Ukraine vs. Russia (Read 360835 times)

QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #720 on: March 18, 2022, 01:50:08 PM »
Mercenaries that are also Tic Toc prima donnas.

Some background to the American mercenary speaker in the video above.


UKRAINE MAR. 17, 2022
The Beefing Boogaloo Boys of Ukraine
By Matt Stieb
(https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/american-military-volunteers-ukraine.html)

Henry Hoeft, a 28-year-old former U.S. Army infantryman and steelworker from a small town outside Columbus, Ohio, was compelled earlier this month to leave his young son to fight in Ukraine, where his father’s family has its roots. After fundraising online and saying his good-byes, Hoeft packed up some of the combat gear he used sporadically in recent years as a member of the boogaloo boys — the extremist, anti-government militia that rose to notoriety in 2020 — and took the route that has become common for the thousands of ex-military types attracted to the newly established Ukrainian foreign legion. Posting about his journey on TikTok and Instagram, he flew to Poland, crossed the border around March 9 with fellow Ohio boogaloo alum Mike Dunn, and joined an outfit accepting combat volunteers from abroad.

“I hope that the war will end tomorrow,” he told the Columbus Dispatch before leaving. “But I will be there for as long as it takes.” Dunn and Hoeft looked energized as they provided family members and thousands of followers with travel updates on social media. After arriving in Ukraine, they described suiting up with the Georgian National Legion (which, unlike some similar groups, does not require foreign fighters to sign indefinite contracts). But within the week, Hoeft had a different message: “People need to stop coming here.”

In a video posted to his Instagram Stories on March 15, Hoeft claimed that he was serving with the Georgian contingent in Ukraine when his base “got fucked up” and a number of foreign volunteers from the U.S. and Great Britain were killed. (A Russian Defense Ministry spokesman referred to military volunteers earlier this month as “mercenaries” who would not be “considered as combatants in accordance with international humanitarian law.”) Hoeft said that when a group of American, Canadian, and British volunteers refused an order to serve in Kyiv with “no fucking weapons” and partially filled magazines, they were told “to get the fuck out” of the brigade. Hoeft says he and two others then hid in the back of an ambulance trying to leave the country. At the border, they stripped off their military gear to pose as civilians when they heard customs officials were sending foreign-legion volunteers back to the front. “It’s a trap,” he said in a video recorded in Poland.

Hoeft’s message and his decision to bow out of the fight early appeared to create a rift between him and Dunn, the former leader of a boogaloo faction in Ohio called the Last Sons of Liberty. A former Marine who says his military career was shortened by a heart condition, Dunn told ProPublica last year that he was “willing to die in the streets” fighting the U.S. government. (Hoeft claims he ditched the Last Sons when the group “got all crazy.”) On his TikTok account, which has now been banned, Dunn pushed back on Hoeft’s claims, while other Georgian National Legion volunteers denied Hoeft’s allegations that they were threatened if they did not leave the unit.

Dunn said that after a supply run to Poland, he decided to join up with a new unit in Ukraine, and he remains “willing to give you my all.” But Hoeft disputed this account: He alleged in a since-deleted Instagram Story that Dunn was kicked out of the Georgian National Legion for his involvement with extremist groups in the U.S. and is now serving with a far-right contingent of the Ukrainian guard whose flag has been championed by white supremacists across the world.

Neither Hoeft nor Dunn responded to requests for comment. The U.S. State Department advises that American citizens should not travel to Ukraine.


Gotta admit, Ukrainians going to Kyiv with partially filled magazines got balls the size of Mt. Everest.  More than most foreign mercenaries can handle I guess.

That guy was lucky the Georgian National Legion didn't require signing indefinite contracts.  And what did he say?  Something about he will be there as long as it takes.

After a week he wants out.  Reminds me of the school kid who takes his ball and goes home when things don't go his way.

Ukrainians facing down a superior enemy with partially filled magazines and homemade molotov cocktails got my respect.

