Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 298864 times)

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #260 on: February 25, 2022, 03:36:06 PM »
"Ukraine give up ur nukes and we will protect u" era 1994.
Not if they join NATO and subsequently positions US imperial nukes aimed at Moscow.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #261 on: February 25, 2022, 03:40:18 PM »
Zelensky was chosen because he was corrupt enough to allow the wholesale theft of Ukrainian energy economy (Hunter who?) and gullible enough to believe that NATO would back him up after threatening to put nukes on Russia’s doorstep.

This is all about selling weapons and distracting from the catastrophic data showing a clot shot mass die off.
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RSN172

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #262 on: February 25, 2022, 03:44:25 PM »
Putin only doing wat Kennedy did in 1962. Us old guys rememba da Cuban missile crisis.  Would have had war if Nikita K neva back down.
Happily living in Puna

aletheuo137

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #263 on: February 25, 2022, 03:59:59 PM »
 

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groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #264 on: February 25, 2022, 04:20:38 PM »
Going to wander off subject here.
I used to work with some Ukrainians They had PhD's
and were more educated than I( I only have a BS).
They were pissed that when their  Daughter got ill here and required
to go to the ER, it cost $2000.
In the Ukraine the doctors would have made house calls
and it would have cost them nothing.

My point is our American life is very different from Slavic peoples
and trying to apply our value systems to them will fail.
Kind of like us trying to understand Mauna Kea and
the Hawaiian fascination with royalty. We just don't get it.

Americans aren't very good slaves.
 :worship:

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #265 on: February 25, 2022, 05:10:08 PM »
Americans aren't very good slaves.
I disagree.

Over time, the American people have become better slaves to their US empire.  The fact many Americans today accept the willful gutting of the US Constitution by both their major political parties as they see fit, geopolitically hate whatever nations the Power Okole tells them is their enemy, allow their democratically elected president be overthrown without a serious revolt, and turn a blind eye to all the deaths of innocent people brought upon their empire's imperial ambitions.

From an US imperial view, I think the Power Okole will say that they still have some of the best subject-citizens living within their dominion.

 :stopjack:

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #266 on: February 25, 2022, 06:26:14 PM »
I disagree.

Over time, the American people have become better slaves to their US empire.  The fact many Americans today accept the willful gutting of the US Constitution by both their major political parties as they see fit, geopolitically hate whatever nations the Power Okole tells them is their enemy, allow their democratically elected president be overthrown without a serious revolt, and turn a blind eye to all the deaths of innocent people brought upon their empire's imperial ambitions.

From an US imperial view, I think the Power Okole will say that they still have some of the best subject-citizens living within their dominion.

 :stopjack:
And people call to violate the constitution, MDA,ET and other anti 2a people. What the DNC is doing is working on the weak minded.



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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #267 on: February 25, 2022, 06:41:56 PM »
Putin telling the truth as it is, the ones doing most of the fighting against the Russians in Ukraine are not necessarily the common Ukrainian people, but those Neo-Nazis taking their orders from covert US imperial agents, who have been most responsible for the atrocities committed to the Russians living in Eastern Ukraine.


hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #268 on: February 25, 2022, 07:16:33 PM »
I have to say this Zelensky guy has a lot of heart. This is usually the moment where they are stuffing suitcases full of cash and jumping on the first helicopter like Karzai. Even after discovering this whole thing was a setup Z’s decided to stick it out until the end instead of being another puppet in exile.

https://www.rt.com/news/550677-us-offer-evacuate-zelensky/
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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #269 on: February 25, 2022, 08:15:27 PM »
I have to say this Zelensky guy has a lot of heart. This is usually the moment where they are stuffing suitcases full of cash and jumping on the first helicopter like Karzai. Even after discovering this whole thing was a setup Z’s decided to stick it out until the end instead of being another puppet in exile.

https://www.rt.com/news/550677-us-offer-evacuate-zelensky/
If true, highly noble.

However, since Russia rules the skies and Spetsnaz operatives are probably covertly watching his every move as we speak, his US imperial handlers know they can't smuggle him out any way.  Hence, Plan B would mostly likely mean to abandon their puppet to his fate.

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #270 on: February 25, 2022, 09:28:44 PM »
More media reporting that biden is pledging 365 million dollars tonight to use for immediate military assistance to Ukraine.

Umm....how da hell is he going to get this assistance to Ukraine?  The air traffic over Ukraine is non-existent and Russia is controlling the nearest airstrip to Kyiv, the capitol, which according to news reports will likely fall soon.

Kinda too late if you ask me.  But typical of our current inept administration.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #271 on: February 25, 2022, 09:42:10 PM »
More media reporting that biden is pledging 365 million dollars tonight to use for immediate military assistance to Ukraine.

Umm....how da hell is he going to get this assistance to Ukraine?  The air traffic over Ukraine is non-existent and Russia is controlling the nearest airstrip to Kyiv, the capitol, which according to news reports will likely fall soon.

Kinda too late if you ask me.  But typical of our current inept administration.
The real question is how much of that will be actually used vs. pocketed....

Chechyans staging. Shits about to get real. They not gonna play by the Russian soldier rules.

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hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #272 on: February 25, 2022, 11:50:53 PM »
More media reporting that biden is pledging 365 million dollars tonight to use for immediate military assistance to Ukraine.

Umm....how da hell is he going to get this assistance to Ukraine?  The air traffic over Ukraine is non-existent and Russia is controlling the nearest airstrip to Kyiv, the capitol, which according to news reports will likely fall soon.

Kinda too late if you ask me.  But typical of our current inept administration.


As the case in Afghanistan and the giant mountains of gear left behind it doesn’t matter where the stuff actually ends up, just as long as the contractors get paid for it.

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ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #273 on: February 25, 2022, 11:52:07 PM »
More media reporting that biden is pledging 365 million dollars tonight to use for immediate military assistance to Ukraine.

Umm....how da hell is he going to get this assistance to Ukraine?  The air traffic over Ukraine is non-existent and Russia is controlling the nearest airstrip to Kyiv, the capitol, which according to news reports will likely fall soon.

Kinda too late if you ask me.  But typical of our current inept administration.

$364,999,999 will go to his son Hunter for "services"
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DocMercy

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #274 on: February 26, 2022, 01:34:10 AM »
At this stage, there is no hope for Ukraine. No amount of rifle ammo is going to help much as this is modern warfare, not WW1. He who controls the skies will dominate. How do we get MPADs to front line soldiers? If you try any NATO country (such as Poland), the Russians will retaliate with an attack the borders of any sympathetic nation. All the talking heads on tv should start asking hard questions to experts like Gen. Keane and Gen. Petraeus. There are no simple answers no matter what any current or prior administration will tell you.
It is safer to say that all the former Soviet block countries should resort to more novel ways of war, including cyber, social media, and witchcraft. If a billion people wish for Putin to be dead, they may get their wish.



Until another superpower is willing to take on Russia, the age old vengeance cycles in eastern Europe against Russia will continue, resulting in subservience. I feel sympathy for Ukraine, but our home front has never been weaker. Russian SLBMs have marked JBPHH as one of their 5 top targets. Do not underestimate what a madman will do in time of war. Words to that effect were spoken by Kayleigh McEnany on Fox News. Of course, like a lot of talking heads and political pundits, she has nothing positive to offer, and is just an apologist for the previous do-nothing administration.

groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #275 on: February 26, 2022, 07:15:02 AM »
I have to say this Zelensky guy has a lot of heart. This is usually the moment where they are stuffing suitcases full of cash and jumping on the first helicopter like Karzai. Even after discovering this whole thing was a setup Z’s decided to stick it out until the end instead of being another puppet in exile.

https://www.rt.com/news/550677-us-offer-evacuate-zelensky/
This is what The Russians are up against.

https://twitter.com/peedutuisk/status/1497310882069581824

I'm sure Americans will do the same against a Tyranny, Like WA D.C., Blue cities, and
the Democrat party.
Ukrainians won't go down without a fight.  They remember the last time they cooperated
with the government, is was known as Holodomor.
 :wave:

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #276 on: February 26, 2022, 07:53:20 AM »
All the people who were screaming russia since 2015 are very silent. Guess they werent told what to think or say yet.

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aletheuo137

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #277 on: February 26, 2022, 08:20:38 AM »
Zelenskyy Thanks Turkey for 'Ban' on Russian Ships in Black Sea

https://www.newsmax.com/world/globaltalk/tayyip-erdogan-turkey-russian-warships/2022/02/26/id/1058625/

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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #278 on: February 26, 2022, 08:33:34 AM »
All the people who were screaming russia since 2015 are very silent. Guess they werent told what to think or say yet.
The US imperial propaganda machine is bombarding the World how Russia might have miscalculated in his actions towards Ukraine.  However, it is exactly the opposite.

First, let's make clear that Ukraine and all of its diverse ethnic population are unfortunately nothing but pawns in the greater European chessboard.  It is/was the US empire that miscalculated Russia and Putin's resolve to defend their borders against NATO expansion.  US imperial arrogance really thought that Putin would not risk military intervention and thought they could get Ukraine into NATO via their so-called democratic regime in Kiev that was installed after the US imperial-orchestrated Maidan revolution back in 2014. 

As it stands at this moment, the US empire's plans for Ukraine are totally over and can only respond with lame sanctions.  The only thing that EVERYONE needs to be worried about now is if some elements of the Power Okole decide to get militarily involved in Ukraine via some sort of false flag operation such as bombing their own NATO troops in the neighboring countries or having their contracted mercenaries in Ukraine continue to stage civilian atrocities and blame it on Putin, similar to what they tried to do to Assad in Syria.

Keep in mind that NATO's response force has been activated...

ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #279 on: February 26, 2022, 09:00:17 AM »
Putin is an Imperialist
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