Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 298840 times)

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #220 on: February 24, 2022, 01:39:41 PM »

https://www.npr.org/2022/02/22/1082478790/trump-praises-putin-as-savvy-amid-new-escalations-on-russia-ukraine-border

It is clear that Trump, Putin and Tucker Carlson are on the wrong side of history. The problem with self-proclaimed geniuses (these 3 men, and Adolf Hitler) is that time shows they are idiots, and hooligans. Trust no one.


did you watch the whole thing or look at the transcript to see the rest of what trump said, or you only reacting to the NPR story?

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #221 on: February 24, 2022, 01:40:49 PM »
Trump likely has loans outstanding to Russian Oligarchs. This is why he is so subservient to Putin.

you're gonna go with "likely"?
cool story, bro...

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #222 on: February 24, 2022, 01:42:56 PM »
I call B.S. to all these claims. Trump wanted to weaken NATO as a favor to his Bro, Putin. Trump did zippo to fund the U.S. military in countering Russian and Chinese hypersonic missiles. He probably choked off the NSA and FBI in developing algorithms to stop Russian cyber attacks, and to strengthen our resilience to ransomware. His supporters were so stupid that they could not kidnap a single Congressperson or Senator during the Jan. 6 coup d'etat attempt. Navy SEALS got in and out of Osama Bin Laden's compound and killed the motherf*ka in less time than the clowns who invaded the Capitol. Mr. Bone Spurs in Chief knew as little about military tactics as the leader of F-Troop. And if you think the Trumpster cared one thing about the native Hawaiians, you would also be under the delusion that Hitler loved Jews.

Any Russian lover, here is more good news. The MOEX index went down 33% today. (Coincidentally, similar to the decline in the S&P 500 index during Trump's reign.)

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-stocks-suffer-third-worst-151031326.html

That's hilarious!  Did you get this from The Onion?  MSNBC?  Vox?

You have no idea WHAT Trump did with regards to the military, NATO or funding, because that part of the Swamp we call The Pentagon was LYING to Trump, giving him false SITREPS on the orders he gave them while completely ignoring his directives.

After your last dozen or so fantasy posts on various issues, I've come to believe you've stumbled across a grove of magic mushrooms.

Enjoy your trips through the looking glass, but try hiding the laptop and cell phone until the effect wear off.  You'll thank me later!   :geekdanc: :thumbsup:
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #223 on: February 24, 2022, 01:59:36 PM »
That's hilarious!  Did you get this from The Onion?  MSNBC?  Vox?

You have no idea WHAT TArump did with regards to the military, NATO or funding, because that part of the Swamp we call The Pentagon was LYING to Trump, giving him false SITREPS on the orders he gave them while completely ignoring his directives.



I am no mind reader so I won't pretend to know what Trump was thinking, however I will point out that having a more isolationist stance that reduces support of NATO would serve to help Putin. Are these related or just a coincidence? Just saying.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #224 on: February 24, 2022, 02:04:01 PM »
I am no mind reader so I won't pretend to know what Trump was thinking, however I will point out that having a more isolationist stance that reduces support of NATO would serve to help Putin. Are these related or just a coincidence? Just saying.

There's a difference between putting your own country's needs FIRST and "isolationism."

Think about it.  Supporting NATO and your own country do not need to be mutually exclusive.  In fact, the stronger the US is able to become, the more resources and power we have to support NATO.

I fail to see how Trump enacted any policies that reduced our support to NATO.  We were providing more than our fair share.  We asked others to increase their support so we were not getting "stuck with the check" every time NATO decided to hold a dinner meeting.

Nothing "isolationist" about any of that.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #225 on: February 24, 2022, 02:15:34 PM »
There's a difference between putting your own country's needs FIRST and "isolationism."

Think about it.  Supporting NATO and your own country do not need to be mutually exclusive.  In fact, the stronger the US is able to become, the more resources and power we have to support NATO.

I fail to see how Trump enacted any policies that reduced our support to NATO.  We were providing more than our fair share.  We asked others to increase their support so we were not getting "stuck with the check" every time NATO decided to hold a dinner meeting.

Nothing "isolationist" about any of that.

I was not accusing Trump of being an isolationist. Just that on the spectrum his not wanting to be in so many wars with troops fighting other people's battles are more towards the isolationist side than the world police side.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #226 on: February 24, 2022, 02:20:45 PM »
I was not accusing Trump of being an isolationist. Just that on the spectrum his not wanting to be in so many wars with troops fighting other people's battles are more towards the isolationist side than the world police side.

That's a weak backtrack attempt.

If you didn't MEAN he was an isolationist, why even use the word?  Or at least, explain what you mean the FIRST time.  Failure to be more accurate in your meaning is misleading and often borderline dishonest.

