Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 298735 times)

ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #120 on: February 19, 2022, 10:16:10 AM »
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #121 on: February 19, 2022, 10:20:24 AM »
Putin telling it like it is, regarding the imposed silence of the US empire's vassal states on the current Ukraine-Russia crisis and prophesizing their eventual exodus of that empire.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #122 on: February 19, 2022, 11:46:11 AM »
RT :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

As opposed to what... MSNBC? NYT? WAPO?
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #123 on: February 19, 2022, 12:01:16 PM »
I guess the WMD hysteria has been used up -- plus it really doesn't apply to Russia, since they've had nukes for nearly as long as we have

According to this report, Russia "could" invade by the end of the Olympics. 

So, does that mean the US needs to take action? 
Deploy troops and equipment? 
Ramp up defense spending to replace all the expensive stuff the administration left for the terrorists? 
Start activating the guard and reserves? 
Recall military members with critical skills and experience to active duty?
Put the points of the nuclear triad on alert?
Kick out all foreign nationals in the US with Russian ties?

What, exactly, needs to be done BEFORE Russia does anything of consequence?  And, even if they do, what makes anyone think we'll retaliate against Putin with force?

I think this is going to be a lesson in diplomacy -- one which Biden apparently failed to grasp the last time.  When Obama, Biden and Kerry all said the use of chemical agents in Syria crossed some mythical red line, and that Russia was backing that action, they threatened "boots on the ground," which in effect was taking the first step toward a conflict we were in no position to fight.

Then Putin stepped in, and he got the problem resolved diplomatically, making Obama and Kerry look like war-mongering asses.  Well, they sort-of did it to themselves by acting like war-mongering asses.

So, here we are with Obama Light, staring at yet another confrontation that could drag the country into another military conflict we should avoid.

If Ukraine is actually invaded, the US will likely treat them as an ally and provide military and financial aid.  Best thing for the US would be for it to be over quickly no matter who comes out on top. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #124 on: February 19, 2022, 12:30:33 PM »
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-defense-chief-says-low-probability-major-conflict-russia-contradicting-biden
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"Our intelligence sees every move that could pose a potential threat to Ukraine. We estimate the probability of a large-scale escalation as low," Reznikov said.
The fact that Ukraine's defense chief, who is certainly closer to the situation than anyone at the White House, directly contradicted Biden's words is no minor thing.

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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #125 on: February 19, 2022, 02:11:59 PM »
To the disappointment of the US empire, Russia will not invade Ukraine proper.  The only hope the US empire has to start WWIII in Ukraine is if Russia decides to militarily defend the current Russian-speaking regions in its East that are currently being attacked by pro-American Ukrainian forces in order claim it as a part of the US empire's vassal state of Ukraine.  If that happens, then the US empire can point to a so-called Russian invasion and WWIII can begin.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #126 on: February 19, 2022, 02:14:49 PM »
So, here we are with Obama Light, staring at yet another confrontation that could drag the country into another military conflict we should avoid.
"Obama Light."  If you referring to the current US imperial puppet in-charge, I think it's more like "Obama empty."    :shaka:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #127 on: February 19, 2022, 02:40:32 PM »
"Obama Light."  If you referring to the current US imperial puppet in-charge, I think it's more like "Obama empty."    :shaka:

"Light" is on a spectrum.

I learned that in physics class.   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #128 on: February 19, 2022, 02:46:56 PM »
"Light" is on a spectrum.

I learned that in physics class.   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
If so, that spectrum can't apply, since the person we are referring to lives and works in his own vacuum (cleaner). 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #129 on: February 19, 2022, 02:52:10 PM »
If so, that spectrum can't apply, since the person we are referring to lives and works in his own vacuum (cleaner).

I almost used the legally-sanctioned spelling of "LITE", since I had a feeling "Light" would be contentious.   :rofl:

"Obama Light?  You mean his skin color?" and so on...

Can't win for losing.   :crazy:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

mrgaf

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #130 on: February 19, 2022, 05:10:02 PM »
I almost used the legally-sanctioned spelling of "LITE", since I had a feeling "Light" would be contentious.   :rofl:

"Obama Light?  You mean his skin color?" and so on...

Can't win for losing.   :crazy:

Meh….it’s all good 😊
« Last Edit: February 20, 2022, 07:45:23 AM by mrgaf »
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aaronc5362

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #131 on: February 19, 2022, 07:21:17 PM »

aaronc5362

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #132 on: February 20, 2022, 10:44:44 AM »
Do you guys think or feel that if this war happens...

Ammo prices gonna go up again?

I never owned guns when 2001 happened, cause I was in high school. Did it go up then?

groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #133 on: February 20, 2022, 11:43:30 AM »
Do you guys think or feel that if this war happens...

Ammo prices gonna go up again?

I never owned guns when 2001 happened, cause I was in high school. Did it go up then?
Anytime there is a major hiccup on the world stage, ammo prices go up.
Anytime Democrats get elected, ammo prices go up.
The only time I saw ammo prices go down was when Reagan was president.
Since then Bush, Clinton, Bush II Obama, and now Bidet prices will go up.
Last ammo I bought was 44 mag in Calif last year and that was PMC Premimum
at $1.25 per round.
It was the only stuff available.
Seemed awfully high. 
I seemed to remember 50 rds for $10 but that was a few years back in WA state.
Pre-Clinton era.
Count on everything increasing in cost with the present US government.
 :wacko:


Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #134 on: February 20, 2022, 02:07:58 PM »
Do you guys think or feel that if this war happens...