Like I said, this guy and the others with him were very lucky that all the Georgian National Legion told them was to get the fuck out of here.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #721 on: March 18, 2022, 02:05:43 PM »
Mercenaries that are also Tic Toc prima donnas.

Gotta admit, Ukrainians going to Kyiv with partially filled magazines got balls the size of Mt. Everest.  More than most foreign mercenaries can handle I guess.

That guy was lucky the Georgian National Legion didn't require signing indefinite contracts.  And what did he say?  Something about he will be there as long as it takes.

After a week he wants out.  Reminds me of the school kid who takes his ball and goes home when things don't go his way.

Ukrainians facing down a superior enemy with partially filled magazines and homemade molotov cocktails got my respect.

Like I said, this guy and the others with him were very lucky that all the Georgian National Legion told them was to get the fuck out of here.

I question the use of the term "mercenary" in the context of the story.

Mercenaries are about getting paid, and paid well.  I haven't researched, but is Ukraine offering lucrative salaries for the foreigners wanting to fight?  If not, then as with the guy in this story, they have reasons other than money to fight there.  His was because his father's roots are there.

I think foreign national volunteer better describes this over mercenary.  Just my opinion.

The French Foreign Legion (FFL) not only required its members to commit to a certain number of years (I've seen 5 yrs mentioned), but just like the regular service, they used to shoot you on the spot or execute you later if you desert.  I seriously doubt if that's still done.  The FFL has one of the highest desertion rates of any major military organization.  Killing deserters would be a huge problem for most human rights groups.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

aletheuo137

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #722 on: March 18, 2022, 02:09:08 PM »
Ukrainians got secret CIA training after Russia’s Crimea invasion in 2014: report

https://nypost.com/2022/03/16/ukrainians-got-secret-cia-training-after-russias-crimea-invasion/

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Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #723 on: March 18, 2022, 02:56:08 PM »
Ukrainians got secret CIA training after Russia’s Crimea invasion in 2014: report

https://nypost.com/2022/03/16/ukrainians-got-secret-cia-training-after-russias-crimea-invasion/
Is it really a surprise?

As I as well as many others, who refused to accept US imperial propaganda regarding the war in Ukraine, have asserted that it was and is the US empire that has most to blame for the current death and destruction in that country.  Yes, Russa is not innocent at all and is responsible for the direct kinetic action, but the current fiasco all started with the CIA-backed coup that installed a pro-US imperial regime in Kiev that was bent on ethnic cleansing their Russian speaking population, incorporating Ukraine into the Western sphere, and eventually attaining NATO membership.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #724 on: March 18, 2022, 03:31:52 PM »
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

aletheuo137

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #725 on: March 18, 2022, 03:37:43 PM »
Imperial Margarine commercial



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aletheuo137

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #726 on: March 18, 2022, 04:22:09 PM »
Already, more than 40,000 Syrians have reportedly registered to fight alongside Russia, which is said to be offering hundreds of U.S. dollars a month to volunteers.

https://worldisraelnews.com/syria-sending-40000-fighters-to-help-russians-fight-ukraine/

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macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #727 on: March 18, 2022, 04:48:40 PM »
funny how the side that has wiped out the other side's military infrastructure and is not going to attack because they are trying to negotiate a settlement needs volunteers from at least three different areas
and is also calling up their own forces from the pacific...

Already, more than 40,000 Syrians have reportedly registered to fight alongside Russia, which is said to be offering hundreds of U.S. dollars a month to volunteers.

https://worldisraelnews.com/syria-sending-40000-fighters-to-help-russians-fight-ukraine/

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QUIETShooter

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #728 on: March 18, 2022, 05:06:53 PM »
To me it seems that with all these foreign fighters from various countries volunteering to fight for either side plus western NATO countries (U.S included) shipping weapons to aid Ukraine and Russia asking their sweetheart China to provide them weapons.

Sanctions from all over the world raining down on Russia and now biden is threatening China on consequences if they aid Russia in the current conflict.

All of this sh*t happening seems like we are already in WW3.  Only difference is America's sons and daughters haven't been shipped to slaughter yet.