Trump is a businessman.  He believes agreements between nations should be upheld by the people representing those nations.  To say that's "leaning toward" any political end of whatever spectrum you're thinking of is just plain wrong.  He's not thinking in terms of politics or any "-ism," but in terms of what was agreed to and whether the US should continue to let them get a free ride on us.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #227 on: February 24, 2022, 02:23:01 PM »
How dare Ukraine, a sovereign nation, consider joining NATO?
Should they not be allowed to ally with certain other countries if they want to?
They actually did make that decision prior to the US imperial-backed Maidan Revolution that installed a pro-US regime in Kiev to prevent their attempts to better economically link with Russia in 2014.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #228 on: February 24, 2022, 02:28:08 PM »
And if you think the Trumpster cared one thing about the native Hawaiians, you would also be under the delusion that Hitler loved Jews.
For all Trump's personal faults, he was not a warmonger or imperialist.

Whether Trump cared for Hawaiians or simply himself is irrelevant at this point given the high probability that the Power Okole controlling the US empire is very close into further starting WWIII.

groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #229 on: February 24, 2022, 02:43:41 PM »
I was not accusing Trump of being an isolationist. Just that on the spectrum his not wanting to be in so many wars with troops fighting other people's battles are more towards the isolationist side than the world police side.
Do you play Chess?
There are a few ways to do it well.  They are not significantly different than going through life.
Probe, defense, offense, rinse and repeat.
Do those four actions in any order that allows you to win.
 :thumbsup:

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #230 on: February 24, 2022, 02:46:42 PM »
For all Trump's personal faults, he was not a warmonger or imperialist.

Whether Trump cared for Hawaiians or simply himself is irrelevant at this point given the high probability that the Power Okole controlling the US empire is very close into further starting WWIII.

Trump cares for Hawaii just as much as, if not more than, Obama ever has.

I don't think where one prefers to vacation is an indication otherwise.  Going to FL burns much less fuel and wastes much less time than dragging the family and Secret Service details and vehicles to HI.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #231 on: February 24, 2022, 03:48:54 PM »
Cough
Annexation of Crimea
Cough Cough

That was Obama. Have you been smoking stuff out of the evidence room again?
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ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #232 on: February 24, 2022, 05:03:29 PM »
I think Russia qualifies for "imperialist" status
Deeds Not Words

aaronc5362

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #233 on: February 24, 2022, 05:30:33 PM »
This morning on the news they showed video of people in LONG LINES, trying to draw out money from the ATM's.

Ukranians, I love you to death, but you guys are so stupid sometimes...... :grrr:  By the look of those lines the ATM's will run out in no time.

Ditto for the gas stations.

Double Ditto for the grocery stores.

But with that being said, God Be with you All.

  Fight hard, but Fight Smart.  Toe to toe is not the answer here.  Draw this f**ker out as long as possible.  Strong sanctions and a prolonged and painful campaign might work.

In Kyiv or however you spell it, the prsident of Ukraine made a televised proposition. He basically said he will issue a gun (prob ak variant) to anyone who wants one. I think thats pretty cool. And I dont think if some country were to invade hawaii, they'll do that here. As far as I heard, their not allowing tasers to be sold to the general public, even though they have taken the "class". Lol. Wasted money.

ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #234 on: February 24, 2022, 05:34:28 PM »
this is what our local leaders would be...Mayor Bates equivalent

Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #235 on: February 24, 2022, 05:54:34 PM »
I think Russia qualifies for "imperialist" status
Not quite yet.

Using US empire standards, Russia still needs to orchestrate a bunch of color revolutions, a few more illegal invasions, and illegally occupy at least 3 nations like it currently does Iraq, Syria, and Hawaii, first.  Would have been 4 countries, but the US empire just de-occupied Afghanistan last year.   :shaka:

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #236 on: February 24, 2022, 06:12:25 PM »
If Mexico wanted to place Russian nukes on our border do you think we would just sit there and take it?

Oh right. We don’t have a border any more.
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #237 on: February 24, 2022, 06:21:23 PM »
If Mexico wanted to place Russian nukes on our border do you think we would just sit there and take it?

Oh right. We don’t have a border any more.
The US empire is more worried with the Ukraine border and willing to risk WWIII with Russia for it.

Question: What does that say for the defense of its own territorial borders? 

Answer: The need to make war with Russia to protect its global empire is more important than protecting its own populace.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #238 on: February 24, 2022, 06:24:06 PM »
If Mexico wanted to place Russian nukes on our border do you think we would just sit there and take it?

Oh right. We don’t have a border any more.
Maybe thats the goal. No boarder and nuke belong to the US. 4D chess

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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #239 on: February 24, 2022, 06:37:15 PM »
That was Obama. Have you been smoking stuff out of the evidence room again?

Cough
Annexation of Crimea
Cough Cough

He's hoping nobody calls him out on this, which is why the only thing he included of substance was "Crimea."

Even Wikipedia gets more points on facts than EEF ...... sad, really:

Quote
...during the 2014 Crimean crisis, the peninsula was taken over by Russia and a referendum on
whether to rejoin Russia was held. Shortly after the result in favour of joining Russia was announced,
Crimea was annexed by the Russian Federation as two federal subjects: the Republic of Crimea
and the federal city of Sevastopol.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Crimea

Who was President in 2014?  Oh, yeah, hvybarrels mentioned Obama.

More importantly, who was the "point man" for the Obama administration in Ukraine?

I believe his name sounds like "Brandon."

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4925439/user-clip-joe-biden-extortion
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw