Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 298998 times)

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #400 on: March 04, 2022, 10:30:04 AM »
Lindsey Graham: Russians Should Assassinate Putin

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/lindsey-graham-assassinate-vladimir-putin-violations/2022/03/04/id/1059624/

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It's almost like there are billions of dollars of military contracts on the line and his donors want him to destroy any hope of diplomatic relations in order to guarantee a revenue stream.

Pretty sure this is what is known as a Kleptocracy
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QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #401 on: March 04, 2022, 10:41:28 AM »
This is rhetorical right?

Yep.  Didn't realize it at the time, but you're right. ;D
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hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #402 on: March 04, 2022, 10:48:07 AM »
Yep.  Didn't realize it at the time, but you're right. ;D

It's also going to drive the price of everything through the roof, and as a result corporate executives can steal whatever we normal jaghoffs have left before flying off to their bunkers in NZ as the world collapses around us.
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changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #403 on: March 04, 2022, 11:21:01 AM »
This invasion has to be a rope a dope by Putin.  I mean it's pretty embarrassing so far.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #404 on: March 04, 2022, 12:54:32 PM »
  I mean it's pretty embarrassing so far.

You can say that again

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aletheuo137

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #405 on: March 04, 2022, 01:25:29 PM »
World War I

In 1914, the Great Powers were divided into two opposing alliances, the Triple Entente, consisting of France, Russia, and Britain, and the Triple Alliance, made up of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Italy. Tensions in the Balkans came to a head on 28 June 1914 following the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the Austro-Hungarian heir, by Gavrilo Princip, a Bosnian Serb. Austria-Hungary blamed Serbia and the interlocking alliances involved the Powers in a series of diplomatic exchanges known as the July Crisis. On 28 July, Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia; Russia came to Serbia's defence and by 4 August, the conflict had expanded to include Germany, France and Britain, along with their respective colonial empires. In November, the Ottoman Empire, Germany and Austria formed the Central Powers, while in April 1915, Italy joined Britain, France, Russia and Serbia as the Allied Powers.

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changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #406 on: March 04, 2022, 01:29:27 PM »
World War I

In 1914, the Great Powers were divided into two opposing alliances, the Triple Entente, consisting of France, Russia, and Britain, and the Triple Alliance, made up of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Italy. Tensions in the Balkans came to a head on 28 June 1914 following the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the Austro-Hungarian heir, by Gavrilo Princip, a Bosnian Serb. Austria-Hungary blamed Serbia and the interlocking alliances involved the Powers in a series of diplomatic exchanges known as the July Crisis. On 28 July, Austria-Hungary declared war on Serbia; Russia came to Serbia's defence and by 4 August, the conflict had expanded to include Germany, France and Britain, along with their respective colonial empires. In November, the Ottoman Empire, Germany and Austria formed the Central Powers, while in April 1915, Italy joined Britain, France, Russia and Serbia as the Allied Powers.

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This is 1 reason why when a politician is calling for an assassination of another countries leader is a dangerous thing to say.  It also would unite said country against who ever did the assassination. Which is why we never dropped the A-bomb on Tokyo that had the royal highness.  Capture is OK or remove from power, but to directly state to kill is not good.

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #407 on: March 04, 2022, 02:26:29 PM »
Yeah.  A remark like that coming from Lindsey Graham of all people....
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DocMercy

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #408 on: March 04, 2022, 03:01:38 PM »
The best two punchlines so far.

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The Ruble has turned to Rubble.

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The difference between a Dollar and the Ruble is . . . . a dollar.

changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #409 on: March 04, 2022, 08:40:02 PM »
More vids of refugees. Notice the diff between these and afgan "refugees".

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DocMercy

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #410 on: March 05, 2022, 09:34:07 AM »
Every day the Ukrainians last is another day of hope. They have an indigenous weapon called the Punisher, which I am sure other countries can manufacture for them. Can't wait for the model to be improved so it can target more devices on the battlefield. A radar killer would be a key breakthrough. Defense companies in the U.S. would con the DOD into paying $100K apiece for a super Punisher.

ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #411 on: March 05, 2022, 09:41:57 AM »
Every day the Ukrainians last is another day of hope. They have an indigenous weapon called the Punisher, which I am sure other countries can manufacture for them. Can't wait for the model to be improved so it can target more devices on the battlefield. A radar killer would be a key breakthrough. Defense companies in the U.S. would con the DOD into paying $100K apiece for a super Punisher.



Lots of questions on the capability of such a "drone" as shown in that video.
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hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #412 on: March 05, 2022, 10:40:40 AM »
With news this bad, no wonder they are using the possibility of nuclear war as a distraction.

The vaxxxed are 3x more likely to die of covid

https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/04/russia-distracts-uk-gov-reveal-vaccinated-more-likely-to-die-covid/

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groveler

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #413 on: March 05, 2022, 11:39:07 AM »
With news this bad, no wonder they are using the possibility of nuclear war as a distraction.

The vaxxxed are 3x more likely to die of covid

https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/04/russia-distracts-uk-gov-reveal-vaccinated-more-likely-to-die-covid/


Good one!
You also should post this over in political under the very LONG Covid thread.
 :thumbsup:

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #414 on: March 05, 2022, 05:15:20 PM »
I'm reading lots of articles about the discrimination that the refugees of "color" are experiencing when trying to cross the borders.  Most of these refugees are foreign students from India and African nations.

War is hell in many colors, shapes, and sizes.  It brings out the ugliness in humanity.  To say "we are only human" doesn't always warrant instant forgiveness.



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changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #415 on: March 05, 2022, 05:30:38 PM »
I'm reading lots of articles about the discrimination that the refugees of "color" are experiencing when trying to cross the borders.  Most of these refugees are foreign students from India and African nations.

