmongering, illegal invasion and overthrows, etc.

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #76 on: February 15, 2022, 12:31:45 PM »
It’s not a personal attack as much as an observation that your posts read like a Star Wars opening scroll. We get it. You hate the United States.

cries "personal attack" when he always posts that everyone else on site supports US empire...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #77 on: February 15, 2022, 12:38:20 PM »
Once again, you do not address or even acknowledge what Putin and Russia has been saying all along.  The US empire needs to stop expanding NATO and placing missile launchers close to Russia's borders.

And no, I do not hate the United States.  I hate what it has allowed itself to become, the US empire.  Ultrawealthy controlling everything, stolen elections, warmongering, illegal invasion and overthrows, etc.

If the US supports its allies by helping them position defensive missiles in their own countries, it's not something Russia needs to use as a reason for their own aggressions.  If the US were not helping out NATO partners to do that, do you honestly believe those countries would not do it for themselves -- which may involve buying said missiles from the US?

Countries have a right to protect their sovereignty.  How they do it is possibly up for debate.  But Russia can't pretend those defensive weapons are a provocation.

Imagine if the home invader brought an illegal gun into your home, then tried to have the gun charges dropped predicated on the fact he knew you also owned guns.  He's trying to rationalize and justify needing a gun based on you doing something legally that might get him shot.

Give me a break.

Russia is a very large place even after the break-up of the Soviet Union.  Having missile launchers close to the borders ensures a quick and decisive retaliation should the need arise.  I see nothing wrong with NATO countries having these defensive weapons systems.  So far, they seem to have had a great deterrent effect.  Imagine if Kuwait had had such defenses ...
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #78 on: February 15, 2022, 12:49:11 PM »
If the US supports its allies by helping them position defensive missiles in their own countries, it's not something Russia needs to use as a reason for their own aggressions.  If the US were not helping out NATO partners to do that, do you honestly believe those countries would not do it for themselves -- which may involve buying said missiles from the US?

Countries have a right to protect their sovereignty.  How they do it is possibly up for debate.  But Russia can't pretend those defensive weapons are a provocation.

Imagine if the home invader brought an illegal gun into your home, then tried to have the gun charges dropped predicated on the fact he knew you also owned guns.  He's trying to rationalize and justify needing a gun based on you doing something legally that might get him shot.

Give me a break.

Russia is a very large place even after the break-up of the Soviet Union.  Having missile launchers close to the borders ensures a quick and decisive retaliation should the need arise.  I see nothing wrong with NATO countries having these defensive weapons systems.  So far, they seem to have had a great deterrent effect.  Imagine if Kuwait had had such defenses ...
So, if Russia and China strike a deal with Mexico and Canada to have military bases on their respective soil and, hence, Russian and Chinese missile launchers on the borders of the continental US, you would be ok with that?

It is amazing to see how the attitude about Russia and/or China as being always the aggressors no matter what the situation, when it is the US empire that has illegally invaded more sovereign nations than any other country without a formal declaration of war for the last 20 years; thereby, delegating the US Constitution as nothing but a piece of meaningless paper.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #79 on: February 15, 2022, 12:54:08 PM »
I've always questioned this. Who made it OK for the US to have bases and build ups in other countries, but other countries cannot do the same?  Like when Russia and Cuba had a deal, we almost went to war over it. But yet at the time, the US has missiles located close enough to Russia.

I began to question this when I was in high school with the N.Korea nuke thing. It really should not be our business what other countries do, unless we are the official world police.  Like not OK for N. Korea, but OK for China, Russia, Japan, etc...