Ammo prices gonna go up again?

I never owned guns when 2001 happened, cause I was in high school. Did it go up then?

In 2001, the fed cut the interest rates in half.  About a year later, the pre-2001 mortgage interest rates at around 12-13% dropped again to 3-4%.  Before that, people had equity in their homes they couldn't borrow against due to deflated home prices (the markets had been declining for almost a decade), and people couldn't afford to do what they wanted without their #1 investment having any liquidity short of selling.

When rates dropped every sector saw increased demand -- and rising prices.  I bought this house in Oct 2001, because I saw the market starting to heat up here.  I paid $383K, and last week my county tax appraisal came in for over $1M for the first time since I bought it.

I don't believe going to war in Iraq caused ammo prices to rise.  I think the policies and actions taken under Bush after 9/11 to keep us from collapsing caused a serious upswing in the economy.  That automatically caused increases in products, raw materials, wages and so on.

Then there's the money borrowed to finance the war.  That money was spent, further infusing money into the economy.

Lots more factors that caused prices to rise than just the existence of a war.  I think the 9/11 attack, and the administration's response to it, were more likely factors than the war itself.

The military has its own ammo plants.  So, an increase in demand there, to a point, shouldn't affect prices on the civilian market.  However, I've never read anything about where they get their materials.  If they are competing for materials with private factories, then I suppose that could cause a rise in ammunition prices.  Something tells me they routinely buy in such large quantities, they have enough on hand to handle any increases in production for at least a couple of years.

I have wished someone would give details on the lifecycle of an ammo round from raw material to operator use.  But, I can imagine they don't want the supply chain details made public over concerns it could be disrupted during a time of increased production.

https://coffeeordie.com/lake-city-ammo-plant/
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

DocMercy

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #135 on: February 21, 2022, 07:03:33 AM »
As this stage of human development, even ordinary people seem to think preparedness for violence is the new norm. The fight for survival seems to be something you had better hone your skills for, now and in the future.

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Putin overheard in a secret conference: "He said there's a storm coming in."

Vlad is getting crazier each day. Must be all the blood he's been drinking on the side. He has the pretty women in Ukraine more fearful of death than rape.



https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-reservist-learns-fighting-skills-184211155.html



QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #136 on: February 21, 2022, 08:17:38 AM »
Ukraine to Russia:  Are you invading today?

Russia:  No.  Why?

Ukraine: biden, harris, and blinkon said it was inevitable.

Russia:  LOL!  So what did they say now?

Ukraine:  Inevitable within the next few days.

Russia:  Ok.  Thanks.

Ukraine:  So are you gonna invade, or not?

Russia:  I dunno.  Ask the 3 Stooges (biden, harris, and blinkon)  LOL!!  I got them running around in circles and shitting upon themselves and each other.  I'm enjoying all of this.

Ukraine:  Yeah.  Hard to believe they lead the United States of America.  So what are you gonna do now?

Russia:  I need some laughs.  I might go on You Tube to watch the MSM and every other nickel and dime news media jump at every little thing those clowns from the USA say or do........
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #137 on: February 21, 2022, 08:41:06 AM »
Ukraine to Russia:  Are you invading today?

Russia:  No.  Why?

Ukraine: biden, harris, and blinkon said it was inevitable.

Russia:  LOL!  So what did they say now?

Ukraine:  Inevitable within the next few days.

Russia:  Ok.  Thanks.

Ukraine:  So are you gonna invade, or not?

Russia:  I dunno.  Ask the 3 Stooges (biden, harris, and blinkon)  LOL!!  I got them running around in circles and shitting upon themselves and each other.  I'm enjoying all of this.

Ukraine:  Yeah.  Hard to believe they lead the United States of America.  So what are you gonna do now?

Russia:  I need some laughs.  I might go on You Tube to watch the MSM and every other nickel and dime news media jump at every little thing those clowns from the USA say or do........
TBH, the opening shots of WWIII are all set to begin.

All this mental and psychological conditioning from the US imperial corporate-led MSM is prepping Americans and her vassal states for a war that clearly the US empire wants.

The real event that the planet needs to be on-guard is the presumptive false-flag attack covertly conducted by US imperial paid mercenaries that have finished their contract to destabilize Syria to now start trouble in Ukraine, therefore, triggering Russia's military defensive response.

aaronc5362

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #138 on: February 21, 2022, 08:52:22 AM »
Kind of subject but the kingsmans kinda recently came out on hbomax. It had to with war between russia, britain, and a lil bit of u.s. and some other countries. For those who havent watched it yet. It was pretty good.

Just kinda ironic that I seen thos/ came out on hbomax when all this is about to possibly escalate dramatically.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #139 on: February 21, 2022, 08:57:06 AM »
Nobody wants a hot war. This is about stating a new Cold War so that our military industrial complex can continue feeding at the trough with fresh contracts now that the War on Terror fizzled out.

Candace Owens is right.. We should be lining up at the Canadian border getting ready to free them from the totalitarian regime that just took over.
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