Lines are being drawn in the sand.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #729 on: March 18, 2022, 07:00:30 PM »
funny how the side that has wiped out the other side's military infrastructure and is not going to attack because they are trying to negotiate a settlement needs volunteers from at least three different areas
and is also calling up their own forces from the pacific...

Something to consider is that Russia's military style is not like the Blitzkrieg Bop that we borrowed from the Germans. They like to surround and squeeze like a Python (or bear hug?).

To us it looks like they are going super slow but in their mind they are probably just getting started.
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

hvybarrels

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #730 on: March 18, 2022, 07:02:21 PM »
All of this sh*t happening seems like we are already in WW3.  Only difference is America's sons and daughters haven't been shipped to slaughter yet.

Lines are being drawn in the sand.

Make no mistake we are at war with Russia right now, and even though the Brandon admin doesn't want it to go hot they are all a bunch of screw ups who never do anything right.
If you dissolve your enemies in acid, technically that's turning your problems into a solution.

mrgaf

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #731 on: March 18, 2022, 07:22:40 PM »
To argue with a person who has renounced the use of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.  Thomas Paine.

No man can get rich in politics unless he is a crook.  It cannot be done. Harry Truman

Only good liberal is one taking a dirt nap.

macsak

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #732 on: March 18, 2022, 08:00:00 PM »
US imperialist media propaganda

ren

Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #734 on: March 18, 2022, 08:54:16 PM »
Already, more than 40,000 Syrians have reportedly registered to fight alongside Russia, which is said to be offering hundreds of U.S. dollars a month to volunteers.

https://worldisraelnews.com/syria-sending-40000-fighters-to-help-russians-fight-ukraine/
If true, definitely we are galvanizing towards WWIII.

 

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #735 on: March 18, 2022, 09:09:36 PM »
https://amgreatness.com/2022/03/14/the-architects-of-our-present-disaster/
Excellent article as it echoes essentially what many living in the West, who have not fallen to the anti-Russian propaganda, understand as the origins of the current conflict in Ukraine and WHO was responsible. 

"The American empire is buckling under its own contradictions."

Once more, the first sentence of the article's final paragraph above sums it up for the American populace.  I am glad the article's author, Benjamin Braddock, tells it like it is.

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #736 on: March 18, 2022, 09:14:33 PM »
To me it seems that with all these foreign fighters from various countries volunteering to fight for either side plus western NATO countries (U.S included) shipping weapons to aid Ukraine and Russia asking their sweetheart China to provide them weapons.

Sanctions from all over the world raining down on Russia and now biden is threatening China on consequences if they aid Russia in the current conflict.

All of this sh*t happening seems like we are already in WW3.  Only difference is America's sons and daughters haven't been shipped to slaughter yet.

Lines are being drawn in the sand.
Unless the American populace can snap out of the US imperial mantra, "Russia is bad; Trump, Putin, & Xi are evil; and China is next on the hit list", and voice their support to a peaceful settlement to the Ukrainian conflict, instead of more sanctions and military aid, it is just a matter of time before the real war and mass dying begins.

ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #737 on: March 18, 2022, 10:03:45 PM »
Excellent article as it echoes essentially what many living in the West, who have not fallen to the anti-Russian propaganda, understand as the origins of the current conflict in Ukraine and WHO was responsible. 

"The American empire is buckling under its own contradictions."

Once more, the first sentence of the article's final paragraph above sums it up for the American populace.  I am glad the article's author, Benjamin Braddock, tells it like it is.

And no mention of "imperial"
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #738 on: March 18, 2022, 10:14:43 PM »
And no mention of "imperial"
The word "empire" is a noun that refers to a group of states belonging to a singular wanted or unwanted political authority.

The word "imperial" is an adjective that refers to belonging or relating to an empire.   

Hence, both are used in the same context.  For example, if we are referring to the US empire, all official laws, branches of government, the military, propaganda, etc. are all considered imperial to that empire.

ren

Re: Ukraine vs. Russia
« Reply #739 on: March 18, 2022, 10:22:53 PM »
Deeds Not Words