War is hell in many colors, shapes, and sizes.  It brings out the ugliness in humanity.  To say "we are only human" doesn't always warrant instant forgiveness.
The jacked up part was the schools saying its ok, no need evac earlier.

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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #416 on: March 06, 2022, 07:28:07 AM »
With the desperate call by Zelensky for foreign mercenaries to fight his already lost war with Russia, if accurate, I can understand why below.


QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #417 on: March 06, 2022, 07:37:49 AM »
President Zelinsky continues his plea for NATO to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine.  And NATO and the US continue to say they will not do it due to concerns of escalation that could lead to World War.

What is surprising to me is that there is a poll out there that states 74% of Americans would like to see a no-fly zone implemented over Ukraine.  Not sure of the accuracy of this poll but if we were to assume that the poll is accurate it seems many Americans are willing to take a chance on this action.

But my concerns are this:

Isn't the majority of the damages due to shelling from Russian Artillery?

If so, whatever haphazard attempts by Russia to do an air campaign can be combated with the surface to air defense weapons that were given to Ukraine.  It also reduces errors of friendly fires from the ground since the majority of aircraft in the air would be considered hostile and engaged with more confidence. 

Fast moving aircraft, paired with the fact that both countries have pilots trained in aircraft that are identical will cause confusion and errors from combatants on the ground.  Another thing is that a lot of the soldiers in Ukraine are volunteer or reservists, and their training in surface to air weapons might be minimal or even non-existent.

But if Ukraine wants combat aircraft and NATO countries want to give them these weapons I hope they do get them.  But I still see the above scenarios happening and of course these things do happen in a War but because the aircrafts are identical I see it happening at a much higher scale.  Ukraine must have weighed the risks and are willing to accept them.

Lots of experts are baffled over why Russia, either by design or incompetence, did not establish air-superiority earlier in the conflict.  If fighter planes are given to Ukraine by NATO even that action would stir Russia to amp up the fight.

As far as US Aircraft over Ukraine enforcing the no-fly zone, that is a recipe for disaster and a pre-lude to World War 3.

Maybe the best action, as frustrating as it can be, would be to continue to offer aid in weapons, munitions, and humanitarian efforts, and the sanctions.



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changemyoil66

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #418 on: March 06, 2022, 08:11:55 AM »
President Zelinsky continues his plea for NATO to impose a no-fly zone over Ukraine.  And NATO and the US continue to say they will not do it due to concerns of escalation that could lead to World War.

What is surprising to me is that there is a poll out there that states 74% of Americans would like to see a no-fly zone implemented over Ukraine.  Not sure of the accuracy of this poll but if we were to assume that the poll is accurate it seems many Americans are willing to take a chance on this action.

But my concerns are this:

Isn't the majority of the damages due to shelling from Russian Artillery?

If so, whatever haphazard attempts by Russia to do an air campaign can be combated with the surface to air defense weapons that were given to Ukraine.  It also reduces errors of friendly fires from the ground since the majority of aircraft in the air would be considered hostile and engaged with more confidence. 

Fast moving aircraft, paired with the fact that both countries have pilots trained in aircraft that are identical will cause confusion and errors from combatants on the ground.  Another thing is that a lot of the soldiers in Ukraine are volunteer or reservists, and their training in surface to air weapons might be minimal or even non-existent.

But if Ukraine wants combat aircraft and NATO countries want to give them these weapons I hope they do get them.  But I still see the above scenarios happening and of course these things do happen in a War but because the aircrafts are identical I see it happening at a much higher scale.  Ukraine must have weighed the risks and are willing to accept them.

Lots of experts are baffled over why Russia, either by design or incompetence, did not establish air-superiority earlier in the conflict.  If fighter planes are given to Ukraine by NATO even that action would stir Russia to amp up the fight.

As far as US Aircraft over Ukraine enforcing the no-fly zone, that is a recipe for disaster and a pre-lude to World War 3.

Maybe the best action, as frustrating as it can be, would be to continue to offer aid in weapons, munitions, and humanitarian efforts, and the sanctions.
They learned from when the CIA equiped the taliban with stingers. Ukraine has similar man held SAMs. Epsecially in an urban environment (hit n run).

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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #419 on: March 06, 2022, 08:52:47 AM »
What is surprising to me is that there is a poll out there that states 74% of Americans would like to see a no-fly zone implemented over Ukraine.  Not sure of the accuracy of this poll but if we were to assume that the poll is accurate it seems many Americans are willing to take a chance on this action.
This goes to show two things.  First, US imperial propaganda is unparalleled on the planet.  Not Russia or China for that matter could ever convince their populace to get involved into a war that does not concern them, which could lead to WWIII.  Second, the poll results, if accurate, shows the lack of true critical thinking and common sense.  Getting into any kinetic action with a nuclear peer WILL lead to economic and financial Armageddon at the very least and nuclear holocaust at its worst.



Lots of experts are baffled over why Russia, either by design or incompetence, did not establish air-superiority earlier in the conflict.
If anyone really understood the Russian position, the lack of military progress in Ukraine is not due to incompetency, but because Russia does not seek to conquer Ukraine and only wants to ensure its national border security concerns against NATO expansion and to protect the ethnic Russian population in Ukraine against the Nazi elements in that country.  If Russia really wanted to conquer Ukraine, it would have carpet bombed them to rubble like how the US empire did in Afghanistan and Iraq.



Maybe the best action, as frustrating as it can be, would be to continue to offer aid in weapons, munitions, and humanitarian efforts, and the sanctions.
If the US empire / NATO would have given Russia their security guarantees and stopped the genocidal war against ethnic Russians within Ukraine, none of this would be necessary.